Forget Wlad - Fury. What About CHUNKY???

Chunky De Gale fights Lucian Bute tonight yet hardly anyone's mentioned it. How do we see the IBF champ doing?

I have a feeling that DeGale will want to prove a point - I don't think that Bute is the force he once was so I'm going for a DeGale KO. However I don't think Bute will make it easy for him given that the fight's in Canada - DeGale KO8.

What about you guys?

I'm interested but I think the reason it's slipping by is the time it'll be on and we all expect DeGale to win, it's just how that we're querying.

My opinion is DeGale by KO but when I'm not sure. I think he'll catch him but Bute can box so it may take a few rounds for the opening to appear. DeGale seems to have developed a harder single shot these days so although Froch stopped him via accumulation whilst on his feet I think DeGale might get him out of there quite cleanly.

I think late stoppage. I doubt Bute will cause too much concern for DeGale.

$3m US for fighting Bute who hasn't had a good win since wiped out by Froch, not doing too badly is he Chunky? How do you get that sort of money fighting a guy like Bute?

Its pressure DeGale can't handle so I think DeGale points here as Bute's quite tough, but here's hoping Bute can get back to something near his pre Froch form and it could get quite interesting.

Not a fan of DeGale but his fight with Dirrell was enjoyable so definitely want to stay up and watch this, may have to look in the medicine cabinet. Fair play to him, it can sometimes only take one performance to make you interested in a boxer's next few fights. Too slick for Bute surely. Can't rule out DeGale by stoppage in first half either I guess but if Bute is still there by halfway and it's close things could get very interesting. Could make heavy weather of it and then who knows? Looking forward to it.

Spencer Oliver "Great performance from Degale!!"..

Shut up you stupid idiot....

I had it even like Watt...

For three rounds I thought I was watching Sugar Ray Leonard...Then he did his usual..

The talent is there but he's so frustrating. .

Totally forgot about Degale after the Fury shock!

Who did he do? Narrow points win I'm guessing?

Just about did enough, agree with Truss that Chunky's really frustrating, got bags and bags of talent but just seems to switch off for half a fight.

Herman Jaeger wrote:$3m US for fighting Bute who hasn't had a good win since wiped out by Froch, not doing too badly is he Chunky? How do you get that sort of money fighting a guy like Bute?

Its pressure DeGale can't handle so I think DeGale points here as Bute's quite tough,  but here's hoping Bute can get back to something near his pre Froch form and it could get quite interesting.

Not a fan of DeGale but his fight with Dirrell was enjoyable so definitely want to stay up and watch this, may have to look in the medicine cabinet. Fair play to him, it can sometimes only take one performance to make you interested in a boxer's next few fights. Too slick for Bute surely. Can't rule out DeGale by stoppage in first half either I guess  but if Bute is still there by halfway and it's close things could get very interesting. Could make heavy weather of it and then who knows?  Looking forward to it.

Bute is a huge attraction in Canada

Bute is not a bad fighter at all expecially in his home town, Another good win for chunky..

Was classic chunky, countered all night, against a pretty average, ageing Bute. He does infuriate a bit degale, as he could go through the gears more, but easily outclassed Bute. Not sure why Jim watt was calling it close or was worrying, all the class was from degale & the judges reflected that with significant margins.

Degale vs Badou Jack in Vegas in April

Great fight highly enjoyable. Not many would go to someone's back yard like that and take a risk (ward take note).

Had him winning by 5 rounds. Comfortable fight. Watts scorecard was horrendous so was Halling commentary.

Landed the classier shots never looked bothered landed some good looking combinations and did a very impressive job.

Unification with Jack is winnable.

Yeah lucky Ward.......

Journeyman If he didn't fight in America..

Probably

I thought chunky won quite clearly still have no clue what watt was watching

But is coming forward he wins the round despite getting hit flush to the head and bodu

Agree with everyone, talented fighter but hasn't got a fighters brain, make sit so much harder for himself

Done the business felt he could always take it to the next level whereas bute was doing everything he could. A little like canelo against cotto felt maybe that degale didn't see bute as that much of a threat and got a a little lazy waiting for single shots instead of putting it together and really going for it.

Degale has the ability to make froch look silly but his lapses in fights makes that a great fight, Frochs raiding heavy hands make him very dangerous in that but can't see it coming off

Good win from DeGale, had him up by two or three, thought the scores were maybe a bit wide, Haymon obviously thinks there's a few quid to be made. Can just about see the argument for a draw as Truss saw it, will have to watch it again if I can push myself.

Not sure DeGale will reign too long though, I think he's got a couple more easy wins and then the going's going to get a lot tougher.

Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

I think it's a fight Froch should take though Toppy if I'm honest.

Otherwise he'll be haunted till his last breath by that relinquishment to DeGale, and it will remain a stain on an otherwise exemplary career.

It's clearly on his mind, he felt the the need to make his presence felt in the run-up to DeGale's fight with Bute.

Why not just keep schtum?

Would put a nice seal on his career a win over DeGale. Not going to be nice for him having to watch DeGale's successes from the sidelines.

I don't think it's a stain at all, thanks to that Bute performance. No sane person can surely care anymore, JdG would have been an easy night's work it looks.

Only reason Froch should have taken the fight, in hindsight, is that the win looks more assured now and would have been another good name on his CV still and another chance to close that gap with JC.

Styles make fights though Toppy.


I'd like to see Froch take the fight in answer to those that feel DeGale might make him look silly.

I believe Froch would pulverise him in the second half of that fight but it's still a fight I'd like to see and Froch wouldn't have to endure any further snipes from DeGale from then on.

Can't see it happening though.

Why wouldn't Froch do to Chunky what he did to Bute though? DeGold doesn't have the power to hold him off, or the pace/fitness to keep with him if the fight did go the distance, Froch could just go relentless and the ref would step in eventually.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Why wouldn't Froch do to Chunky what he did to Bute though? DeGold doesn't have the power to hold him off, or the pace/fitness to keep with him if the fight did go the distance, Froch could just go relentless and the ref would step in eventually.

I largely agree with all that.

Style wize Degale is a NIGHTMARE for Froch

But Froch may be able to just wear him down and stop him.

Froch has intangibles that you just can't measure

BoxingFan88 wrote:Style wize Degale is a NIGHTMARE for Froch

But Froch may be able to just wear him down and stop him.

Froch has intangibles that you just can't measure

How so? Please explain.....?

Chunky will at some point just sit back against the ropes and take punishment, taylor bloody made for Froch. If JDG could fight as a slickster for 3 mins x 12 rounds he'd be a problem, but he won't, whereas Froch can be himself from first bell to last.

it's a dangerous game, assuming fighter a beats fighter b better than fighter c did, therefore fighter a will beat fighter c

froch walked through bute in very impressive fashion. Degale is not a walk-through anyone type of fighter and Bute is a decent boxer if allowed to be. Its also a few years down the line for froch from the bute perfomance.

All of that said, pascal did for Bute recently, it's not a great performance from degale to be pushed close by him.

degale froch would be interesting but, if froch does come back i'd much rather see him fight golovkin. Big if. Very big if.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights, there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed. Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought. who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch, anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it, bottom line.

You mean the fact he's 35 and has looked crap in every fight since Froch.....

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney. Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off? A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

Absolutely correct from TopHat.

As I've said before, Degale has only really emerged as a contender at the back end of his career. Froch is 38, has been in a lot of gruelling fights against good contenders. There's always one more fight. Enough fighters retire too late, I think we have to applaud him for getting out on top. He's made his money, why risk his health any longer? Especially with his style.

Degale is to froch what froch was to calzaghe. No shame in either if them not taking the fight. I don't doubt for a minute that froch thinks he would beat degale. Doesn't mean he's necessarily right. Problem for chunky is just that switch off/stamina thing that seems to be a problem in every fight. 

Froch isn't a guy you want to gas against. Still be interesting though.

As we all know Froch isn't coming back....It would be nice If he stopped trying to steal attention from Degale everytime he's in the news by saying stuff along those lines..

Going to be a bitter man Froch......Stuck in Calzaghe's shadow and soon to be resenting the fact that Supermiddle is going to be hot in the UK without him !!!..

Has a beautiful wife and family but like Larry...It won't be enough !!!!

Degale might possibly be a better boxer than Groves although their fight suggests there isn't much between them but in my opinion Groves' power made him a nightmare for Froch.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Has a beautiful wife and family but like Larry...It won't be enough !!!!

Agree 100%, the Holmes comparison is fair. How many boxers get out with their brains still intact, enough money to last them a lifetime and a beautiful family in place. Add into that a seemingly inevitable call from Canastota when the time comes and like Holmes he has more to be happy than bitter about. His constant belittling of Degale does him no credit whatsoever.

Beaten DeGale and I would have happily argued all day that he had drawn level with Joe. Beat Golovkin on top of that and I probably would have said he had bettered Calzaghe.

As things stand I couldn't argue he's ahead of the Welshman for fear of being a lone voice. I could argue though he may be the second best super middleweight from the UK, though that isn't saying necessarily he rates ahead of Eubank and Benn overall,  bearing in mind they both did quite a bit at middleweight.

It's going to haunt him(clearly) if DeGale goes onto a long string of defences. People will always say look he give it away to him and he accused Calzaghe of being dishonourable for doing the same thing. Did he really believe he could beat DeGale or was it just bravado? Was he era, bar Ward, not actually really that good?

He had to retire at some point, if he beat Degale then there would be Callum Smith and after him there would be Ramirez or someone else, you can't expect him to keep fighting the top challengers until he loses. I don't think it impacts on Calzaghe's legacy that he didn't fight Froch and it is easy to forget that Froch did actually beat the next generation in Groves who was seen as the tougher challenge. It's only since his retirement that Degale has become a player in the division, there was no real clamour for the fight last year.

I'm not sayin Degale will beat Froch, but his style makes him a nightmare switch hitter with good speed and throws combinations, is also very unpredictable (remind you of anyone??? Dirrell)

However I don't think Froch needs to fight Degale, he beat the up and comer in Groves twice and as the poster above said then it would be Calum Smith then someone else.

If he stays retired or fights again its up to him, but has absolutely nothing left to prove.

I personally think Degale would make him look bad even if he did win and after that long out of the ring, he is the last person you want to face.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

I think Degale has also hinted that he is disappointed with the British fans and why he is fighting out of the country, As after being a Olympic Champ and now world champ with a string of great results, he still gets haters... He is going to go the Khan root I think.

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Wonder if people will shut up now about how Froch should have stayed active and fought DeGale.

Makes a meal of getting through a guy Froch blew away in a few rounds who was several fights older by the time they fought.

Styles make fights,  there is no way Froch would outbox Bute as the start of his fight showed.  Bute was fighting away from home for the first time while Froch was fighting in his home town.

Also there was nothing really to confirm Bute is past it as this fight also suggested where he dug in very deep.

He was just not the top world class fighter everyone thought.  who did he beat before Froch beat him?

That being said he has experienced and is a decent fighter.

Look what a nightmare Groves gave Froch,  anyone who does jot think Degale Froch would have been a good fight is either a hater or does not know boxing..

Froch knows Degale is better that Groves and did not fancy it,  bottom line.

Abolsute baloney.  Why would Froch fear a guy that got beat (twice) by a guy he's just beaten (twice)?

A guy with no power to hold Froch off?  A guy who loves to switch off during fits and lie against the ropes absorbing punishment in a daydream?

JDG would win rounds where he was focussed but he would at some point switch off and get steamrollered.

Comments re Bute are verging on embarrassing.

ok, so go and bring up Degales 11th pro fight from nearly 5 years ago? but that's being a bit desperate and blatantly bias....

If I remember right you got a bit of brown nose syndrome for Groves, as when he fought Froch you were hating on me for back Froch, not your supporting Froch because you hate Degale more and your boy Groves could not win a strap after three attempts.

Dagale has decent power, and nearly stopped Dirrell in the second round, soothing Froch came no where near doing.  And if you cant see that Bute in his home town is a decent win, then you dont know your boxing and your just a hater...

To be fair, Froch couldn't hit Dirrell

Tunes; Bute looked awful against Grachev and even worse against Pascal, it's a name on Degale's record but not much more than that.

tunes666 wrote:I think Degale has also hinted that he is disappointed with the British fans and why he is fighting out of the country,  As after being a Olympic Champ and now world champ with a string of great results, he still gets haters...  He is going to go the Khan root I think.

Not sure how people can hate on Degale

He beat Dirrell IN MICHIGAN

He beat Bute IN QUEBEC

That deserves some serious respect, probably my new favourite fighter in the UK, he fights ANYONE ANYWHERE

Giving us a good name continuing where Froch left off

Hes sounds like a nob constantly using Degale to keep himself in the headlines. Either fight him or let him get with his own career.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Tunes; Bute looked awful against Grachev and even worse against Pascal, it's a name on Degale's record but not much more than that.

Oh come on, you must be joking, Bute looked brilliant on Saturday and those fights were at LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT

DeGale beat a Bute that looked back to his best, don't try and diminish that win.

Bute was nowhere near his best and hasn't been for years whilst the fight with Grachev was a 170lb catchweight, it doesn't alter him looking poor in either fight. Degale starts fights well and looks impressive doing it but as soon as he goes past four rounds his output becomes non-existent and he tries to cruise the rest of the fight, he let Bute back into it just like he against Dirrell.

BoxingFan88 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:I think Degale has also hinted that he is disappointed with the British fans and why he is fighting out of the country,  As after being a Olympic Champ and now world champ with a string of great results, he still gets haters...  He is going to go the Khan root I think.

Not sure how people can hate on Degale

He beat Dirrell IN MICHIGAN

He beat Bute IN QUEBEC

That deserves some serious respect, probably my new favourite fighter in the UK, he fights ANYONE ANYWHERE

Giving us a good name continuing where Froch left off

It's like something a ten year old would write.

catchweight wrote:Hes sounds like a nob constantly using Degale to keep himself in the headlines. Either fight him or let him get with his own career.

You could say the same for Calzaghe in fairness.

I don't think you can take anything away from the Pascal win who went on to become Ring LH champion. But Taylor was already hammered off Pavlik, Arthur was tailored for him, and Bute was more good than great. Dirrell may have won their fight bar the cheating and you could argue DeGale dealt with him quite comfortably. Johnson was old, Groves was on the end of a favourable decision against DeGale, comprehensively beaten by Ward, would t entertain Hopkins etc.

No I think a decent division the more I think about it, but maybe something still to prove I don't know? Maybe not as someone said above, but it's between Froch and his conscience now how he sleeps at night were DeGale to go onto rack up a nice little string of defences.

Froch should sleep well at night and Degale should be happy If his career is anything near as good as Carl's...

DeGale may not let him sleep so well for many years to come.....

Calzaghe didnt follow Froch around after he retired. Degale was mandatory for Froch, Froch vacated and retired. Now on an almost weekly basis hes commenting on him to get a few cheap headlines. Degale hasnt been chasing after Froch. He moved on after Froch vacated nd is going on with his own career. Froch is just haunting the guy to keep his name relevent. If hes vacated instead of taking the fight, and has no intention of really fighting him, he should just shut up about it really.

tunes666 wrote:I think Degale has also hinted that he is disappointed with the British fans and why he is fighting out of the country,  As after being a Olympic Champ and now world champ with a string of great results, he still gets haters...  He is going to go the Khan root I think.

well if he can find a country where everyone doesn't think he's a knob, good luck to him. Might take a while.