Vienna, Stockholm, Basel, Valencia, Moscow (and other 'low-level' events)

by **laverfan** Sun 25 Oct 2015, 2:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

Vienna - Ferrer v Johnson - Johnson playing pretty well and can win this one.
Stockholm - Berdych v Sock - just started.
Basel - Qualifying rounds in progress.
Valencia - Qualifying rounds in progress.
Moscow - Cilic v Bautista-Agut - BA can take a set off Cilic.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/scores/current/

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:07 pm

So we going into 3 sets Wink

by LuvSports! Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:09 pm

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:11 pm

No straight sets win for Fed. Rafa fans must be liking Fed's humiliation Wink

by summerblues Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:13 pm

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:22 pm

No panic guys, break is coming, fast.

by CAS Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:30 pm

His whole body language against Rafa is different

by CAS Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:32 pm

It's on all Roger, he plays well he wins games with ease if he dips Rafa wins with ease

by CAS Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm

Have to say I'm impressed with Rafa, he really is determined to get back to the very top

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:42 pm

Fed breaks, now serve madafakaaaaa

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:47 pm

Yessssssss Fed winsssss, like it's a surprise Smile

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:49 pm

Best play of the year by Nadal (Fleming) and I agree.

Great match, some super play old style from both.

by Josiah Maiestas Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:49 pm

Gifted 2nd set.

Why are you so nice to him, Roger?

Allez

by summerblues Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:50 pm

Happy ending in the end but it did not look too good early in the third. Fed was helped a bit by a poor service game from Rafa.

by Born Slippy Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:50 pm

Well done Fed. Looked incredibly nervous and made hard work of it but got it done. Probably Rafa's best display of the season.

by LuvSports! Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:51 pm

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by **laverfan** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:51 pm

Good match. Congrats to Federer. clap

Well played Nadal. thumbsup

by Haddie-nuff Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:53 pm

And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done clap

by Matchpoint Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:55 pm

Oops, got it wrong. f*** the irrelevant h2h. The guy with the favourable h-2-d actually needs to have enough current form to back it up. I didn't expect Roger to play like he's 29 and Rafa 34.
Wow what a win!

Of course, Nadal should still be very proud he made it to an in-door HC final. Very impressive thus far, well done and better luck in Paris.

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:56 pm

about right. Nadal did better than i thought he could at this stage. Wish it felt like a bigger occasion, or a bigger thing

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm

it speaks a lot of the h2h, that given feds indoor record, both against Nadal and in general, and recent form that many of us thought this might be up in the air. Was more up in the air than it realy should have been

by HM Murdock Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm

Good match.

Both players showed spells of what makes them so special, but I thought both also showed what they are missing in comparison to their peak levels.

I'm pleased for Fed to get a victory over the old foe but I think Rafa will be pleased with his improving level.

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 3:59 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

You don't like him much do you?

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:01 pm

Oh enough! Both of you... every time, every single time, the match isnt all that meaningful, dont start another passive aggressive fight

Anyway my start to Sundays entertainment done... time for Spectre

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:02 pm

HM Murdock wrote:Good match.

Both players showed spells of what makes them so special, but I thought both also showed what they are missing in comparison to their peak levels.

I'm pleased for Fed to get a victory over the old foe but I think Rafa will be pleased with his improving level.

Some great play from both at times but neither of them looked like potential future slam winners. The difference, I think, is that Fed is very unlikely to look like that again, whereas it's possible Rafa will get back to that level.

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:03 pm

temporary21 wrote:Oh enough! Both of you... every time, every single time, the match isnt all that meaningful, dont start another passive aggressive fight

I'm a fan of sarcasm, so don't have a problem with H-N using it. I'd rather Rafa had won, keeping Murray at No. 2 - I'm very much hoping Murray gets back to No. 2 for the AO seeding.

by HM Murdock Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:04 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

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by slashermcguirk Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:04 pm

Shows what trouble nadal is for federer, nadal has always struggled indoors and even despite very poor form this year he very nearly beat fed on his home court. Would have expected fed to win much more comfortably. Would have been a killer for fed to lose that one, he must be relieved

by Haddie-nuff Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:04 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

You don't like him much do you?

I don't like the hype that surrounds him ...you would have thought he had just scraped a win past Novak.. instead of Nadal who according to what has been said about him on here should have received two bagels.
Its not him.. its his fans he holds Rafa in higher regard

by Haddie-nuff Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm

HM Murdock wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

You can do better than that Murdock.. cant you get lower than that

by It Must Be Love Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm

Nadal played well, but Federer deserved to win. He's done well against Nadal on indoor hard throughout his career, but was really tested today.
Nadal made a few UEs in crucial points in the third set, but apart from that he'll be very pleased.

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:08 pm

But it was the Rafa fans who reckoned Fed was going to walk it. Fed fans seemed to think Rafa could win it.
In the end Rafa played one of, if not his best match of the year, so should be pretty pleased with his week overall.

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:11 pm

To the maths. Feds no 2 again, how much by? When is the seeding for the 02 taken? Does it come down to Paris for that still? If so I, or someone else might have to crunch the scenarios.

by Josiah Maiestas Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:13 pm

Worst defeat of Nadal's declining career.

Even Seppi beat this version of Fed Sad

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:16 pm

Lets not mention Tommy Robredo either

by HM Murdock Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:17 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
HM Murdock wrote:Good match.

Both players showed spells of what makes them so special, but I thought both also showed what they are missing in comparison to their peak levels.

I'm pleased for Fed to get a victory over the old foe but I think Rafa will be pleased with his improving level.

Some great play from both at times but neither of them looked like potential future slam winners. The difference, I think, is that Fed is very unlikely to look like that again, whereas it's possible Rafa will get back to that level.

I still don't know what to make of Rafa.

I thought at the end of the 2nd and the start of 3rd, he looked like his old self. His forehand was hammering and he was finding great angles in his passing shots.

But then it ebbed away for no obvious reason.

So, causes for optimism but still causes for concern.

by Matchpoint Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:18 pm

HM Murdock wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

Hahaha, I've always liked your illustrated AND honest post, HMM.

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:20 pm

HMM, you deserve e medal for being funny this year Wink

Still, how the hell did you find this Japanese Bitter, instead of Tetley's, you know more local variety.

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:21 pm

Hey Matchpoint, how's life treating you in Shangri-La Hug

by It Must Be Love Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:25 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

Yes the crowd are to blame for Rafito's defeat; why weren't they cheering for Nadal like me.

by bogbrush Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:35 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:And Roger manages to struggle to beat an off form Nadal assisted by the crowd...wow well done

And Nadal loses to a guy shortly eligible for the Seniors tour. picard

by It Must Be Love Sun 01 Nov 2015, 4:43 pm

Nadal played quite well so no reason to get so butthurt people

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 5:00 pm

Jamie Murray lost in the doubles final, unfortunately.

by Born Slippy Sun 01 Nov 2015, 5:19 pm

temporary21 wrote:To the maths. Feds no 2 again, how much by? When is the seeding for the 02 taken? Does it come down to Paris for that still? If so I, or someone else might have to crunch the scenarios.

Murray is 620 points clear in the race, so Fed needs to win Paris to remain number 2 for the WTF (he faces Murray in the SF so will gain at least 640 points in that scenario). I assume seeding isn't done until the following week.

by Guest Sun 01 Nov 2015, 6:25 pm

It sounds like it was a close encounter.

I have to say had Federer lost, I would've recommended his GOAThood be revoked! Laugh

Seems like a huge achievement for Federer to get a win over Nadal. 3 and half years in the making.

chin

the WTF will be very interesting.

by **laverfan** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:05 pm

It is rather unfortunate to see bickering mar this.

It is good to see Nadal in a Fast(er) HC final, bodes well for O2.

It is good to see Federer can win Finals (instead of losing in first round to journeymen) Laugh

.

It is good to see both the seniors teach the young guns some lessons (yeh - Dimi, Sock - are you listening... - but I like Goffin).

by temporary21 Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:11 pm

Expected though. In any case fed being 2 for wtf would be very handy. Else we risk a djoko fed nafal group of death... I think

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:23 pm

temporary21 wrote:Expected though. In any case fed being 2 for wtf would be very handy. Else we risk a djoko fed nafal group of death... I think

I quite like the idea of that! C'mon Andy!

by bogbrush Sun 01 Nov 2015, 8:28 pm

Top priority for me is David Ferrer in Feds group.

by Matchpoint Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:06 pm

Jahu wrote:Hey Matchpoint, how's life treating you in Shangri-La

Good thanks.
So glad Roger's serve was reliable again today. I grossly underestimated the effectiveness of his new game, what with the new racket, net-rushing, SABR etc. Can he repeat today vs Nadal? Can't wait for their next meeting, anywhere. Cheers!

by Jahu Sun 01 Nov 2015, 9:10 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
temporary21 wrote:Expected though. In any case fed being 2 for wtf would be very handy. Else we risk a djoko fed nafal group of death... I think

I quite like the idea of that! C'mon Andy!

JHM, you really aged 60?

Sorry for all the grievances I've caused you here, then again you're pretty modern for a grand dad thumbsup

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