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And particularly for KPF's attention, and for the others to remember the name, young Delhi wicketkeeper batsman Rishabh Pant has now hit the fastest FC ton in India, of 48 balls. This was his 2nd hundred of the game, scored 117 of 106 in the first innings. He scored a triple ton, 308, and another hundred 146 in previous games in the Ranji Trophy this year, and has also scored 80 in another. Failed only 1s this entire season.
And the best thing? The lad is only 19!!
And the best thing? The lad is only 19!!
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possible scenarios for Indiamsp83 wrote:India would also have a few decisions on their combination. KL Rahul's injury means Gambhir would be holding on to his opening spot along with Murali Vijay. But who would come in for Rohit Sharma? Hardik Pandya the all-rounder? Or AKarun Nair the more accomplished batsman who have had squad time earlier also with the test side? Hope it is a lively spinning wicket, and they go in for Pandya at 7, and Shami as the led seamer. Ashwin, Jadeja, to be supported by Amit Mishra. Ishant will be no good. He would let Cook and Hameed settle in, by providing them a training session in leaving the ball, by consistently threatening the wide line!
a)3 spinners + shami+ Pandya
b)2 spinners+ shami+ yadav and Nair
c) 2 spinners + shami + pandya + Nair
d) 3 spinners + shami+ Nair
from scenario a) a couple of days back....I am all for scenario d) on the eve of the game hearing what the pitch is like
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After Donald Trump upset all predictions, looks like it is England's chance. They started pretty well indeed by winning the toss. And India have said 'Nothingdoing' to their collapse at the top, by ensuring every chance that come their way would be dropped. Both Shami and Umesh suffering in their very first overs, Rahane and Kohli dropping the 2 England openers.
It was a dropped catch at slip from Ravindra Jadeja that turned things around for Alastair Cook the batsman and captain in the 2014 series, when it looked like the world was coming crashing down on him.
Now with the generous assistance from Indian fielders, the latest England opening partnership is about to register a half century on debut!
It was a dropped catch at slip from Ravindra Jadeja that turned things around for Alastair Cook the batsman and captain in the 2014 series, when it looked like the world was coming crashing down on him.
Now with the generous assistance from Indian fielders, the latest England opening partnership is about to register a half century on debut!
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On the team front, both sides going in with 3 spinners. The moment Rohit is out, Kohli is back to his 5 bowler strategy, and no half measures in there. It is a pure bowler over the more than serviceable seam bowling of Hardik Pandya as Umesh Yadav retains his place. Amit Mishra comes in for Sharma. Otherwise no changes to the side that thumped New Zealand in the last test. And no walking back in for the 'Leaving Instructor' Ishant either.
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England on the other hand, besides giving young Haseeb Hameed a debut, has retained Ansari over Batty, while Stuart Broad is back for his hundredth test, in place for Steven Finn, from the side that lost to Bangladesh. And Hameed expectedly in for Ballance.
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And Hameed doesn't seem like an out and out blocker, as was projected by many.
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msp83 wrote:And Hameed doesn't seem like an out and out blocker, as was projected by many.
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Some poor cricket already. India on the field, Umpire Chris Gafaney who gave Cook out when the ball was missing leg by quite a bit, and then from Cook, who chose not to review the decision. His and Root's are the most important wickets, should certainly have gone for it.
Anyways Jadeja with the strike for India, but Hameed is settling down, and Root's quickly moved along to 20.
Anyways Jadeja with the strike for India, but Hameed is settling down, and Root's quickly moved along to 20.
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Already 25 overs, another 25 minutes to lunch......
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Argh RE Duckett wicket just gives the session to India
Hameed looked good
Hameed looked good
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A couple of strikes from Ravichandran Ashwin redeems the session for India though Root is looming large...... Ashwin got Hameed LBW, a decision England reviewed when they shouldn't have, and in the last over before lunch, he got Duckett edging to slip where Ajinkya Rahane took an absolutely brilliant catch, making up for his first over miss of Cook.
England 102-3 at lunch. The best thing for them is that Root has gone flying along to 35, of only 50 balls.
England 102-3 at lunch. The best thing for them is that Root has gone flying along to 35, of only 50 balls.
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That wicket indeed turned it India's way , after a promising start ...good to see young Hameed have a decent first hit.
But it will be up to the middle order to save England again.
(Still digesting President Trump so cannot concentrate on this yet...)
But it will be up to the middle order to save England again.
(Still digesting President Trump so cannot concentrate on this yet...)
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Hameed has most certainly looked better than Alex Hales already.
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Hi folks - just catching up on the morning news here. Understand Donald Trump had Ben Duckett caught on the stroke of lunch while Ravi Ashwin is about to become President of the USA - amazing?!
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Nice little stand developing between Joe Root and Moeen Ali...and England need it after losing three in that first session.
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
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guildfordbat wrote:Hi folks - just catching up on the morning news here. Understand Donald Trump had Ben Duckett caught on the stroke of lunch while Ravi Ashwin is about to become President of the USA - amazing?!
Suspect everyone might be better off with Ashwin as President Though I think India would be concerned it might interfere with his day job...
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Interesting selection by both sides : India must feel this will be a good batting surface for a while and the fifth bowler was required ; while England went for the "one of each" plan in choosing their spinners. Or possibly lengthened their batting... I must admit I am a little surprised they left out Batty ; but India have a few right handers I guess.
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alfie wrote:Nice little stand developing between Joe Root and Moeen Ali...and England need it after losing three in that first session.
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
Tbf to Hameed root told him to refer his
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Why have India selected Mishra if he isn't gonna bowl?!
Pitch already has some indifferent bounce
Pitch already has some indifferent bounce
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msp83 wrote:Hameed has most certainly looked better than Alex Hales already.
Only "saw" his innings via text , so can't judge ; but it seems to have been a decent first effort , albeit with a slice of early fortune. Look forward to getting to watch him at some stage in the series - you'd think he will be given a good run in the side.
I am still a bit sad that Hales didn't really fire consistently in the long game , as I felt he could have been a good contrasting type to bat with Cook...but he never really brought his white ball form - or style - to Tests. I did think he might have done well in Australia ; but I doubt we will ever know now...
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:alfie wrote:Nice little stand developing between Joe Root and Moeen Ali...and England need it after losing three in that first session.
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
Tbf to Hameed root told him to refer his
Yes , I noted that...very odd . Joe looked at the umpire first : did he think he saw doubt in his eyes ? A very poor call in any case.
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alfie wrote:Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:alfie wrote:Nice little stand developing between Joe Root and Moeen Ali...and England need it after losing three in that first session.
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
Tbf to Hameed root told him to refer his
Yes , I noted that...very odd . Joe looked at the umpire first : did he think he saw doubt in his eyes ? A very poor call in any case.
I think we've reached that point where not reviewing a Dharmasena decision is a massive mistake. Gotta go with the odds
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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:alfie wrote:Nice little stand developing between Joe Root and Moeen Ali...and England need it after losing three in that first session.
Good fifty for Root
Still mystified as to why Cook didn't refer his (obviously wrong) lbw decision. OK he may have feared it was going to be "umpires call" ; but his is one of the prized wickets and I think he is entitled to use one if there is a serious chance it might save him... Then to compound the error , young Hameed refers his - which was stone dead !
Thought it was supposed to be India who would struggle with the drs ...
Tbf to Hameed root told him to refer his
Yes, saw that on the highlights.
Although this seem harsh on the young debutant, Hameed was though badly at fault in not encouraging Cook to use a review.
Going back a post or two, I share some surprise with Alfie that England left out Batty and preferred Ansari. In the UK Sky studio, Alec Stewart was commenting upon the depth of batting this gave England and referred to Ansari having opened for Surrey. Stewart thought Ansari would bat here at 10 and emphasised the importance of him still having the mindset of a batsman and not thinking of himself as a number 10. Hardly earth shattering insight admittedly. Just mainly common sense which imo Stewart talks a lot of and why I like him.
Showing more Surrey bias, I'll add that I prefer Ian Ward to David Gower as the studio front man. Meanwhile, Olly will be pleased that Dominic Cork appears to have been given the boot for this Test (hopefully the series). However, pleasure there for me, is offset by the return of the oafish Botham.
Root and Moeen continuing to go well in this session and take the score to 174/3. Hard to judge at this early stage of the match but I think nearly all England supporters would have been content to take that now.
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India must really hate Jope Root by now
Hameed needs shooting if it was his call not to refer Cooks lbw. Total facepalm moment.
As it is its the same as usual form Englands top 4, leaving the rest with a mountain to climb. Doesnt matter how many times they shuffle the 2/3/4 slots its the same old depressing failures to make a solid platform.
Hameed needs shooting if it was his call not to refer Cooks lbw. Total facepalm moment.
As it is its the same as usual form Englands top 4, leaving the rest with a mountain to climb. Doesnt matter how many times they shuffle the 2/3/4 slots its the same old depressing failures to make a solid platform.
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msp83 wrote:And Hameed doesn't seem like an out and out blocker, as was projected by many.
Really? He only scored off 12 of 82 balls. He was leaving/defending pretty much everything! Yes he hit a few strokes for four but the problem he has is keeping the strike rotating and scoreboard ticking over with 1's and 2's whilst waiting for the perfect ball to hit.
Im glad we have someone with some stickability but when you think how much abuse Cook and Trott have had over the years for being "slow" scoring this guy is another level. He will have to devleope his game and start to find ways to pick up low risk runs.
Someone to see off the new ball by just styaing in wouldve been nice against Bangladesh where staying in became much easier once it had gone, but Im not entirely convinced that his defence would look so good if there were bounce and spin in this pitch form the start.
alfie wrote:msp83 wrote:Hameed has most certainly looked better than Alex Hales already.
Only "saw" his innings via text , so can't judge ; but it seems to have been a decent first effort , albeit with a slice of early fortune. Look forward to getting to watch him at some stage in the series - you'd think he will be given a good run in the side.
I am still a bit sad that Hales didn't really fire consistently in the long game , as I felt he could have been a good contrasting type to bat with Cook...but he never really brought his white ball form - or style - to Tests. I did think he might have done well in Australia ; but I doubt we will ever know now...
That wouldnt exactly be difficult would it. Hales was a pretty ridiculous selection as a test opener at that point in his career.
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An excellent session for England. 209/3 at tea. Definitely encouraging.
Just the usual word of warning though - one and certainly two quick wickets upon the resumption would give the scoreboard a very different look.
Just the usual word of warning though - one and certainly two quick wickets upon the resumption would give the scoreboard a very different look.
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No doubt Indian fans will be howling about DRS an umpires call now Roots been given Not Out when the ball was shown to clip leg stump.
I suspect though that the review qwas used there more out of desperation to get rid of him than a genuine feeling that a bad umpiring mistake had been made. It wouldve been a very marginal call....and perhaps balances out Roots dismisal.
Even more so with Shami injured England now have the opportunity to use their batting depth to make a challenging score. Worst case they can make this game drawable and avoid the series whitewash which is better than a lot of people were predicting!
Its still not beyond them to be all out for 300 though. This is England.
I suspect though that the review qwas used there more out of desperation to get rid of him than a genuine feeling that a bad umpiring mistake had been made. It wouldve been a very marginal call....and perhaps balances out Roots dismisal.
Even more so with Shami injured England now have the opportunity to use their batting depth to make a challenging score. Worst case they can make this game drawable and avoid the series whitewash which is better than a lot of people were predicting!
Its still not beyond them to be all out for 300 though. This is England.
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Gooseberry wrote:India must really hate Jope Root by now
Hameed needs shooting if it was his call not to refer Cooks lbw. Total facepalm moment.
As it is its the same as usual form Englands top 4, leaving the rest with a mountain to climb. Doesnt matter how many times they shuffle the 2/3/4 slots its the same old depressing failures to make a solid platform.
Slightly unfair ? 102/3 not quite as bad as the recent efforts , I'd have thought. Certainly would have liked more ; but I think it might be a start ...especially as Hameed and Duckett (who was involved in a century opening stand a week or two back) are novices at this level.
Not saying eureka ! yet ; but I'm hopeful.
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Shami back out there ...just a touch of cramp , apparently.
Good fifty for Moeen Good partnership.
Good fifty for Moeen Good partnership.
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And an excellent hundred for young Joe Root
Didn't realize he was the first visiting batsman to make a century in India since 2013 !
Didn't realize he was the first visiting batsman to make a century in India since 2013 !
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alfie wrote:Gooseberry wrote:India must really hate Jope Root by now
Hameed needs shooting if it was his call not to refer Cooks lbw. Total facepalm moment.
As it is its the same as usual form Englands top 4, leaving the rest with a mountain to climb. Doesnt matter how many times they shuffle the 2/3/4 slots its the same old depressing failures to make a solid platform.
Slightly unfair ? 102/3 not quite as bad as the recent efforts , I'd have thought. Certainly would have liked more ; but I think it might be a start ...especially as Hameed and Duckett (who was involved in a century opening stand a week or two back) are novices at this level.
Not saying eureka ! yet ; but I'm hopeful.
Yeah, with you there, Alfie. As regards England's top 4 - overly harsh on Hameed by Goose whilst totally ignoring Root's contribution. Admittedly, the top 4 are some way off firing on all cylinders and may need changes before too long but better today than painted by Goose.
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260/3 now.
Particularly pleased to note the busy nature of the England batting today. Haven't allowed the Indian spinners to roll out a string of maidens at any point...OK it is a day one pitch ; tougher situations await ; but I think this positive approach is the right one.
Moeen very impressive with his use of the feet to Ashwin ; and his manipulation of the field to mix over the top boundaries with long singles.
They have both also worked the ball nicely off their pads ; consequently the score has motored along rather smartly.
270/3 . Good cricket
Particularly pleased to note the busy nature of the England batting today. Haven't allowed the Indian spinners to roll out a string of maidens at any point...OK it is a day one pitch ; tougher situations await ; but I think this positive approach is the right one.
Moeen very impressive with his use of the feet to Ashwin ; and his manipulation of the field to mix over the top boundaries with long singles.
They have both also worked the ball nicely off their pads ; consequently the score has motored along rather smartly.
270/3 . Good cricket
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Root out c&b...after third umpire inspection. Hmm
Mixed feelings on that. Yes I think he did grab it ; but it hadn't really settled in his hands when he tossed it up - and immediately lost control ; and you could tell the bowler was concerned because he then attempted to gather it...
On balance I think "out" is morally correct. But Yadav was a bit lucky ; had he lost that he couldn't really have complained.
Big wicket. Well played Root.
Mixed feelings on that. Yes I think he did grab it ; but it hadn't really settled in his hands when he tossed it up - and immediately lost control ; and you could tell the bowler was concerned because he then attempted to gather it...
On balance I think "out" is morally correct. But Yadav was a bit lucky ; had he lost that he couldn't really have complained.
Big wicket. Well played Root.
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Interesting first day's play.
Unlucky dismissal for Cook - if only they'd reviewed! Hope he can go on to make some big scores this series...he is overdue...
Decent debut by Hameed. Certainly doesn't seem short of confidence. Hopefully he will grow into the role and shore up what has been a desperately creaky opening pair.
Fantastic knocks by Root and Moeen Rescued what was looking like a shaky innings and put us on course for a respectable 400-450. Ought to be defensible, even on a batter-friendly sub-continent wicket.
Rode our luck early on with some dropped catches. We can't afford to be doing that when we field, or Virat and co will put us to the sword.
Unlucky dismissal for Cook - if only they'd reviewed! Hope he can go on to make some big scores this series...he is overdue...
Decent debut by Hameed. Certainly doesn't seem short of confidence. Hopefully he will grow into the role and shore up what has been a desperately creaky opening pair.
Fantastic knocks by Root and Moeen Rescued what was looking like a shaky innings and put us on course for a respectable 400-450. Ought to be defensible, even on a batter-friendly sub-continent wicket.
Rode our luck early on with some dropped catches. We can't afford to be doing that when we field, or Virat and co will put us to the sword.
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Well that turned out to be what you would have to call a very good day for England. Superb from Root and Moeen
Like alfie I have slightly mixed feelings about the Root decision, but Root's first tendency was to walk off I think, so fair enough. Also felt Root was rather fortunate to survive the LBW India referred when he was in the 90's, umpire's call but not by much. Cook really should have reviewed the LBW, live it looked very leg-side to me and was all in all a rather poor decision. Don't have a huge problem with Hameed reviewing his, though it was Root's call, his pad moved a bit after impact and Root may have felt it was drifting past off-stump.
India were a bit sloppy I thought. Dropped catches and some not great ground fielding at times too. Ashwin bowled nicely, but England played him well on a good pitch. Jadeja kept good control, but Mishra was a bit all over the place, and it must be concerning to see Shami struggle with cramp like that. Yadav bowled an excellent spell at the end of the day, and Stokes was rather lucky to survive it.
Looks a pretty flat pitch, but there's a bit of turn there. I suspect England will be more interested though in the reverse swing that both Indian seamers were getting, as well as the odd bit of uneven bounce. Definitely a good toss to win.
For tomorrow, India would be delighted if they could somehow get England out for under 400, it's a very long batting line-up they have*. England will want to get 450+ as a minimum and definitely have the players to do it.
*Speaking of long batting line-ups, anyone catch the stat that 21 of 22 players in this match have a first class century? While I'm rather amazed that Umesh Yadav has one, it does show how much the game has moved on.
Like alfie I have slightly mixed feelings about the Root decision, but Root's first tendency was to walk off I think, so fair enough. Also felt Root was rather fortunate to survive the LBW India referred when he was in the 90's, umpire's call but not by much. Cook really should have reviewed the LBW, live it looked very leg-side to me and was all in all a rather poor decision. Don't have a huge problem with Hameed reviewing his, though it was Root's call, his pad moved a bit after impact and Root may have felt it was drifting past off-stump.
India were a bit sloppy I thought. Dropped catches and some not great ground fielding at times too. Ashwin bowled nicely, but England played him well on a good pitch. Jadeja kept good control, but Mishra was a bit all over the place, and it must be concerning to see Shami struggle with cramp like that. Yadav bowled an excellent spell at the end of the day, and Stokes was rather lucky to survive it.
Looks a pretty flat pitch, but there's a bit of turn there. I suspect England will be more interested though in the reverse swing that both Indian seamers were getting, as well as the odd bit of uneven bounce. Definitely a good toss to win.
For tomorrow, India would be delighted if they could somehow get England out for under 400, it's a very long batting line-up they have*. England will want to get 450+ as a minimum and definitely have the players to do it.
*Speaking of long batting line-ups, anyone catch the stat that 21 of 22 players in this match have a first class century? While I'm rather amazed that Umesh Yadav has one, it does show how much the game has moved on.
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Bit stupid, but out probably correct in the end. Suspect he'll get more than a clip round the ear for it.
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Moeen averages 56 with the bat in tests this year - could he be the long term number 5?
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Re: Eng in India
Given his struggles against the short ball and pace bowling I'd say no, Olly. That said I thought he batted fantastically today.
I'm a stickler for certain things putting me off test batsmen]. For a left-hander especially I can't often look past a liability to be drawn into driving well outside your off stump, early in your innings. This is something that has put me off Moeen as a top order batsmen. Too often I'm seen him go after a wide ball, not on a drive length, with limited footwork, early in his innings.
If he can continue to show the restraint and off stump awareness we saw today I'll be happy to be proved wrong though.
I'm a stickler for certain things putting me off test batsmen]. For a left-hander especially I can't often look past a liability to be drawn into driving well outside your off stump, early in your innings. This is something that has put me off Moeen as a top order batsmen. Too often I'm seen him go after a wide ball, not on a drive length, with limited footwork, early in his innings.
If he can continue to show the restraint and off stump awareness we saw today I'll be happy to be proved wrong though.
king_carlos- Posts : 12688
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Re: Eng in India
Well he's done better than Vince, Ballance (second incarnation), etc. and with no obvious candidates he could be worth persevering with. I'll admit when he first made the team I had a similar view to carlos on whether he'd be a successful Test batsman but I think he's definitely worked on leaving the ball better (was excellent leaving it today when he first came in I thought, it was only later that he played the flowing drives). Also the extra responsibility of batting higher than 8 seems to have really helped him. Slight doubt over the short stuff, but there aren't that many quick bowlers (or more importantly quick pitches) around to exploit that IMO.
Having said that, I think India made a mistake by bowling around the wicket to him so much (the seamers) especially when he first came in. Yes the ball was reversing a bit, but hardly extravagantly, and for me it allowed him to line the ball up too easily. Definitely think going across him causes more trouble.
Having said that, I think India made a mistake by bowling around the wicket to him so much (the seamers) especially when he first came in. Yes the ball was reversing a bit, but hardly extravagantly, and for me it allowed him to line the ball up too easily. Definitely think going across him causes more trouble.
Mad for Chelsea- Posts : 12103
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Re: Eng in India
Moeen deserves a run in the top 6. Alongside Root and Bairstow he has scored most of the runs this year, and has been coming in earlier than a number 7 would ordinarily expect to be, so could be said to have been effectively batting higher anyway
It's not like we are blessed a load of middle order options to try anymore
It's not like we are blessed a load of middle order options to try anymore
VTR- Posts : 5037
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Re: Eng in India
Absolutely brilliant from Root and Ali, putting England very much in control of the first test. Things that started going not right from the toss for India, never really improved with those 3 dropps early in the innings, and though Ashwin swung things back a bit towards lunch, fabulous knocks from Ali and Root helped England absolutely own the day. They have a fine platform, with their batting depth, they have every chance to bat India out of the game.
msp83- Posts : 16103
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Re: Eng in India
Favored Amit Mishra's inclusion here, but he disappointed yet again. Yes its a first day pitch, and Root and Ali were excellent, but Mishra bowled far too many lose, hit me stuff for a bowler of his experience at FC level. This is why he can never be regular test option.......
And after a while, we've had a test wicket in India that looked similar to many a draw tracks that we've had in the past. Not much life for spinners or seamers....... Seems Rajkot is living up to the old ODI reputation! This wasn't a road, of the kind that we find in plenty in Australia these days, but not a very lively track for test cricket. Think it is a track like this that would make toss very significant. The kind of track in Bangladesh, that took spin from the outset, actually give both sides fair enough opportunity.
Hope this would be the only one, always suspected this would happen here.....
And after a while, we've had a test wicket in India that looked similar to many a draw tracks that we've had in the past. Not much life for spinners or seamers....... Seems Rajkot is living up to the old ODI reputation! This wasn't a road, of the kind that we find in plenty in Australia these days, but not a very lively track for test cricket. Think it is a track like this that would make toss very significant. The kind of track in Bangladesh, that took spin from the outset, actually give both sides fair enough opportunity.
Hope this would be the only one, always suspected this would happen here.....
msp83- Posts : 16103
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Re: Eng in India
alfie wrote:Root out c&b...after third umpire inspection. Hmm
Mixed feelings on that. Yes I think he did grab it ; but it hadn't really settled in his hands when he tossed it up - and immediately lost control ; and you could tell the bowler was concerned because he then attempted to gather it...
On balance I think "out" is morally correct. But Yadav was a bit lucky ; had he lost that he couldn't really have complained.
Big wicket. Well played Root.
Not out for me. Yadav's failure to simultaneously control both the ball and his movements (which I understand reflects the current law) overrides any moral right to the wicket. Discussed on Sky's The Verdict - Butcher and Trott with me for the same reason whilst Willis repeatedly asserted it was ''out''. Willis didn't provide much / any explanation other than perhaps suggesting the bowler did take the ball and held onto it sufficiently.
Bit surprised the soft decision from the on-field umpire was ''out''. Not sure he could be evenly reasonably satisfied that the bowler had the ball under control. If in doubt on that and needing to refer, I would have expected an opposite soft call.
Anyway, as most have said, a poor showing from India and a very good day for England. Important now that the visitors build on it
guildfordbat- Posts : 16875
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Re: Eng in India
I'm going to go against the grain and say it was a terrible decision to uphold the Root dismissal, he released the ball in the process of the catch so don't see how it can be given.
Hammersmith harrier- Posts : 12060
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Re: Eng in India
I'm with HH/Guildford - for me that is not out. Yadav wouldn't have reacted to try and catch it again if he was just tossing it up in the air in celebration
Alarm set for 5am - hoping to wake up to Moeen/Stokes pushing England on past 350
If those two can get through the first hour, we have a real chance to bat India out of the game (in terms of them winning the match). India need to pickup a few wickets early
Alarm set for 5am - hoping to wake up to Moeen/Stokes pushing England on past 350
If those two can get through the first hour, we have a real chance to bat India out of the game (in terms of them winning the match). India need to pickup a few wickets early
Good Golly I'm Olly- Tractor Boy
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Re: Eng in India
I thought it was out to be fair. Think he panicked when he cocked up the 'throw it up' celebration and tried to grab it again. Haven't watched the Verdict so don't know what the actual law is at the moment, but I thought he had control of it until he tried to throw it, so out.
As for Moeen in the top 5, his form is undeniable this year - but it is a big ask to get him batting in the top 5 AND be Eng's number 1 spinner and bowl a decent number of overs.
As for Moeen in the top 5, his form is undeniable this year - but it is a big ask to get him batting in the top 5 AND be Eng's number 1 spinner and bowl a decent number of overs.
JDizzle- Posts : 6918
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Re: Eng in India
JDizzle wrote:I thought it was out to be fair. Think he panicked when he cocked up the 'throw it up' celebration and tried to grab it again. Haven't watched the Verdict so don't know what the actual law is at the moment, but I thought he had control of it until he tried to throw it, so out.
As for Moeen in the top 5, his form is undeniable this year - but it is a big ask to get him batting in the top 5 AND be Eng's number 1 spinner and bowl a decent number of overs.
Moeen at 5 would allow you to pick either an extra spinner (so Moeen is the #2 spinner), or another seamer (especially in England, although 5 seamers is a tad overkill) would it not? Just think when he's actually given the responsibility of batting higher up rather than at #8 he plays better.
Good Golly I'm Olly- Tractor Boy
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Re: Eng in India
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:I'm with HH/Guildford - for me that is not out. Yadav wouldn't have reacted to try and catch it again if he was just tossing it up in the air in celebration
Alarm set for 5am - hoping to wake up to Moeen/Stokes pushing England on past 350
If those two can get through the first hour, we have a real chance to bat India out of the game (in terms of them winning the match). India need to pickup a few wickets early
Well at least the worst news you could wake up to tomorrow is another England batting collapse. Might actually help restore some sense of normality in the world
Mad for Chelsea- Posts : 12103
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Re: Eng in India
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:JDizzle wrote:I thought it was out to be fair. Think he panicked when he cocked up the 'throw it up' celebration and tried to grab it again. Haven't watched the Verdict so don't know what the actual law is at the moment, but I thought he had control of it until he tried to throw it, so out.
As for Moeen in the top 5, his form is undeniable this year - but it is a big ask to get him batting in the top 5 AND be Eng's number 1 spinner and bowl a decent number of overs.
Moeen at 5 would allow you to pick either an extra spinner (so Moeen is the #2 spinner), or another seamer (especially in England, although 5 seamers is a tad overkill) would it not? Just think when he's actually given the responsibility of batting higher up rather than at #8 he plays better.
Yeah, my thinking is five seamers would be overkill. Especially as it is likely to be five right arm seamers - Broad, Woakes, Stokes and then two of Anderson (fitness), Finn, Ball or Wood. And I think if you are picking a second spinner he needs to be better than Moeen, otherwise it is almost a waste of a spot as he will hardly bowl, and a holding spinner... Well, you may swell pick a fifth seamer to share the overs. And is there a spinner better than Moeen? Don't reckon so, at the moment.
JDizzle- Posts : 6918
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Re: Eng in India
The team has numerous holes at the moment, the certainties in the 11 when fit seem to be.
1. Cook
2. n/a
3. n/a
4. Root
5. n/a
6. Stokes
7. Ali
8. Bairstow
9. Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson
My way of thinking there is that Ali, Bairstow and Woakes are batting too low down the order so Ali at 5 seems to make sense in that respect but opens up a space for another all-rounder rather than a middle order batsmen. I don't think we need any more bowling options, five is more than adequate but again the all-rounders are arguably better batsmen than the other options we have. Outside of asia I don't the necessity for more than one spinner, the top order is a big big problem.
1. Cook
2. n/a
3. n/a
4. Root
5. n/a
6. Stokes
7. Ali
8. Bairstow
9. Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson
My way of thinking there is that Ali, Bairstow and Woakes are batting too low down the order so Ali at 5 seems to make sense in that respect but opens up a space for another all-rounder rather than a middle order batsmen. I don't think we need any more bowling options, five is more than adequate but again the all-rounders are arguably better batsmen than the other options we have. Outside of asia I don't the necessity for more than one spinner, the top order is a big big problem.
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