Merthyr RFC set to become new force in Welsh Rugby
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munkian- Posts : 8456
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When is AWJ signing?
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mikey_dragon wrote:When is AWJ signing?
how are Newport doing mikey.
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mikey_dragon wrote:When is AWJ signing?
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mikey_dragon wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:When is AWJ signing?
Thing is, we could probably afford him. You might jest, but we have the richest owner in the country, and his ambitions are a lot loftier than people would like to believe.
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So are Merthyr going to be like the Man City of the rugby world?
If LD is representative of their fans, it would appear so
If LD is representative of their fans, it would appear so
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BamBam wrote:So are Merthyr going to be like the Man City of the rugby world?
If LD is representative of their fans, it would appear so
We are already getting accused of this.
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LordDowlais wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:When is AWJ signing?
Thing is, we could probably afford him. You might jest, but we have the richest owner in the country, and his ambitions are a lot loftier than people would like to believe.
So when is he signing? Nobody is off limits for Stan. I bet Mat Giteau is on the wishlist too.
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Well I'd tone down the gloating and claims of might/juggernaut/being able to afford anyone, then you may not receive those "accusations"
At the moment, they appear completely based on truth
At the moment, they appear completely based on truth
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BamBam wrote:Well I'd tone down the gloating and claims of might/juggernaut/being able to afford anyone, then you may not receive those "accusations"
At the moment, they appear completely based on truth
Why does it concern you ?
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mikey_dragon wrote:So when is he signing? Nobody is off limits for Stan. I bet Mat Giteau is on the wishlist too.
Do you think it's a bad thing mikey ?
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BamBam wrote:So are Merthyr going to be like the Man City of the rugby world?
If LD is representative of their fans, it would appear so
Yep. We all thought it was great news when Merthyr became a team 'on the up' but if LD is like all their fans then it's basically Ponty No2. They were supposedly going to establish better links with the Blues Region but none of that has happened, unless this season is just a one-off so that they can bring in those players into a winning environment.
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LordDowlais wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:So when is he signing? Nobody is off limits for Stan. I bet Mat Giteau is on the wishlist too.
Do you think it's a bad thing mikey ?
AWJ playing for Merthyr would be terrible. I believe he should be Wales captain and we need him to be playing regular rugby at the highest level.
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LordDowlais wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:So when is he signing? Nobody is off limits for Stan. I bet Mat Giteau is on the wishlist too.
Do you think it's a bad thing mikey ?
I do, I personally feel that the premiership teams should be feeder teams for the regions and develop young players and not buy over the hill players looking for a last pay cheque like Ponty and now Merthyr are doing. However, I have a region to support and if it was my local club I may feel differently and see wining the Welsh Premiership the main goal.
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LordDowlais wrote:BamBam wrote:Well I'd tone down the gloating and claims of might/juggernaut/being able to afford anyone, then you may not receive those "accusations"
At the moment, they appear completely based on truth
Why does it concern you ?
Oh it doesn't, just means you're an even bigger mug than I'd previously thought, which is saying something
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BamBam wrote:If LD is representative of their fans, it would appear so
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True Raven wrote:I do, I personally feel that the premiership teams should be feeder teams for the regions and develop young players and not buy over the hill players looking for a last pay cheque like Ponty and now Merthyr are doing. However, I have a region to support and if it was my local club I may feel differently and see wining the Welsh Premiership the main goal.
OK fine, but for that to work, then it must be a two way street. But Cardiff Blues have said they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff. So how do you think us clubs should do things when it is not a one way street ?
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BamBam wrote:LordDowlais wrote:BamBam wrote:Well I'd tone down the gloating and claims of might/juggernaut/being able to afford anyone, then you may not receive those "accusations"
At the moment, they appear completely based on truth
Why does it concern you ?
Oh it doesn't, just means you're an even bigger mug than I'd previously thought, which is saying something
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mikey_dragon wrote:AWJ playing for Merthyr would be terrible. I believe he should be Wales captain and we need him to be playing regular rugby at the highest level.
I was trying to match your levels of sarcasm mikey, it is blindingly obvious that the players you have mentioned would never be playing in Merthyr. What I am asking is, do you think what Merthyr are doing is a bad thing ?
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LordDowlais wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:AWJ playing for Merthyr would be terrible. I believe he should be Wales captain and we need him to be playing regular rugby at the highest level.
I was trying to match your levels of sarcasm mikey, it is blindingly obvious that the players you have mentioned would never be playing in Merthyr. What I am asking is, do you think what Merthyr are doing is a bad thing ?
No you were actually being serious, and I still can't believe it! To answer this particular question then refer to my post in reply to BamBam.
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mikey_dragon wrote:To answer this particular question then refer to my post in reply to BamBam
BamBam is clueless, he just come's on here to throw insults around. You and he could make a good double act. I take it you mean this reply:-
mikey_dragon wrote:Yep. We all thought it was great news when Merthyr became a team 'on the up' but if LD is like all their fans then it's basically Ponty No2. They were supposedly going to establish better links with the Blues Region but none of that has happened, unless this season is just a one-off so that they can bring in those players into a winning environment.
If this is it, then I will answer. For a start, you bang on about establishing better links with the Blues region, you do realise that they have openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff don't you ? So what would you have the clubs to do ? Just blindly go developing players, at an expense, for Cardiff Blues, with nothing in exchange ? It is a two way street boi bach, and that has been closed at one end by Cardiff Blues.
So I will ask again, do you think what Merthyr are doing is a bad thing ?
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mikey_dragon wrote:No you were actually being serious, and I still can't believe it!
please tell me this is more sarcasm.
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LordDowlais wrote:You do realise that they have openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff don't you ?
You've said that twice now. Have you got a link?
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If this is it, then I will answer. For a start, you bang on about establishing better links with the Blues region, you do realise that they have openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff don't you ? So what would you have the clubs to do ? Just blindly go developing players, at an expense, for Cardiff Blues, with nothing in exchange ? It is a two way street boi bach, and that has been closed at one end by Cardiff Blues.
So I will ask again, do you think what Merthyr are doing is a bad thing ?
When and where was this announcement, word of mouth around the Wern again? From what I read the whole point of Sir Stan investing in Merthyr was to take Ponty's place as the Blues feeder in the valleys and right now it seems that they're taking their place on more than just that front. My post also alluded to why it would be a bad thing to continue with this, and True Raven also did that in his post.
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LordDowlais wrote:mikey_dragon wrote:No you were actually being serious, and I still can't believe it!
please tell me this is more sarcasm.
Hey nobody is off limits, not my words fam.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:LordDowlais wrote:You do realise that they have openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff don't you ?
You've said that twice now. Have you got a link?
Here's a few:-
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/cardiff-blues-stop-providing-players-10432970
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/full-cardiff-blues-interview-caused-10436984
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/cardiff-blues-take-over-cardiff-10987053
Cardiff Blues are now officially a stand alone entity.
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None of those links show the Blues saying they 'want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. None of them.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:None of those links show the Blues saying they 'want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. None of them.
They are now stand alone, they have taken over Cardiff RFC and are not sending any players to any other clubs in the region. There is an interview somewhere with Richard Holland, he announces that they are not going to have anything to do with anybody outside of Cardiff, as soon as I find it I will post it here.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:None of those links show the Blues saying they 'want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. None of them.
Gotta love The Wern chit-chat. It's becoming as bad as Sardis Road chit-chat!
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He says they'll actively be looking to bring players through from the clubs in the region if they're good enough. I don't know how that counts as not having anything to do with the clubs.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:He says they'll actively be looking to bring players through from the clubs in the region if they're good enough. I don't know how that counts as not having anything to do with the clubs.
In other words, he will take players developed by the clubs, but he will not be sending anyone back. Like I said, it's a two way street.
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So based on that alone you're assuming that Cardiff Blues don't want anything to do with Merthyr? That's an incredibly stupid thing to do.
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But that's not the Blues wanting 'nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. It's really not.
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When I get time I will find the interview. I will put it on here and you can read it for yourself.
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I look forward to it.
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This all I can find for a minute:-
LINKS WITH PREMIERSHIP CLUBS
Historically, we have been servicing the two Premiership clubs in Pontypridd and Cardiff RFC.
Rather than servicing down, we want to permit up if there is talent being generated through Pontypridd and Cardiff.
That makes absolute sense to me and the board will be supporting it.
On a weekly basis, between 15-20 of our players get offered to Pontypridd and Cardiff for selection.
We are under no contractual obligation to supply players.
We are effectively paying players to play for the Premiership clubs and that can’t go on.
When you are providing the large majority of their squads, we can’t afford it.
The Premiership clubs have to become self-sufficient.
The bit in bold is what I am alluding to, and he is correct, we do need to be self sufficient. But if that means we keep hold of our best players, then so be it.
LINKS WITH PREMIERSHIP CLUBS
Historically, we have been servicing the two Premiership clubs in Pontypridd and Cardiff RFC.
Rather than servicing down, we want to permit up if there is talent being generated through Pontypridd and Cardiff.
That makes absolute sense to me and the board will be supporting it.
On a weekly basis, between 15-20 of our players get offered to Pontypridd and Cardiff for selection.
We are under no contractual obligation to supply players.
We are effectively paying players to play for the Premiership clubs and that can’t go on.
When you are providing the large majority of their squads, we can’t afford it.
The Premiership clubs have to become self-sufficient.
The bit in bold is what I am alluding to, and he is correct, we do need to be self sufficient. But if that means we keep hold of our best players, then so be it.
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That's in one of the links you posted. But I'm still waiting for a link to the article where the Blues 'openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:That's in one of the links you posted. But I'm still waiting for a link to the article where the Blues 'openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'.
I have read it somewhere. I just need to remember where. I was debating with PhillBB on this thread about it as well.
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Have you tried yourimagination.com?
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Have you tried yourimagination.com?
I know I have read it, something about cutting ties, and looking after themselves.
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But nothing where they say they want nothing to do with anyone outside Cardiff.
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LordDowlais wrote:Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Have you tried yourimagination.com?
I know I have read it, something about cutting ties, and looking after themselves.
Cardiff Blues have never said they want nothing to do with anyone outside of Cardiff. They simply said they could not run a squad 50-60 players and offer most of them out each week to the prem clubs. Ponty and Cardiff have to run their own squads. They still have some players from the blues but not as many due to the smaller squad.
If Cardiff Blues wanted nothing to do with anyone outside of Cardiff then why are they taking B&I cup games to Merthyr and Ponty?
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LordDowlais wrote:This all I can find for a minute:-
LINKS WITH PREMIERSHIP CLUBS
Historically, we have been servicing the two Premiership clubs in Pontypridd and Cardiff RFC.
Rather than servicing down, we want to permit up if there is talent being generated through Pontypridd and Cardiff.
That makes absolute sense to me and the board will be supporting it.
On a weekly basis, between 15-20 of our players get offered to Pontypridd and Cardiff for selection.
We are under no contractual obligation to supply players.
We are effectively paying players to play for the Premiership clubs and that can’t go on.
When you are providing the large majority of their squads, we can’t afford it.
The Premiership clubs have to become self-sufficient.
The bit in bold is what I am alluding to, and he is correct, we do need to be self sufficient. But if that means we keep hold of our best players, then so be it.
I do wonder whether some DH comments are designed to confuse and keep the waters muddy, but there we are.
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LordDowlais wrote:Luckless Pedestrian wrote:LordDowlais wrote:You do realise that they have openly announced that they want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff don't you ?
You've said that twice now. Have you got a link?
Here's a few:-
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/cardiff-blues-stop-providing-players-10432970
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/full-cardiff-blues-interview-caused-10436984
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/cardiff-blues-take-over-cardiff-10987053
Cardiff Blues are now officially a stand alone entity.
They always were standalone mun.
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Don Blues wrote:
If Cardiff Blues wanted nothing to do with anyone outside of Cardiff then why are they taking B&I cup games to Merthyr and Ponty?
Good question.
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Luckless Pedestrian wrote:None of those links show the Blues saying they 'want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. None of them.
He did gain three WOL articles clicks though. Good baiting LD.
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I believe it remains the case that standalone Cardiff are running 2 teams; 1 in the Pro12 and 1 in the Welsh Prem plus they also farm out individuals to other clubs such as Ponty and Merthyr. That must equate to a considerable amount of players on the books.
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RiscaGame wrote:Luckless Pedestrian wrote:None of those links show the Blues saying they 'want nothing to do with anything outside of Cardiff'. None of them.
He did gain three WOL articles clicks though. Good baiting LD.
Cardiff related articles too.
Must be difficult to find amongst the wall-to-wall team Wales stuff which dominates from the start of the season to the end. Then there's the summer tour etc.
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I'm shocked to hear Merthyr aren't even top of the league
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Still not top
Very lucky Aberavon slipped up last night too.
Very lucky Aberavon slipped up last night too.
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RiscaGame wrote:Still not top
Very lucky Aberavon slipped up last night too.
Nevermind, I'm lead to believe they're still above Newport and that's what matters most to this guy.
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