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On This Day: Julio Cesar Chavez lost his incredible unbeaten record

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Post by hazharrison Fri 29 Jan 2016, 2:22 pm

Anyone remember this fight and Barry McGuigan losing his s hit when Randall dropped Chavez?:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-this-day-julio-cesar-chavez-lost-his-incredible-unbeaten-record/

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 2:44 pm

Unbeaten - yes.
Incredible - debateable...?

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Post by hazharrison Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:15 pm

Great fight, though, regardless.

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Post by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:17 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Unbeaten - yes.
Incredible - debateable...?
Who else has a record that shows they were unbeaten for nearly 90 fights?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:21 pm

No idea, how long did Wilde or Greb go without a loss?

Point is regarding opposition.

Didn't Loma get close to 300 before losing? Amateur but as good if not better standard to a lot of JCC's assorted taxi drivers & janitors.

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Post by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:26 pm

If it was easy to do everyone would be doing it wouldn't they

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:39 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:No idea, how long did Wilde or Greb go without a loss?

Point is regarding opposition.

Didn't Loma get close to 300 before losing? Amateur but as good if not better standard to a lot of JCC's assorted taxi drivers & janitors.

I doubt it comes close to the 35 world title fights that Chavez had against the best of the era, lot of filler no doubt but also a lot of top top quality on there.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:44 pm

Wow, hadn't realised it was that many title fights before he lost!

Fair bit of quality likely then, but a hell of a lot of filler to get to 90/35.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 3:51 pm

One of my favorite fighters...His performance against Rosario being a stand out for me....

Lost his unbeaten record to Pernell though in all fairness.........

I don't regard his overall record as incredible to be honest as 3/5 of the fighters on it are non entities..

But his championship record is top draw and a bonafide alltime great in any era..

Randall certainly had the key and never rated him that highly apparently...

The Captain spoke to Randall who wasn't that high in praise and thought Rosario was a better fighter......shame he's not around to divulge the conversation..

Pity his Son didn't inherit his Dad's drive and work ethic.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:01 pm

Think it was closer 30 by the time of the Randall fight but his record has more quality on it than most.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Fri 29 Jan 2016, 4:53 pm

Remember this fight haz

the shock of seeing Chavez dropped really shocked me.

Also I remember Chavez being a very sore looser after the fight giving Randell, who fought a great fight, no credit at all.

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Post by Atila Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:07 pm

Chavez was 90-0-1 before the loss, which was a great record.

Some like to complain that there were some average fighters on his record but as a fan, I didn't care. He fought often so he was entitled to the odd gimme opponent. By the way, Randall was considered a gimme opponent also, no one expected him to win and look what happened.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:08 pm

No one is complaining..just pointing it out..

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Post by hazharrison Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:31 pm

That knockdown was a genuine OMFG moment. Seem to recall Randall pivoting away from Chavez when the Mexican crowded him (and fighting like hell throughout).

Randall really earned that title shot - crazy record heading in.

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Post by Guest Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:43 pm

Atila wrote:Chavez was 90-0-1 before the loss, which was a great record.

Some like to complain that there were some average fighters on his record but as a fan, I didn't care. He fought often so he was entitled to the odd gimme opponent. By the way, Randall was considered a gimme opponent also, no one expected him to win and look what happened.
And yet we're constantly hammered with Floyd's 49-0....even from boxing scribes who think it's unique!

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Post by Nico the gman Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:55 pm

Chavez was the best boxer I've ever seen at cutting the ring down, brilliant fighter.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 29 Jan 2016, 6:02 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Atila wrote:Chavez was 90-0-1 before the loss, which was a great record.

Some like to complain that there were some average fighters on his record but as a fan, I didn't care. He fought often so he was entitled to the odd gimme opponent. By the way, Randall was considered a gimme opponent also, no one expected him to win and look what happened.
And yet we're constantly hammered with Floyd's 49-0....even from boxing scribes who think it's unique!

We were hammered with Julio's before he lost..Just like Holmes was hammered with Rocky's 49-0..

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