Harlequins 15/16 Thread

by yappysnap Mon 12 Oct - 12:48

First topic message reminder :

Our squad (pinched from CAW):

HARLEQUINS Senior Squad

Name DoB Position Contract
Rob Buchanan (13/05/91) Hooker 2015/16
Joe Gray (05/08/88) Hooker 2015/16
Dave Ward (21/05/85) Hooker 2015/16

Will Collier (05/05/91) TH Prop 2017/18
Adam Jones (08/03/81) TH prop 2015/16
Matt Shields (12/02/91) TH Prop 2015/16
Kyle Sinckler (30/03/93) TH Prop 2016/17

Owen Evans (19/02/89) LH Prop
Mark Lambert (19/02/85) LH Prop 2016/17
Joe Marler (07/07/90) LH Prop 2015/16

James Horwill (29/05/85) Lock 2017/18
Charlie Matthews (23/07/91) Lock 2015/16
George Merrick (04/10/92) Lock 2016/17
Sam Twomey (09/05/92) Lock 2015/16

Jack Clifford (12/02/93) Flanker/No. 8 2015/16
Chris Robshaw (04/06/86) Flanker 2015/16
Luke Wallace (02/10/90) Flanker 2016/17

Nick Easter (15/08/78) Number 8 2016/17
Mathew Luamanu (04/03/88) Number 8 ?
Netani Talei (19/03/83) Number 8 ?

Danny Care (02/01/87) Scrum-half 2015/16
Karl Dickson (02/08/82) Scrum-half 2016/17
Tito Tebaldi (23/09/87) Scrum-half ?

Ben Botica (07/10/89) Fly-half 2016/17
Nick Evans (14/08/80) Fly-half 2015/16
Tim Swiel (04/06/93) Fly-half ?

Matt Hopper (29/01/85) Centre 2016/17
George Lowe (22/10/89) Centre 2015/16
Jamie Roberts (08/11/86) Centre ?
Harry Sloan (16/06/94) Centre 2015/16
Winston Stanley (11/02/89) Centre ?

Ollie Lindsay-Hague (08/10/90) Wing/Fullback ?
Tim Visser (29/05/87) Winger ?
harlie Walker (23/12/92) Winger 2016/17
Marland Yarde (20/04/92) Winger 2015/16

Mike Brown (04/09/85) Fullback 2015/16
Ross Chisholm (19/10/90) Fullback 2016/17

A very strong looking squad, with a lot of internationals and experience to help the youngsters coming in. Fingers crossed but this season may be a good one for the men in quarters.

COYQ's!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 9 Jan - 18:59

Guys, that was incredible! Now we have Cardiff at home (should win, aim for TBP maybe), Montpelier away (if there's nothing to play for, I can't see them that up for it plus we love to play French sides), then a struggling Falcons away, stale looking Saints at home, then Gloucester away (which is a tricky one for us, but we should really be aiming to win it)

After that it's a very very hard run with Tigers at home, away to Wasps and Sale, but if we get the momentum up from the games leading it to these, it should be a very exciting midseason and I have trust in us.

by yappysnap Sat 9 Jan - 20:23

Yes it's an exciting time, next week is key. Win next week and build on this momentum and I think we'll go from strength to strength. Lose next week and it'll set us back.

England call ups and Nev being fit will play a big part as well!

by ChequeredJersey Sat 9 Jan - 20:41

Think we would rest Nev the next few matches anyway, Botica proved me wrong today, and Swiel is there too

by mikey_dragon Sat 9 Jan - 20:45

I thought you were all being delusional when you thought you could beat Saracens! Congratulations on the win. Why did Gill get a red card?

by ChequeredJersey Sat 9 Jan - 22:19

mikey_dragon wrote:I thought you were all being delusional when you thought you could beat Saracens! Congratulations on the win. Why did Gill get a red card?

He and Du Plessis speartackled Lowe quite badly, and Gil took all the blame as he was the main tackler

by yappysnap Sun 10 Jan - 7:46

Cheers Mikey, I think we were all expecting to be a little delusional, amazing result

by nathan Sun 10 Jan - 9:37

I like quins Very Happy

by yappysnap Sun 10 Jan - 10:35

I think a lot of people like Quins after that result

by sad_gimp Sun 10 Jan - 12:47

Just watched the game, great effort, great game. Some quality back row play on display.

I notice CAW is still mostly ref-talk and salary cap moaning....I don't know anyone can frequent that place without wanting to off themselves.

I think we're definitely playoff material, now to secure that home semi-final Smile

by yappysnap Sun 10 Jan - 13:48

CAW is an odd place, the fans on there never seem happier unless they're moaning.

There's a few posts congratulating a great win, then just a shed load of complaints, strange people.

by Poorfour Sun 10 Jan - 14:55

CAW is actually very positive today. There are even threads where people withdraw negative opinions on Botica and Matthews (regular candidates for slating).

They struggle to be phlegmatic about losses, but on the whole I find it pretty bearable.

by ChequeredJersey Sun 10 Jan - 15:31

There's a few on there that make it less bearable, obsessed with the cap etc

I thought the ref was too easily influenced (luckily for the red...) but he's inexperienced and I'm sure that will come

by Poorfour Sun 10 Jan - 16:38

ChequeredJersey wrote:There's a few on there that make it less bearable, obsessed with the cap etc

I thought the ref was too easily influenced (luckily for the red...) but he's inexperienced and I'm sure that will come

I don't think he was influenced by the crowd. For the red, it looked like Assistant Ref Ashley Rowden (who I understand is an assessor) asked him to look again. Certainly he was standing by the screen when Sir came over to review it.

by ChequeredJersey Sun 10 Jan - 20:23

TCan't complain about the red, would have been miffed if Gill were allowed back on

by yappysnap Sun 10 Jan - 21:11

Any news on Nev gents? Did he go off injured or just subbed?

Also the ITV highlights programme mentioned Yarde was injured, is this true?

by ChequeredJersey Sun 10 Jan - 22:52

He was injured, ankle knock I think, hopefully not out for long but would start Bots and Swiel in Europe anyway, Nev can't play every week!

by Poorfour Mon 11 Jan - 7:46

Nev was reportedly walking around without difficulty afterwards. No word of Yarde being injured and he played the full 80, so I think Flats just got Yarde and Wade confused... He is a former prop, after all

by propdavid_london Mon 11 Jan - 15:19

I think that Flats was probably thinking about Nowell instead of Yarde.

Seen the highlights - great result for Quins, just need to keep the momentum up.
Great news on Sloan re-signing - should learn a lot from Roberts and still get plenty of oportunity during international windows.

by ChequeredJersey Mon 11 Jan - 15:30

Sloan has looked top notch this season so far. I'm really happy with our depth. Even after Sloan, Roberts and Lowe, we have Hopper (who was first choice the last 2 seasons), powerful Stanley, and Marchant is a really good young prospect too!

by propdavid_london Tue 12 Jan - 9:25

Ward is being cited for Biting!
And Horwell too for the challenge on Kruis.

by sad_gimp Tue 12 Jan - 11:10

Ward charged with biting????

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/35285384

by mikey_dragon Tue 12 Jan - 12:13

How did Adam Jones go in the games against Sarries? I think he went backwards at Blues which is no surprise as that team had been on a downwards spiral for years. I guess he's improved a bit since then because he seems a bit of a regular in the Quins team. He's had some tough times in his career so if he's doing well now then I'm happy for him.

by sad_gimp Tue 12 Jan - 12:54

Our scrum has definitely improved with Jones, main thing is he can be teaching our youngsters like Sinckler some tricks.

Marler is still struggling a bit with staying straight, although from I've seen oppos are trying to turn him in to make life difficult.

I hope Horwill doesn't get a ban, it didn't look malicious, seemed like he put his arms out braced to hit the tackle and Kruis was falling downwards and it was just an unfortunate collision. Combination of him heading for the tackle and Kruis falling away from it making the collision rather than a swinging arm.

by yappysnap Tue 12 Jan - 13:40

It seems like it's just me that thinks Horwills swinging arm was on purpose. I'm sure he didn't mean to knock Kruis out, but the angle he comes in at with it and the height of his arm at Impact don't look accidental.

I expect 2-4 weeks for Horwill

Ward is a strange one, I've watched the game and there's no evidence at the time. So it'll be interesting to see what evidence Sarries have now. Also the last time I remember a bite occurring it's because the "victims" fingers were in places they shouldn't be and easily bite able...

by sad_gimp Tue 12 Jan - 13:54

I guess the only person that knows is Horwill, do we find out today?

As an aside, I've been very impressed with Care's captaincy so far, seems to have a good rapport with the refs going and hasn't betrayed any frustrations on the pitch. The armband seems to be suiting him well.

by LordDowlais Tue 12 Jan - 16:43

Mike Brown what a credit to the game he is, here he is clapping the red card for Rhys Gill:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+brown+clapping+red+card+images+rugby&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia-bmd26TKAhWJ0xQKHTzaDkwQsAQIKA#imgrc=b1GV5bNqvN_0AM%3A

Football antics are ruining rugby, this kid is truly special ain't he ?

by yappysnap Tue 12 Jan - 17:11

Or he's pleased that the correct decision was made in the heat of the moment.

Of course some "fans" will go out of their way to look for any excuse to score points and get a dig in.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 12 Jan - 17:43

LordDowlais wrote:Mike Brown what a credit to the game he is, here he is clapping the red card for Rhys Gill:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+brown+clapping+red+card+images+rugby&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia-bmd26TKAhWJ0xQKHTzaDkwQsAQIKA#imgrc=b1GV5bNqvN_0AM%3A

Football antics are ruining rugby, this kid is truly special ain't he ?

Think passions were running a tough hgh because it was Lowe who was spear tackled. The player who is lucky to be playing after a long time out with a serous neck injury?

by ChequeredJersey Tue 12 Jan - 17:45

J
I agree it's not classy but I'd take that over spear tackles

by mikey_dragon Tue 12 Jan - 18:01

LordDowlais wrote:Mike Brown what a credit to the game he is, here he is clapping the red card for Rhys Gill:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+brown+clapping+red+card+images+rugby&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia-bmd26TKAhWJ0xQKHTzaDkwQsAQIKA#imgrc=b1GV5bNqvN_0AM%3A

Football antics are ruining rugby, this kid is truly special ain't he ?

Geordie Falcon must not have seen your post yet as usually he'd come running to Mike Brown's rescue Whistle

by **LondonTiger** Tue 12 Jan - 18:01

yappysnap wrote:It seems like it's just me that thinks Horwills swinging arm was on purpose. I'm sure he didn't mean to knock Kruis out, but the angle he comes in at with it and the height of his arm at Impact don't look accidental.

Only just seen the incident. My gut feel is that Horwill knows exactly what he is doing with his arm, but is trying to make it look accidental. Otherwise he was hitting the maul far too upright - as without the swinging arm he would have been in a godawful position.

Difficult to prove without a shadow of doubt, but not being a court of law the evidence does not need to be quite so conclusive.

by nathan Tue 12 Jan - 18:30

LordDowlais wrote:Mike Brown what a credit to the game he is, here he is clapping the red card for Rhys Gill:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+brown+clapping+red+card+images+rugby&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia-bmd26TKAhWJ0xQKHTzaDkwQsAQIKA#imgrc=b1GV5bNqvN_0AM%3A

Football antics are ruining rugby, this kid is truly special ain't he ?

You actually spent time to google for that image?

And you have the cheek to call him special! Laugh

by Poorfour Wed 13 Jan - 0:36

[quote="LordDowlais"]Mike Brown what a credit to the game he is, here he is clapping the red card for Rhys Gill:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+brown+clapping+red+card+images+rugby&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia-bmd26TKAhWJ0xQKHTzaDkwQsAQIKA#imgrc=b1GV5bNqvN_0AM%3A

Football antics are ruining rugby, this kid is truly special ain't he ?[/quote]

A little context might be appropriate here. He's just seen someone he's played alongside since they were kids and who has just returned after nearly two years off with a nearly career ending neck injury speared onto his head by two opposition players. The ref initially awarded a yellow but has reviewed the tape and increased it to red.

I applauded that decision - which the citing panel has supported - and I can totally understand why Brown responded that way. It wasn't the.cynical response that I gather you.see in soccer but more likely a genuine spontaneous reaction to seeing justice done.

I found it, for instance, much less offensive than a player taking the ball away after the opposition have been awarded a penalty, or the behaviour.of the lady sat behind me at the RWC, whose vocabulary consisted entirely of 'Wales!' screeched at ear-splitting volume and who.went on to topple over on top of me and spill her pint down my back.

I've watched Brown for over a decade now and just don't get why he gets this negative reaction from people . He's feisty and doesn't back down, but.his disciplinary record shows that he doesn't cross the line. He's far less likely to fly off the handle than Hartley or Farrell for instance.

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 1:11

I don't really give a damn what anyone else's fans think of Mike Brown. I know for sure I'd rather have him playing for my team yhat against them and I think his conduct is abrasive, and I can see why it winds some people up, but fine and wish all our players had his passion

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 1:39

CAW mentioned Cipriani to Quins rumour starting again? Would not say no!

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 1:42

On the basis that Conor can hopefully reign him in. Was he found guilty of drink driving in the end? :/

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 1:55

Rumoured England side still gives us a team like this in 6N:

Swiel (OLH when fit too)
Walker (Visser when fit)
Lowe (Hopper, Marchant)
Sloan (Stanley)
Chisholm
Evans (Botica)
Dickson (Tebaldi)
Easter
Wallace (Ward)
Luamanu (I hope, also Robinson, White, Treadwell)
Horwill (Merrick)
Matthews (Twomey when fit)
Jones (Sinckler and Collier hopefully fit soon)
Buchanan (Ward and Gray)
Currently not so good, but hoping Evans and Lambert fit soon! Also Seb

We may well lose Wallace and a hooker at least for the Saxons (query a winger or Lowe I suppose too, query Matthews as well, but not likely all of them) so it's only 7 I'm a bit worried about as Ward would be our 7 cover and he's likely to either be needed at hooker, covering hooker or called to Saxons! Can Robinson play 7 well enough?

by **George Carlin** Wed 13 Jan - 7:51

https://www.606v2.com/t61817-challenge-cup-round-3-harlequins-v-cardiff-blues-17-january

by yappysnap Wed 13 Jan - 9:01

ChequeredJersey wrote:On the basis that Conor can hopefully reign him in. Was he found guilty of drink driving in the end? :/

Him and Danny can start a club.

Cipriani would be s brilliant signing, he's very Nev like in his skillset and deceptive speed. If not as good atm.

by sad_gimp Wed 13 Jan - 10:04

I'd take Cipriani like a shot, best EQ 10 imo, and would suit our game. I suspect he'd play his way into an England shirt pretty quick in our squad though (no offence Sale).

by sad_gimp Wed 13 Jan - 10:05

Quins hooker Dave Ward and lock James Horwill were cleared of acts contrary to good sportsmanship and striking or punching respectively.

Good

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 10:13

mid_gen wrote:I'd take Cipriani like a shot, best EQ 10 imo, and would suit our game. I suspect he'd play his way into an England shirt pretty quick in our squad though (no offence Sale).

That's the suggested reason he might be interested

by Blueschief Wed 13 Jan - 13:11

I quite like Brown, if you cut him he bleeds England. Every team needs players like that, what with all the so called mercenaries all international sides have.To be honest when I see him on the England team sheet v Wales I groan, he can turn a game around with one blitzing run.

by **rodders** Wed 13 Jan - 13:23

Some reports of a Quins lock heading to Ulster - any one on here know anything? Treadwell?

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 13:35

rodders wrote:Some reports of a Quins lock heading to Ulster - any one on here know anything? Treadwell?

Has Treadwell's name been mentioned?

by lostinwales Wed 13 Jan - 13:38

Blueschief wrote:I quite like Brown, if you cut him he bleeds England. Every team needs players like that, what with all the so called mercenaries all international sides have.To be honest when I see him on the England team sheet v Wales I groan, he can turn a game around with one blitzing run.

Yes every team needs those sorts of players, and knowing he's there must help the rest of the back line a great deal.

by Pete330v2 Wed 13 Jan - 13:50

ChequeredJersey wrote:
rodders wrote:Some reports of a Quins lock heading to Ulster - any one on here know anything? Treadwell?

Has Treadwell's name been mentioned?

No name's been mentioned but an Irish qualified Quins lock has been strongly hinted at. Treadwell is the only man to fit the bill isn't he?

by ChequeredJersey Wed 13 Jan - 13:58

Pete330v2 wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
rodders wrote:Some reports of a Quins lock heading to Ulster - any one on here know anything? Treadwell?

Has Treadwell's name been mentioned?

No name's been mentioned but an Irish qualified Quins lock has been strongly hinted at. Treadwell is the only man to fit the bill isn't he?

I think so. He's talented, covers 6 too. Sad to lose him but better him than Twomey or Matthews

by Pete330v2 Wed 13 Jan - 14:27

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Pete330v2 wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
rodders wrote:Some reports of a Quins lock heading to Ulster - any one on here know anything? Treadwell?

Has Treadwell's name been mentioned?

No name's been mentioned but an Irish qualified Quins lock has been strongly hinted at. Treadwell is the only man to fit the bill isn't he?

I think so. He's talented, covers 6 too. Sad to lose him but better him than Twomey or Matthews

If he covers 6 he must be the man, I think we have been looking someone to replace Iain Henderson at Lock and Backrow so Mr Treadwell would fit the bill. Thanks CJ.

by yappysnap Thu 14 Jan - 10:20

Understandable he may want to go as there are a lot of players ahead of him too

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