Tactical Voting.

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It looks as if this election will have one in three voters already stated as being up for voting for the party that they do not necessarily approve of the most but instead voting for the party that is most likely to stand a realistic chance of winning.

The Green Party's Caroline Lucas is leading the way in encouraging this,so as to supplant The Conservative Party.
Corbyn,in my opinion,is running scared of endorsing the concept. As in the last general election, the leader of her Majesty's opposition refuses to give The Daily Mail its narrative (coalition of chaos),which it simply runs with anyway
I can understand that the message must be put out, "we are strong too", but the truth is that Labour can't win alone. Business-as-usual politics then.
Why doesn't Corbyn throw caution to the wind and come out 'all guns blazing' instead of this banality-fest of facts and figures that we are being served..

Over 20 years since I went but I do agree there are too many courses..

Apparently twitter is calling it for Sturgeon..Lucas second.

Depends on the viewing figures as to resonance.

I probably favour a system like HH suggested where certain courses that fill skills shortages etc are paid up but others retain fees

All a bit pointless without May and Corbs. Everyone bar Nuttall was basically given free hit after free hit.

Should imagine this reason might be,that since New Labour believed everything that came out of that champagne socialist,Helena Kennedy Report in 2000(or thereabouts),where she came out with an arbitrary figure of 50℅of kids should 'return to learning' in the further education sector, no-one has through of challenging this government target.
I suspect that a lot of "vocational" courses are mickey mouse, all about bums on chairs.

GSC wrote:Science courses are capped arent they. Did chem before they went up.

Not as such. Medicine, Pharmacy etc are.

andygf wrote:Should imagine this reason might be,that since New Labour believed everything that came out of that champagne socialist,Helena Kennedy Report in 2000(or thereabouts),where she came out with an arbitrary figure of 50℅of kids should 'return to learning' in the further education sector, no-one has through of challenging this government target.
I suspect that  a lot of "vocational" courses are mickey  mouse, all about bums on chairs.

Of course it is, when finance is so wrapped up in those bums and the Government have progressively eviscerated HE. Not a unique situation nationwide, by any means, but so typical of the modern 'know the cost of everything, but the value of nothing' politicians.
I don't think Kennedy's conclusions were a bad thing, but no-one talked about what that really meant in terms of actual education and/or finances. When the fees went to £9k, no-one talked about value-added to the U.K., what it cost on general taxation or the fact that U.K. Gov had ripped ~80% of the central grant to all Universities out of the system.

GSC wrote:All a bit pointless without May and Corbs. Everyone bar Nuttall was basically given free hit after free hit.

Didn't bother watching, but this is exactly the sort of BS we have for politics now. Who was moderating this so-called debate? Why were the others not challenged to defend their own policies and, when they avoid the questions, have their feet held to the fire until they actually answer?

It isn't pointless...Two hours of publicity in front of 2/3 million sticking the boot into Con and Lab...Is the stuff dreams are made of.

Especially for Tim who is in desperate need of a starter motor.

Lest we forget that the Libs have several 50/50 seats with the blue and red team.

Corbyn missed an opportunity....

Americans on the unemployment roll is at a 28 and a 1/2 year low..

It's good news.

Unemployment down here too...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:Actually agree with Nuttall, too many go for Uni for the sake of it.

How do you know ??

Experience.

Crap answer...But it's the only one you have got.

And all you've got is a worthless scrap of paper from Keele....

GSC wrote:I probably favour a system like HH suggested where certain courses that fill skills shortages etc are paid up but others retain fees

Bit like a points based immigration system. Sciences, law, medicine, classical Uni subjects etc benefit from gov't subsidy, whimsical courses that either shouldn't exist or would be better taught in technical colleges (needing ony 2 years say) don't get the subsidy. They'd swiftly die out.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:Actually agree with Nuttall, too many go for Uni for the sake of it.

How do you know ??

Experience.

Crap answer...But it's the only one you have got.

And all you've got is a worthless crap of paper from Keele....

Well you can't say fairer than that...

This "Dementia" tax is hitting the carpet quicker than Duty in the Oyster bar...

As this Tory manifesto is based around the best Brexit possible.

Guess we can flush it down the can..

It seems that it's ALL about personality and no policies..Corbyn has his cult following,May knows that the public will always think the Cons are a bunch of Knut's,so she says "I will do such and such" ,rather than "we".
Getting more presidential don't you think,and this was supposed to be waved away with TB's departure. .
Tories will always vote Tory,+(plus UKIP is dead now) liberals have three or four parties to split the vote. .
There's no point in them actually releasing their manifesto, no-one reads it anyway,and if its anything like last time,it wont be implemented anyhow ..
Eradicate the deficit? Who are they trying to kid ??

Neither party can do their maths so perhaps it is better this way Andy..

Hammond was 20 billion out on the cost of HS2 and as for Diane Abbott.

What you do have though are two distinctly different visions to choose from...

Be grateful for that....perhaps.

People certaintly can't say they don't have a choice anymore. 70s Tory versus 70s Labour. None of this centrist rubbish that kept peace and prosperity going for a long old while before things went awry and people looked to blame everyone but themselves.