Aviva Prem Round 10

by Geordie Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:40 am

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Leicester Tigers v Northampton Saints
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Worcester Warriors v Wasps

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:29 pm

Agree North jumped into the tackle. There's no need to jump he does it entirely to avoid being taken man and ball. North should be in the bin himself.

I thought the try was double movement initially but on the final video he clearly doesn't move forwards. He just takes an age to get his arms free.

by doctor_grey Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:29 pm

nathan wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:North's head bounces off the turf. Should be red.

Shouldn't be, he jumped into the tackle.

He jumped up to grab the ball. He didn't jump into the tackle.

by nathan Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:29 pm

Scottrf wrote:And no he didnt. He lifted himself to get the ball free. His body position didn't change.

Yes he did.

He pivoted on his right elbow which allowed him to push forward with his reach of the ball.

by nathan Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:30 pm

Who ever said they wasn't a fan of the Aussie commentator, think I agree

by nathan Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:31 pm

Whatever your thoughts on the tackle, good to seem north back

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:32 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
nathan wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:North's head bounces off the turf. Should be red.

Shouldn't be, he jumped into the tackle.
He jumped up to grab the ball. He didn't jump into the tackle.

Thompstone is nowhere near him there's not a competition for the ball. The ball is at height where he's doesn't have to jump. He chooses to jump to avoid an immediate hit. He's effectively playing for the decision.

by TightHEAD Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:32 pm

I don't think North should be allowed back on. He was out cold......again.

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:34 pm

Even if you think he isn't entitled to jump there (professional ref and TMO disagree), you can't tackle a man in the air and he commits that action long after he was airbourne.

by nathan Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:34 pm

Scottrf wrote:Either if you think he isn't entitled to jump there (professional ref and TMO disagree), you can't tackle a man in the air and he commits that action long after he was airbourne.

Yeah because a ref and TMO never get a decision wrong do they....

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:36 pm

We are debating whether an action is legal, not what happened. I think they tend to know what is legal, mistakes are in identifying it.

by doctor_grey Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:36 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
nathan wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:North's head bounces off the turf. Should be red.

Shouldn't be, he jumped into the tackle.
He jumped up to grab the ball. He didn't jump into the tackle.

Thompstone is nowhere near him there's not a competition for the ball. The ball is at height where he's doesn't have to jump. He chooses to jump to avoid an immediate hit. He's effectively playing for the decision.

Sorry, mate. Completely disagree. He jumped to get the ball. If he didn't jump he would have had to extend his hands up over his head, looking up at the ball, making him completely vulnerable. No coach would tell his players to do that. Would be nuts.

by nathan Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:38 pm

Scottrf wrote:We are debating whether an action is legal, not what happened. I think they tend to know what is legal, mistakes are in identifying it.

Lol, are we not debating what happened then...

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:39 pm

nathan wrote:
Scottrf wrote:We are debating whether an action is legal, not what happened. I think they tend to know what is legal, mistakes are in identifying it.

Lol, are we not debating what happened then...

No. It's clear what happened. You think him jumping in that scenario is illegal, the fact is that it isn't.

But I'll agree with your probable thoughts on the JJ tackle.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:41 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
nathan wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:North's head bounces off the turf. Should be red.

Shouldn't be, he jumped into the tackle.
He jumped up to grab the ball. He didn't jump into the tackle.

Thompstone is nowhere near him there's not a competition for the ball. The ball is at height where he's doesn't have to jump. He chooses to jump to avoid an immediate hit. He's effectively playing for the decision.
Sorry, mate. Completely disagree. He jumped to get the ball. If he didn't jump he would have had to extend his hands up over his head, looking up at the ball, making him completely vulnerable. No coach would tell his players to do that. Would be nuts.

We'll agree to disagree.

Interesting that JP has decided not to sin bin Hanrahan for a nearly identical tackle to Burrell. Couldn't have anything to do with the relative size of players? Burrell being considerable bigger than Worth whilst Williams has the size advantage on Hanrahan, does it just look worse?

by doctor_grey Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:45 pm

I missed it. What time on the clock did it happen. i will go back and look. I have to get kitted up soon. Playing this afternoon.

One great thing about this sport is we are all brothers-in-arms watching England and now on opposite sides of the trenches with our clubs playing.....

by Welly Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:48 pm

Williams looking good making some big runs

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:52 pm

doctor_grey wrote:I missed it. What time on the clock did it happen. i will go back and look. I have to get kitted up soon. Playing this afternoon.

One great thing about this sport is we are all brothers-in-arms watching England and now on opposite sides of the trenches with our clubs playing.....

The Hanrahan tackle? I dunno. JP gave just a penalty and had a conversation with the TMO. Thompstone was back on by then.

Welly, I think Williams is growing into the 12 role nicely.

by doctor_grey Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:55 pm

Two points at half seems about right. Not the smoothest match I think we have seen.

Gotta go. Watch it without me mates. Enjoy. Nice chilly afternoon.

Later.

by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:58 pm

Aside from JJ inexplicably not getting binned I agree with most of JP's decisions. Thompstone (who has been a stand out player once again) grabs a leg so it's automatically a yellow when North lands on his side. Sadly for the posters on the Northampton Unoffy the fact that he is knocked out is irrelevant. For Haywood's try I think the only movement was to lift himself up to free his arm and the ball, I'd have been fuming if Tigers had a try like that disallowed.

Being brutally honest if it wasn't a derby match it'd be pretty poor. Tigers have a strong bench though so I'm looking forward to seeing the last 25 minutes.

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:05 pm

On the plus side for Saints we made 3 offloads on the gain line in one move, taking us to a total of 3 for the season.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:10 pm

Haywood pushing the limits of what's a straight throw at the lineout. Tigers get pinged for coming across the line.

Tigers look fired up. Need to keep our discipline though.

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:13 pm

Doyle is pretty slow on the holding on call. Thought we got away with it twice there.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:16 pm

Saints close the gap and then he gives not straight. Frustrating but a good call to get into the head of a young hooker. Great turnover to make up for it though.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:32 pm

No offside? Saints gambling on theor try line.

Great turnover from Gibson on BOC. He won't like to see that mugging again.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:38 pm

Saints collapse the scrum going backwards. Touch judge calls Saints backs all offside and JP Doyle plays no advantage to Tigers. Thanks JP.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:40 pm

So boring after watching England.....scrum, scrum, scrum.

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:41 pm

Cracking defense but it's a huge 3 points.

by Scottrf Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:50 pm

Leicester have been so dominant in the rucks.

Well done.

by Welly Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:58 pm

Good stuff 4 points and none for Saints

by king_carlos Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:00 pm

Freddie Burns was excellent and just keeps getting better.

Ed Slater was at close to his best as well. England honours may have passed but he's still a fantastic Prem lock.

Genge got the better of Paul Hill after coming on in the battle of young England props.

Waller is a terrific LH and unlucky that he's playing in a time when England have so many.

by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:02 pm

With the current form of both teams it was never going to feature much flowing, attacking rugby. I thought the second half was much better than the first purely because the physically was ramped up, there's nothing wrong with the big men having a pushing contest. Fantastic goal line defence from Saints, barely ever legal but I'd expect the same from Leicester under those circumstances.

If it was anyone else I'd say they didn't deserve to go away with nothing but it's Northampton so 0 points is still too much boxing

by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:16 pm

Ok so if North isn't knocked out there then is he milking it?

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:17 pm

Sickner at the end for Saints. They didn't deserve nothing from the game. Had someone other than Paterson got the ball out wide and heading for the corner late on the result could have been different.

I thought Ed Slater was everything Tigers needed from their captain. He was my man of the match. Eddie Jones might be having another look at him if this performance is replicated regularly between now and February. Freddie Burns really turned up. His continued work woth Mauger and Murphy is completely transforming his game and with Williams at 12 he's starting to look comfortable. Worth at fullback looked every bit like he belonged at this stage, very assured and for my money better than Foden.

Thought Gibson played out of his skin for Saints. A constant thorn in the side of Tigers.

by Welly Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:21 pm

Waller ain't a international LH though.

Maybe in the time where props only scrums.

by Guest Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:28 pm

It's taken Slater a long time to get back to his pre-injury form but he's definitely getting close now. Crucially for Leicester he was the best captain for years, now his performances have picked up it's time to give him back the position permanently.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:34 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:It's taken Slater a long time to get back to his pre-injury form but he's definitely getting close now. Crucially for Leicester he was the best captain for years, now his performances have picked up it's time to give him back the position permanently.

Completely agree. He's been our best captain since Corry. Leads by example, talks well to the ref and playing like that is undroppable. Louis Deacon used to say he was old school Leicester and would have fit in perfectly with the 2002 team.

by WELL-PAST-IT Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:21 pm

Pity Tigers can't supply 4 forwards to the England cause these days, didn't see the game but sounds like it was a forwards based game, the likes of Hartley, Lawes, Wood and Harrison would have made a big difference.

Trouble is, out management would have probably rested them.

Sorry..................................just frustration with the current state of management, well played Tigers.

by Welly Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:29 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Pity Tigers can't supply 4 forwards to the England cause these days, didn't see the game but sounds like it was a forwards based game, the likes of Hartley, Lawes, Wood and Harrison would have made a big difference.

Trouble is, out management would have probably rested them.

Sorry..................................just frustration with the current state of management, well played Tigers.

You say make a difference but saints hadn't exactly been shining when they had he likes of Lawes, Wood and Harrison in the squad either.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:37 pm

If Wood and Harrison were to have been playing it would have meant your best player by a country mile (Gibson) would have been on the bench. I would also like us to return to the days when our pack was so feared half of it regularly played for England. Maybe if Mike Williams had been fit we could have had two in the pack for England.

by doctor_grey Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:38 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Pity Tigers can't supply 4 forwards to the England cause these days, didn't see the game but sounds like it was a forwards based game, the likes of Hartley, Lawes, Wood and Harrison would have made a big difference.

Trouble is, out management would have probably rested them.

Sorry..................................just frustration with the current state of management, well played Tigers.

as your doctor, your frustration is forgiven. It is an understandable and well researched condition known as coachwtfitis. For short term relief, I prescribe one bourbon, one scotch and one beer.........

I watched the first half, then went out. I thought Leicester up by 2 was pretty fair. Will watch the second half over dinner, though thoroughly expecting to not be happy.

by formerly known as Sam Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:04 pm

Dunno Doc your boys defended for their lives in the second half. Can't fault commitment to the cause. Some nice passages in attack from Saints as well. They just tended to knock on or get turned over when in the Tigers 22.

by Welly Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:58 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:If Wood and Harrison were to have been playing it would have meant your best player by a country mile (Gibson) would have been on the bench. I would also like us to return to the days when our pack was so feared half of it regularly played for England. Maybe if Mike Williams had been fit we could have had two in the pack for England.

We had missin in our starting pack
Ayerza
Cole
Williams

And missing in starting Backs
Youngs
Toomua
Veainu

I mean it wasn't like saints where the only ones missing big players.

by formerly known as Sam Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:29 am

Welly you missed captain Tom Youngs who pulled out before the game. Considering Thacker was not supposed to start I thought he played very well. Nicking one against the head with a quick strike whilst Saints were busy pushing will have impressed Cockers no end. I think he probably headed all the lists for turnovers he was a nightmare, getting through and stopping that driving maul close to the line was brilliant also.

by **LondonTiger** Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:41 am

Sadly though his lineout was misfiring, with at least two overthrown.

All in all we should have dealt much easier than that with a Saints team lacking any confidence and missing the spine of their side.

by formerly known as Sam Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:55 am

I think Thacker miss threw at least one of his two failed lineouts after Saints closed the gap. McGuigan struggled a little with that as well but he managed to hit his man each time.

I thought we did well despite missing our front row and Mike Williams up front as well several backs. At this time of year I'll happily take ground out wins were the points are 4-0 in our favour.

by WELL-PAST-IT Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:59 am

Welly wrote:
WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Pity Tigers can't supply 4 forwards to the England cause these days, didn't see the game but sounds like it was a forwards based game, the likes of Hartley, Lawes, Wood and Harrison would have made a big difference.

Trouble is, out management would have probably rested them.

Sorry..................................just frustration with the current state of management, well played Tigers.

You say make a difference but saints hadn't exactly been shining when they had he likes of Lawes, Wood and Harrison in the squad either.

That Welly is exactly my point, the management do not know what to do with them when they are there.

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:49 pm

21-8 to Falcons.

Great last 20 by the sounds of it with 3 tries to 1. No doubt we'll not get another try!

by mid_gen Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:53 pm

We haven't turned up....again. Ball handling skills non existebt.

Really missing out England players. Dickson seems to be getting worse every game. Swiel having a mare as well

by Geordie Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:05 pm

This is a pleasure to watch....Will Witty is causing havoc.

What a player he is turning into!

by Sgt_Pooly Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:14 pm

TBP!!!! Aaaggghhhh

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