Challenge Cup Pool 5: Grenoble v Edinburgh Rugby, 23 January

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FC Grenoble v Edinburgh Rugby 
Saturday 23 January 2016
KO: 20:45
Stade des Alpes, Grenoble

Live on FR4 / BeIN Sports

Referee Greg Garner (England)
Touch Judge 1 Andrew Small (England)
Touch Judge 2 Roy Maybank (England)
TMO Geoff Warren (England)
Citing Commissioner Chris Catling (England)

A. Head to Head

1 Played 1
0 Wins 1
1 Losses 0
0 Draws 0
10 Points 28

B. Tournament Form

FC Grenoble
16/1/16: L Irish 18 - 28 Grenoble
18/12/15: Grenoble 48 - 45 Agen
10/12/15: Agen 20 - 40 Grenoble

Edinburgh Rugby 
15/1/16: Edinburgh 23 - 0 Agen
18/12/15: Edinburgh 18 - 15 L Irish
12/12/15: L Irish 38 - 6 Edinburgh

C. Teams

FC Grenoble

15 Gio Aplon
14 Xavier Mignot
13 Chris Farrell
12 Nigel Hunt
11 Daniel Kilioni
10 Jonathan Wisniewski
9 Charl McLeod

1 Fabien Barcella
2 Arnaud Heguy
3 Dayna Edwards
4 Ben Hand
5 Peter Kimlin
6 Henry Vanderglas
7 Mahamadou Diaby
8 Rory Grice

16 loick Jammes
17 Sona Taumalolo
18 Rossouw De Kierk
19 James Percival
20 Fabien Alexandre
21 Christophe Loustalot
22 Gilles Bosch
23 Fabien Gengenbacher

Edinburgh Rugby 

15 Greig Tonks
14 Damien Hoyland
13 Michael Allen
12 Matthew Scott
11 Will Helu
10 Phil Burleigh
9 Sam Hidelgo-Clyne

1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford
3 WP Nel
4 Anton Bresler
5 Ben Toolis
6 Mike Coman
7 John Hardie
8 Cornell Du Preez

16 Neil Cochrane
17 Allan Dell
18 Simon Berghan
19 Alex Toolis
20 Hamish Watson
21 Nathan Fowles
22 Andries Strauss
23 Douglas Fife

Grenoble looking dangerous in attack but making lots of mistakes when they get into our 22 luckily

Good first half for Edinburgh - 17-13 despite Grenoble looking far more dangerous.

We can't rely on them making mistakes though.

Spoke too soon, we've got the nudge on at the scrum but they are just about holding their ground.

From what I've seen we are lucky to be leading as we've been on the back foot for most of the match.

Indyniall wrote:Spoke too soon, we've got the nudge on at the scrum but they are just about holding their ground.

From what I've seen we are lucky to be leading as we've been on the back foot for most of the match.

Yes that's true, however Grenoble are lucky to still have 15 players on the pitch as there was an obvious swinging arm on Bresler who had to go off injured.

RDW_Scotland wrote:

Indyniall wrote:My live stream keeps hanging, this is very frustrating given how close the game looks to be.

As a welcome to the forum gift I'll PM you!

Cheers, I've been lurking for a while but apparently you need posts before you can send a DM. I'm going to need to think of some good content.

I wouldn't worry about the quality of your posts - you've got a low standard to aspire to!

As things stand Edinburgh will face Connacht at home.

We need to stop throwing stupid offloads!

Edinburgh doing lots of Edinburgh stuff.

The good is always accompanied by the bad and the ugly

Indyniall wrote:Edinburgh doing lots of Edinburgh stuff.

The good is always accompanied by the bad and the ugly

That's more like it!

This is tense!

The French lad, I assume, has his kicking boots, this is going to be very tight.

Watson on, surprisingly early? Is Solomons under orders to only give Hardie 60 mins?

How to murder a 2 man overlap, c/o Edinburgh...

Some lovely rugby from Edinburgh, had an overlap on the right if it had gone

Cochrane and Berghan are on

How many red zone penalties can Grenoble give away without sanction?

Not that Edinburgh would be able to take advantage of any sin bins, but still!

I think we need more than 4 points - Grenoble are dangerous

I wonder what goes through the players heads when they switch from Solomons rugby to Barbarians rugby. Alls well though, we've got a kick in front of the posts.

you can see allens frustration when we took contact with a huge overlap!
hoyland playing very well but pretty messy/tense game.

FFS what was that?

How did the smallest man on the pitch claim that kick??

Balls, how many times do you see those hail mary kicks come off?

Last week against the weegies and today. :-(

What does a draw get us if we happen to kick a penalty?

All we need is a lbp I think, but it would mean an away quarter final

Yes ref!!!

We pinged us for changing lanes in the first half so he had to give that one.

Actually looking at the replay he just dropped the ball, they got away with changing lanes in the middle of that maul.

Indyniall wrote:Yes ref!!!

We pinged us for changing lanes in the first half so he had to give that one.

Actually looking at the replay he just dropped the ball, they got away with changing lanes in the middle of that maul.

Garner has been refereeing to the crowd's noise the whole game.

Looks like a loss but with a lbp - an away QF

I'm sure I saw a knock on in one of the rucks there but my live stream was a bit fuzzy so I can't be sure.

Jeysus, what a bunch of poo

Or make that out of the competition

So who was it that messed up an easy catch knocking us out?

RDW_Scotland wrote:So who was it that messed up an easy catch knocking us out?

Edinburgh's own Swinson. Not sure who was that. Probably one of Tonks or Helu, they have been utter gash the whole game.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Or make that out of the competition

good - lets not waste any more time in a bunch of meaningless games. ~Concentrate on the league.

French tv says we are through?

Clucking bell.

Oh well, aren't we focusing in the league this season.....?

Arghhh, that is soul destroying for Edinburgh. 2 bad mistakes cost them the game

TJ wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Or make that out of the competition

good - lets not waste any more time in a bunch of meaningless games.  ~Concentrate on the league.

Absolutely, but it is worth noting that this year the winners get a spot in the Champions Cup so it isn't completely pointless.

Direct 4 just put up a graphic saying we are off to the stoop for a quarter final. Not sure I believe that though, do we not finish below London Irish on H2H?

That really was a steaming pile of mince bar the scrum. We so need a ten! Welcome Meatball

RDW_Scotland wrote:French tv says we are through?

That's not possible as LI got a try bonus win and they have a better head to head against Edinburgh.

From the challenge cup website

"It's all over in Agen and London Irish have won 31-17. That means with Edinburgh not getting a point in their 34-23 defat in Grenoble that the Exiles will go through to the quarter-finals as one of the best runners-up.

London Irish go though ahead of Edinburgh on the head-to-head matches between the clubs (6 match points to 4)."

what a way to snatch defeat from the jaws off, i don't want to say victory but something better than defeat.

The Beeb has us finishing third in our group, although they appear to have awarded LI 6 points for their win!

As expected our chronic lack of bonus points have cost us dearly (as well as losing!)

The worry is that the same problem will cost us in the league!

My stream cut out as score was 26-23.. Oh dear! That is a big shame.. Really feel like Edinburgh are needing a better 10 and maybe some better backline tactics to compliment their pack. They should never have conceded that 'hail mary' try by Aplon. 4 Edinburgh players to one Grenoble player, jeez. Fair play to Grenoble, they put the gas on straight after conceding points and pulled off a good score.

I don't know what to make of that, we played pretty well, the bits I saw that weren't frozen, defended well but they kicked it up in the air twice and that little dude got his hands on it before any of our players. Basics cost us.

Tonks looked like he didn't want to go for that garryowen so it had to be Burleigh going for it. Appalling stuff. Edinburgh really missed Cuthbert tonight.

Final table looks so weird. Edinburgh win 4 games from 6, London Irish 3 from 6.. Gotta get them BP's!!

You barstewards. we were looking forward to a weekend off in mid April prior to heading north to face Falcons in what could be a relegation decider. Now we've got to go and play the multi coloured jokers instead!!!

bsando wrote:Final table looks so weird. Edinburgh win 4 games from 6, London Irish 3 from 6.. Gotta get them BP's!!

In the Pro 12 they are doing things rightly, separating equals team on points by number of wins 1st. This makes a complete mockery of the system and thats why i don't want bonus points anywhere near the 6 nations too.

VinceWLB wrote:

bsando wrote:Final table looks so weird. Edinburgh win 4 games from 6, London Irish 3 from 6.. Gotta get them BP's!!

In the Pro 12 they are doing things rightly, separating equals team on points by number of wins 1st. This makes a complete mockery of the system and thats why i don't want bonus points anywhere near the 6 nations too.

No reason we should use the same league system in the Six Nations as this competition; we already don't. But bonus points needn't ruin the competition. If you increase the number of points for a win and keep bonus points the same, you can make it mathematically impossible to win all five games and not win the title.