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Post by George Carlin Sun 04 Oct 2015, 9:06 am

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SCOTLAND V SAMOA
10 October 2015
KO: 14:30 BST
St. James' Park, Newcastle

Live on ITV

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Touch judges: JP Doyle (England) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

9 Played 9
7 Won 1
1 Drawn 1
1 Lost 7
218 Points 122

B. Recent Form

8 June 2013
Mr Price Kings Park, Durban, South Africa
27 – 17 Samoa

23 June 2012
Apia Park, Apia
16 – 17 Scotland

27 November 2010
Pittodire, Aberdeen
19 – 16 Scotland

20 November 2005
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
18 – 11 Scotland

4 June 2004
Westpac Stadium, Wellington, New Zealand
3 – 38 Scotland

18 November 2000
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
31 – 8 Scotland

C. Teams

SCOTLAND
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15 Stuart Hogg 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw (capt); 1 Alasdair Dickinson, 2 Ross Ford, 3 Willem Nel, 4 Richie Gray, 5 Jonny Gray, 6 Ryan Wilson, 7 John Hardie, 8 David Denton.

Replacements: 16 Fraser Brown, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Josh Strauss, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Peter Horne, 23 Sean Lamont.

SAMOA
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15 Tim Nanai-Williams, 14 Paul Perez, 13 George Pisi, 12 Rey Lee-Lo, 11 Fa'atoina Autagavaia, 10 Tusi Pisi, 9 Kahn Fotuali'i (c); 1 Sakaria Taulafo, 2 Ma'atulimanu Leiataua, 3 Census Johnston, 4 Teofilo Paulo, 5 Kane Thompson, 6 Maurie Faasavalu, 7 Jack Lam, 8 Alafoti Faosiliva.

Replacements: 16 Motu Matu'u, 17 Viliamu Afatia, 18 Anthony Perenise, 19 Faifili Levave, 20 Vavae Tuilagi, 21 Vavao Afemai, 22 Patrick Faapale, 23 Ken Pisi.


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Post by wales606 Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:08 pm

Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

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You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.
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Post by eirebilly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:08 pm

Wilson is so stupid there but when will ref's also punish the a-holes that hold on...

Not the first time Samoa have done that in the match.
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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:09 pm

Very lucky boy. Could easily have been red.

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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:09 pm

Yellow.  

But how come none of these ref seem to be able to see what's happening on the screen replays for themselves?


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Post by George Carlin Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:11 pm

Hardie has been brilliant today.
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Post by Guest Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:11 pm

Nice try, Scotland.

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Post by Eejit Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:13 pm

Great try. Hardie played really well so far.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:13 pm

Hardie the complete opposite player to Wilson
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Post by kingraf Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:14 pm


Anytime the Scots have been near the Samoan tryline, they've come back with points. That probably explains "where Samoa has been"
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Post by Eejit Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:15 pm

Tackling optional.

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Post by whocares Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:15 pm

Like that samoan number 12. Great game... for a neutral...

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Post by Cyril Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:15 pm

Another Samoan try!

Scotland have absolutely no answer to Samoa in open play.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Bonus point try in the first half. who would of thought that be fore the game started?

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Unbelievable attacking play. Where has this Samoan been all tournament?

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Post by jimbopip Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Is Matt Scott12 still concussed? He genuinely seems not to know where he is in the defensive line.
I'm not joking I am concerned for him.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

TMO - bugger off!

One detriment to this entertaining game.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

I've had to start a new account as the facebook button doesn't seem to be there for me today nonetheless Wilson is bloody awful and a nutcase, is he unaware of the existence of cameras in general.

Also I suspect I will get lynched for saying this and I don't like saying it but we're looking for a captain who is near the pack, likely to start most games and is actually quite good. Well in the run up to the try I saw John Hardie's ugly mug barking orders and I think I've seen our captain.

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Post by Cyril Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Disallowed Sad

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Post by wales606 Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

whocares wrote:Like that samoan number 12. Great game... for a neutral...

He has looked average so far this world cup (like the rest of the Samoans), but has been excellent today,

I've been paying attention because he is joining the Blues after today Very Happy
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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:17 pm

The TMOs are eagle eyed for the 'minnows'.....

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Post by kingraf Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:17 pm

Rugby players have proven beyond doubt that they aren't particularly bright this world cup
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Post by bsando Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:17 pm

Stop cheating samoa!

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Post by Cyril Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:18 pm

Could be the game of the tournament this one.

I've no idea how Scotland are still in it but fair play to them for hanging in there!

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Post by RDW Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:19 pm

Great cover tackle by Ford

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Post by eirebilly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:19 pm

wales606 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

laughing

You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.

What annoys me is that the Samoan goes unpunished for deliberate foul play. If a yellow card is to be shown to the Scottish player then one has to be shown to the Samoan. Conversely, if the Samoan is going to do that then he also expects some retaliation so no penalty or cards...
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Post by Nematode Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:19 pm

Samoa do like holding us back after the tackle/ruck. But great back play from them.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:19 pm

Apparently Ross Ford just learnt how to sprint for the first time since the 2012 Calcutta cup game

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Post by carpet baboon Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:21 pm

Did I hear right that Hardie dosent have a club ? Can ulster have him please.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:21 pm

eirebilly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

laughing

You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.

What annoys me is that the Samoan goes unpunished for deliberate foul play. If a yellow card is to be shown to the Scottish player then one has to be shown to the Samoan. Conversely, if the Samoan is going to do that then he also expects some retaliation so no penalty or cards...

I don't think so as an international rugby player as soon as that happens you have to scream and shout to the ref to get the penalty, not stamp.

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Post by whocares Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:22 pm

wales606 wrote:
whocares wrote:Like that samoan number 12. Great game... for a neutral...

He has looked average so far this world cup (like the rest of the Samoans), but has been excellent today,

I've been paying attention because he is joining the Blues after today Very Happy

Good man Wales606. toulouse also picking up a samoan to replace Huget (Perez) .

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:22 pm

If only Samoa had discipline they'd be a great team.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:23 pm

Perez is a great signing for Toulose. Samoan fans have been asking for him to start ahead of Tuilagi all tournament. Brilliant player.

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Post by Nematode Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:23 pm

If we can get the restarts and play some controlled rugby in their territory we can edge it. If we continue like this then we'll lose.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:23 pm

Both sides apparently very happy to shun kickable penalties...
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Post by glamorganalun Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:24 pm

Good game so far not sure how Scotland are still in the game, Samoa giving away too many needless penalties. Second half could favour Scotland as Samoa tend to run out of steam.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:24 pm

123456789. wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

laughing

You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.

What annoys me is that the Samoan goes unpunished for deliberate foul play. If a yellow card is to be shown to the Scottish player then one has to be shown to the Samoan. Conversely, if the Samoan is going to do that then he also expects some retaliation so no penalty or cards...

I don't think so as an international rugby player as soon as that happens you have to scream and shout to the ref to get the penalty, not stamp.

I hate players screaming at the ref's for penalties. Ok, he stamped and that is wrong but why not look at the Samoan as well and send him for 10 for deliberate foul play?
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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:25 pm

123456789. wrote:Apparently Ross Ford just learnt how to sprint for the first time since the 2012 Calcutta cup game

It's amazing what fear does...

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:25 pm

Cancel that try cancelld. But really Samoa showing what they could/should of done be fore this game.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:26 pm

We need Vern to work his magic again, bring Strauss on for Wilson, and dare I say it even Shlong on for Scott, Horne's too lightweight to go into the midfield against these guys.

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Post by Nematode Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:26 pm

Re Wilson yellow, it should be the same punishment for both. If the decision that was made continues it only encourages teams to hold on more.


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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:27 pm

glamorganalun wrote:Good game so far not sure how Scotland are still in the game, Samoa giving away too many needless penalties. Second half could favour Scotland as Samoa tend to run out of steam.
Not to sure Samoa will be the ones to run out of steam. They all play of have played with top clubs around the world and love this type of game. It's the maul that could be the beating of them though.

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Post by Nematode Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:27 pm

Tbh I think Horne would be a better option. We need brains more than brawn to deal with the Samoan backs.

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Post by wales606 Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:27 pm

eirebilly wrote:
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eirebilly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

laughing

You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.

What annoys me is that the Samoan goes unpunished for deliberate foul play. If a yellow card is to be shown to the Scottish player then one has to be shown to the Samoan. Conversely, if the Samoan is going to do that then he also expects some retaliation so no penalty or cards...

I don't think so as an international rugby player as soon as that happens you have to scream and shout to the ref to get the penalty, not stamp.

I hate players screaming at the ref's for penalties. Ok, he stamped and that is wrong but why not look at the Samoan as well and send him for 10 for deliberate foul play?

Because holding onto a player for a second isn't a yellow card offensive, it is a penalty. So the stamp is effectively a reversed penalty and yellow card. Every player knows that is what will happen if they stamp on an opposition player.
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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:27 pm

eirebilly wrote:
123456789. wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
wales606 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Definitely not a yellow. Ridiculous call - it's a contact sport, that was just a tap!

laughing

You are deluded if you really think that wasn't a card.

What annoys me is that the Samoan goes unpunished for deliberate foul play. If a yellow card is to be shown to the Scottish player then one has to be shown to the Samoan. Conversely, if the Samoan is going to do that then he also expects some retaliation so no penalty or cards...

I don't think so as an international rugby player as soon as that happens you have to scream and shout to the ref to get the penalty, not stamp.

I hate players screaming at the ref's for penalties. Ok, he stamped and that is wrong but why not look at the Samoan as well and send him for 10 for deliberate foul play?

Because simply put his rule breach did not warrant a yellow card, Wilson's stamp did. You can't upgrade the Samoan's actions to the retaliation.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:29 pm

If we can somehow grab a few early points, a try or a penalty and then just take the sting out.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:30 pm

I understand the Samoan's holding didn't warrant a penalty or yellow card and the stamp did by the letter of the law but what that incident effectively achieved was Samoa getting an advantage from deliberate foul play. No punishment in that instance simply encourages the Samoans to continue it.
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Post by VinceWLB Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:30 pm

Jaco Peiper and TMO keeping Scotland in the game so far.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:33 pm

What you need (and people won't like this) is the TMO getting involved and calling for the penalty. Every single time (or at least advantage and a warning). Then you can yellow for repeated infringement if it carries on. But you need to apply that to hands in the ruck, not releasing and all the multitude of things players from all teams do to cheat to an advantage.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:35 pm

I have no intention of defending Wilson.

He had no idea where he was standing. If he'd stood on his face, that would have been red and that would probably have been the game.

Expect him to get hooked for Strauss pretty soon. I expect our fitness to hold and for us to calm the hell down. Hoping for a strong second half.
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 3:36 pm

eirebilly wrote:I understand the Samoan's holding didn't warrant a penalty or yellow card and the stamp did by the letter of the law but what that incident effectively achieved was Samoa getting an advantage from deliberate foul play. No punishment in that instance simply encourages the Samoans to continue it.
eh, no because if Wilson hadn't stamped then it would have been a penalty to Scotland (if the ref had seen it of course). Why is this so confising to people? It's a very simple situation which was delt perfectly by the ref/TMO.

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