Khan shouldn't fight Brook till 2017.....

Vicious knockout......The kind of punch that ages a fighter and strips one of his confidence.... Groves has never been the same since Froch 2 for me....

Khan needs to take time off to regroup and rest and then needs a tune up or two to get the confidence back and to evaluate if he is still on his game.....Suicide to walk straight into Brook after yesterday....

As Brook is a stadium fight and we are in a May...Shoud be no time this year..

Let Brook get a bit more wear on him and mileage....

My advice no Brook till next year !!....Don't give him any freebies...You're the star no matter what Hearn says....Fight him on your terms....and when your ready..

Wait till next year !!

Let Brooke get more wear? You serious? So who is Khan going to fight while Brooks taking damage??

Willie Limond rematch?? Maybe drag Morales out of retirement.

Khan is pretty much through, brook knocks him out so it's probably on khan to wait a little bit but Khan isn't a huge name so he can't wait around too long and be relavent

Knowing khan though he won't fight brook because he knows that he's got the beating of Mayweather and knows that fight is gonna happen.....which it won't

Khan knew he was ginna get knocked out he's only in it for the moeny and the fame so can't imagine him taking too many tune ups, brook is big money for him money khan won't miss out on

Khan will take the money, then retire after Brook smashes him.

They couldn't sell that fight this summer. Khan would need to win a couple at 147 first.

But a loss would end any interest

Any fighter a whatever level are just gonna look at khan and go all out to get to that chin, khan should be able to beat almost any welterweight but his chin means that he can be knocked out at any point (christ even pillow puncher Algieri rocked him ) which would ruin the fight

I don't think khan at this point in his career will want too many tune ups hes at the end of his career (tbf he said he was always gonna retire early) and is looking for only the big fights

If I were Brook, I would forget Khan. He's done anyway.

Well after getting ko'd will Brooke see him on his level now? Khan needs Brooke more now than before and may find it hard to negotiate the higher split of the purse which he will of course think he deserves.

Adam, Khans not done, if he held a welterweight title and fought the same standard of opposition as Kell Brook then he'd have a long reign ahead of him. However, he boxers out of America where the standard is higher then here. Maybe he needs to re-evalute his ambitions and re-camp to the UK.

He has no chin. Elite fighters with power will destroy him. If he finds a light puncher,he might win a title.

When was he last champ (paper)? He is done.

His chin isn't the problem. His defence and concentration let him down against Canelo and Garcia. Anyone will go down if they let themselves get hit flush with a huge haymaker.

He was dropped by Willie Limond among others. I would say his chin is a problem. Of course you are right about the other obvious weak areas.

Are you saying he has a decent chin??

I was going to say... Willie Limond is the only example I can think of where he was heavily dropped by a weak puncher.

On Saturday, he had both hands down and his chin up in the air, and let Canelo load up with his right. I'm not saying his punch resistance is great, but it's not his main downfall. There are bigger issues.

He doesn't have a terrible chin I don't think

He just gets caught very clean and very flush, he doesn't seem to have an instinct to roll with punches

I see he has mentioned e would like Garcia or Pacquiao next.

You keep mentioning Willie Limond, but remember he stood up to Maidana landing pretty clean.

AdamT wrote:I see he has mentioned e would like Garcia or Pacquiao next.

Yep, he's still Garcia's mandatory I believe. But he really shouldnt fight anyone until 2017. I'm pretty sure I saw his soul leave his body when he got knocked out. Needs time to recover

PaulHv2 wrote:You keep mentioning Willie Limond, but remember he stood up to Maidana landing pretty clean.

He had Ariza then. Better "diet."

Khan needs to sit out 2016 for the sake of his long term health. Khan has had his click reset too many times. After manny got brutally ko'd BT marquez, roach had the foresight to say that manny needed a year off for recovery. He took pretty much that before coming back to tonk Rios.
Khan should take the same. Retirement should he considered.

jimdig wrote:Khan needs to sit out 2016 for the sake of his long term health. Khan has had his click reset too many times. After manny got brutally ko'd BT marquez, roach had the foresight to say that manny needed a year off for recovery. He took pretty much that before coming back to tonk Rios.
Khan should take the same. Retirement should he considered.

With you there Jim. That type of knockout can have devastating effects - look at Hatton's issues with depression after Pacquiao.

I knew this wouldn't end well for Khan. Pretty reprehensible matchmaking from Golden Boy.

Have always thought Brook beats Khan, no fighter wants to end their career like Khan did so he'll have another fight. He'll have a gimme and the wrong/right people will be pouring honey in his ears about how he's still got it etc and he'll sign to fight Brook. Brook will then put the final exclamation point on Khan's career. Doesn't matter when it happens though, Amir still gets done over.

Khan has come out saying he'd like to fight Garcia again. A fight in which he'll probably get knocked out again.

By the time 2017 comes around the Khan v Brook fight doesn't seem overly appealing after Amir has been knocked out for the 5th time (or more). We cry out for big matchups being made and this poster wants both to run past a couple of patsies simply because we're in May and it's a stadium fight... Even though the Benn Eubank rematch took place in October.

Can't expect people to stand in the freezing cold waiting ages for an anti climax....we railway passengers for that sort of thing

His performance for the first 5 rounds was spot on but you could see in the 6th that he didn't have the same concentration level. He was quite sloppy, could have been fatigue I don't know or the body shots he'd been clipped with.
To get knocked out in that manner though is frustrating. He shouldn't have been anywhere near where he was and definitely would have been told not to throw any sloppy jabs. Circled right into the shot.

I recall a training video from sky of when he first started with Hunter where Hunter more than less ridiculed him for his moving around a right hand rather than circling away. Beyond that he cannot pick it up by now and annoying when the fight was going his way. Keeps making these errors where he should be comprehensively out boxing opponents with his skill set.

Leonard said he was careless on Twitter and that will define why he'll never be a great. It was the biggest fight of his career and one where he couldn't afford to become careless even for a single punch yet he did.

He could still outbox Brook but he'll probably make the same mistake again. If you can make it against Canelo, you can make it against Brook.

You mean 4 rounds? Brook kills him.

Khan boxes Brook's ears off. All this talk about Khan getting exposed by 'elite fighters'. Khan got his clock cleaned by Garcia and Alvarez to top tier fighters. No shame in losing to either. Combine record of both fighters is 69-1-1 with 6 world championships between them.

When did Brook ever become 'elite'? In 36 bouts he's faced a grand total of ONE top 10 ranked fighter. Brook isn't a banger by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes Khan got ruined by Alvarez, but the Mexican was damn near a light heavyweight compared to Khan a blown up welterweight.

Khan at 147 wins a wide UD against Brook. Easy as pie.

The problem I have with khan is with the Algieri fight not the canelo one

Because canelo was a big fighter we knew he could always clock khan like he did so he didn't chance anything up

Algieri showed what any half decent welterweight how to attack khan.
Algieri is a bit of a pillow puncher and that was at 140 and is in all essence a back foot fighter......but he saw what khan struggles with and took a gamble by just going for his chin and managed to wobble him.

Khan can outbox you and can dance circles round you but if you just go at him you'll get chances, and his power won't really keep you off him, and if Algieri can rock him a couple times then most welterweights can rock him even more so given he's been KOED again

Worrying times for khan even if he's up against an inferior fighter

hazharrison wrote:

jimdig wrote:Khan needs to sit out 2016 for the sake of his long term health. Khan has had his click reset too many times. After manny got brutally ko'd BT marquez, roach had the foresight to say that manny needed a year off for recovery. He took pretty much that before coming back to tonk Rios.
Khan should take the same. Retirement should he considered.

With you there Jim. That type of knockout can have devastating effects - look at Hatton's issues with depression after Pacquiao.

I knew this wouldn't end well for Khan. Pretty reprehensible matchmaking from Golden Boy.

Excellent prediction on the 6th round ko Haz, Hope you had a few pound on it.

Ironically if this happens will Brook be criticised for taking on a perceived burnt out and beaten up version of Khan?

Brook is going through an Eddie "Meat and two veg" Hearn phase at the moment..

Hearn looks for someone winnable as the meat so he has an excuse to feed him two vegetables after it.....

Hatton was some fighter.

Knowsit17 wrote:Ironically if this happens will Brook be criticised for taking on a perceived burnt out and beaten up version of Khan?

I'm sure he would but I'd lay the blame mainly at Khan's door. For all his talk of an easy fight, he's never been willing to show us just how easy it would have been to beat Kell. He'd have made a nice chunk of change as well so I'd have to ask why Khan wasn't willing to lay it on the line for Brook when he was happy to fight mugs like Salita, McLosky etc but avoid a good, strong, genuine WW like Brook.

For me, Khan also avoided winnable fights with domestic peers like Thaxton and Murray and again avoid them by saying they weren't in his league but again left doubts as to whether he was the best fighter at the weight in the North West of England let alone the World. Maybe he would have beaten Thaxton and Murray but again was happy to feast on part-time schoolteachers and four rounder specialists like Michael Gomez

"burnt out and beaten up" sounds better than the crap he's been taking on lately

I think Algieri should get a rematch. He's the same level as Khan. Both are ok fighters.

Don't be silly..

I'm not silly. Was their fight not competitive??

Would Maidana lose to Algieri ??

Jermaine2015 wrote:Khan boxes Brook's ears off. All this talk about Khan getting exposed by 'elite fighters'. Khan got his clock cleaned by Garcia and Alvarez to top tier fighters. No shame in losing to either. Combine record of both fighters is 69-1-1 with 6 world championships between them.

When did Brook ever become 'elite'? In 36 bouts he's faced a grand total of ONE top 10 ranked fighter. Brook isn't a banger by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes Khan got ruined by Alvarez, but the Mexican was damn near a light heavyweight compared to Khan a blown up welterweight.

Khan at 147 wins a wide UD against Brook. Easy as pie.

Your standard garbage I see then Gerry, Brook is both a superior boxer to Garcia and a bigger puncher than him.

jimdig wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

jimdig wrote:Khan needs to sit out 2016 for the sake of his long term health. Khan has had his click reset too many times. After manny got brutally ko'd BT marquez, roach had the foresight to say that manny needed a year off for recovery. He took pretty much that before coming back to tonk Rios.
Khan should take the same. Retirement should he considered.

With you there Jim. That type of knockout can have devastating effects - look at Hatton's issues with depression after Pacquiao.

I knew this wouldn't end well for Khan. Pretty reprehensible matchmaking from Golden Boy.

Excellent prediction on the 6th round ko Haz, Hope you had a few pound on it.

Sadly not. I'd decided on the under 6 rounds (11-8) but fell asleep thinking how much I dare bet!

I tripled up Alvarez in under 6.5 with Pulev and Barroso by stoppage, didn't turn out very well that one.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Khan boxes Brook's ears off. All this talk about Khan getting exposed by 'elite fighters'. Khan got his clock cleaned by Garcia and Alvarez to top tier fighters. No shame in losing to either. Combine record of both fighters is 69-1-1 with 6 world championships between them.

When did Brook ever become 'elite'? In 36 bouts he's faced a grand total of ONE top 10 ranked fighter. Brook isn't a banger by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes Khan got ruined by Alvarez, but the Mexican was damn near a light heavyweight compared to Khan a blown up welterweight.

Khan at 147 wins a wide UD against Brook. Easy as pie.

Your standard garbage I see then GerryJermaine, Brook is both a superior boxer to Garcia and a bigger puncher than him.

Still stalking me Hammersmith and still can't get my name right either? Heading back to Germany next week, just in case you wanted to follow me....

Please indicate how and when Brook has proven he's a step up from Garcia. Because aside from P4P great Carson Jones and Shawn Porter, Brook only fights tin cans.

Brook has never proven he is a level above Garcia

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I tripled up Alvarez in under 6.5 with Pulev and Barroso by stoppage, didn't turn out very well that one.

Good.

LiamB wrote:Brook has never proven he is a level above Garcia

You can tell that a fighter is more gifted without him actually having as good a record.....

Tyson in 86 being better than say Pinklon Thomas who had a better record..

Being an example..

Brook is more gifted..

Jermaine2015 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Khan boxes Brook's ears off. All this talk about Khan getting exposed by 'elite fighters'. Khan got his clock cleaned by Garcia and Alvarez to top tier fighters. No shame in losing to either. Combine record of both fighters is 69-1-1 with 6 world championships between them.

When did Brook ever become 'elite'? In 36 bouts he's faced a grand total of ONE top 10 ranked fighter. Brook isn't a banger by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes Khan got ruined by Alvarez, but the Mexican was damn near a light heavyweight compared to Khan a blown up welterweight.

Khan at 147 wins a wide UD against Brook. Easy as pie.

Your standard garbage I see then GerryJermaine, Brook is both a superior boxer to Garcia and a bigger puncher than him.

Still stalking me Hammersmith and still can't get my name right either? Heading back to Germany next week, just in case you wanted to follow me....

Please indicate how and when Brook has proven he's a step up from Garcia. Because aside from P4P great Carson Jones and Shawn Porter, Brook only fights tin cans.

Garcia has yet to prove himself at Welterweight and has been the beneficiary of a couple of horrendous decisions; both Peterson and Herrera beat him comfortably.

From what i've seen of them both Brook is the far better operator, everything he does is effortless, he's got the best timing in the division and his punch selection is spot on.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Khan boxes Brook's ears off. All this talk about Khan getting exposed by 'elite fighters'. Khan got his clock cleaned by Garcia and Alvarez to top tier fighters. No shame in losing to either. Combine record of both fighters is 69-1-1 with 6 world championships between them.

When did Brook ever become 'elite'? In 36 bouts he's faced a grand total of ONE top 10 ranked fighter. Brook isn't a banger by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes Khan got ruined by Alvarez, but the Mexican was damn near a light heavyweight compared to Khan a blown up welterweight.

Khan at 147 wins a wide UD against Brook. Easy as pie.

Your standard garbage I see then GerryJermaine, Brook is both a superior boxer to Garcia and a bigger puncher than him.

Still stalking me Hammersmith and still can't get my name right either? Heading back to Germany next week, just in case you wanted to follow me....

Please indicate how and when Brook has proven he's a step up from Garcia. Because aside from P4P great Carson Jones and Shawn Porter, Brook only fights tin cans.

Garcia has yet to prove himself at Welterweight and has been the beneficiary of a couple of horrendous decisions; both Peterson and Herrera beat him comfortably.

From what i've seen of them both Brook is the far better operator, everything he does is effortless, he's got the best timing in the division and his punch selection is spot on.

Yet they'll sell Garcia as a "pound for pound star" against Floyd and some daft buggers will regurgitate it.

I think Khan will pretty much fight anyone so whoever they line up with him. They have kept Khan warm for the last couple of years building him up for a big fight but unfortunately for Khan they cashed him in to feed the Alvarez money machine rather than getting him the more suitable Mayweather fight.

They may decide Khan is not worth wasting a year or two again building back up and just start throwing him into other big fights. You could pick any of 7 or 8 guys at welterweight that would make for a good fight with Khan. He took a pretty bad KO though so I dont think its in his interests to be rushed back into a big puncher immediately.

This article sums up why I don't like Khan. Firstly saying Brook isn't a big enough name?? Well he is a big name on these shores and would do his legacy a world of good here. Also it's his biggest opportunity for a big purse. Secondly just because in his mind he was ahead against Alvarez (officially he actually wasn't although a tad harsh) that brutal KO almost didn't happen. He is just so deluded about his status and thinks he's too big a name than he is. i just hope Garcia exposes his defence and chin again.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36250271

melv500 wrote:This article sums up why I don't like Khan. Firstly saying Brook isn't a big enough name?? Well he is a big name on these shores and would do his legacy a world of good here. Also it's his biggest opportunity for a big purse. Secondly just because in his mind he was ahead against Alvarez (officially he actually wasn't although a tad harsh) that brutal KO almost didn't happen. He is just so deluded about his status and thinks he's too big a name than he is. i just hope Garcia exposes his defence and chin again.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36250271

Totally agree with you, when he opens his mouth he changes my opinion instantly

He needs to fight Brook, its a massive fight and he makes more money, one more knockout loss and that fight loses its appeal

He won 3 rounds clearly, then Alvarez started figuring him out and started connecting, its not he lost concentration (He does that as well) Its that Alvarez started timing him and then it was goodnight

Won the first 6 rounds? LOL

Agreed BF88.

Khan was always likely to start fast and dart around like a fairy. It was pretty easy to see what was happening once Canelo found his range around round 4, then in round 5 you could sense it was coming and then round 6 BAM. This wasn't a Graham vs Jackson sort of dicking that was turned on one punch and one punch only.

Brave for taking the challenge. But lets not kid ourselves, a 12 rounder is just that - 12 rounds. Not 3, or 4 or whatever. There is absolutely no clamour for a rematch as it wasn't like Khan was particularly impressive that one should be demanded. He threw a few flash combos for a few rounds and then Canelo simply figured him out and timed him.

At least this thing that speed counts for everything (same garbage from the usual suspect) should be debunked in their mind. Timing beats speed.

As for Khan refusing to fight Brook - guy is a joke to boxing. It would fill a stadium over here, do massive numbers like Froch v Groves did on PPV and is by far and a way the biggest money fight he has. As it is he's going to fight Garcia and get KTFO - AGAIN. Retire Amir, boxing don't need jokes.