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Joke fights here we come!!
So it's confirmed.....mayweather vs Conor McGregor.
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?
TheSquaredCircle- Posts : 110
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You're damn right it's a joke fight! We all know what's going to happen.
Conor will lose a scripted fight against a tranny.
Conor will lose a scripted fight against a tranny.
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It'll probably be another pac may style anti-climax. Mainly a treat for the glitterati who want there hands on a ticket to make maximum exhibit of their monetary prowess.
TheSquaredCircle- Posts : 110
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Typically underwhelming Mayweather choice of opponent
Forgivable though if Floyd using this as a stay in shape fight with the intention of fighting winner Spence/Thurman next summer
Fighting Spence or Thurman would be a stylish way for Mayweather to finish his career
Just can't believe anyone could be interested in watching him fight McGregor just don't get the interest in the fight at all wouldn't even stay up to watch it
Forgivable though if Floyd using this as a stay in shape fight with the intention of fighting winner Spence/Thurman next summer
Fighting Spence or Thurman would be a stylish way for Mayweather to finish his career
Just can't believe anyone could be interested in watching him fight McGregor just don't get the interest in the fight at all wouldn't even stay up to watch it
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Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
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From a business perspective you have to give mcgregor his due. as for Floyd, well TBE is following in the footsteps of the greatest, ali.
We can only hope that like the boxers v wrestlers/sumo etc from the past, that it's a one off.
I'll try and bury my head in the sand while panto season kicks off.
We can only hope that like the boxers v wrestlers/sumo etc from the past, that it's a one off.
I'll try and bury my head in the sand while panto season kicks off.
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AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim) a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
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Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.Herman Jaeger wrote:AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim) a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
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I am definitely on the side of camp, that this fight is a farce. The build up will be trashy, but entertaining none the less.
Floyd would beat Thurman/Garcia in a one sided boring decision. The same will happen with Conor, but he makes 10 times the money! Real fans might hate it, but this is all about making money. Nothing else!
The good news for boxing fans, is Canelo and GGG is just after this. Also Ward vs Kovalev before it.
I believe everybody on here will watch the fight, even if they claim they won't.
Floyd would beat Thurman/Garcia in a one sided boring decision. The same will happen with Conor, but he makes 10 times the money! Real fans might hate it, but this is all about making money. Nothing else!
The good news for boxing fans, is Canelo and GGG is just after this. Also Ward vs Kovalev before it.
I believe everybody on here will watch the fight, even if they claim they won't.
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Scottrf wrote:Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.Herman Jaeger wrote:AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim) a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
Who do you want me to fight?
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Herman Jaeger wrote:Scottrf wrote:Lets see you get in the ring and donate your purse first.Herman Jaeger wrote:AdamT wrote:Fight Spence for 40mill and slightly enhance your legacy?
Fight a novice in a joke fight, make 300m and add nothing to your resume?
I know what I would do.
You know what would be a lovely move from Floyd seeing as he will never be able to spend the interest off his interest(provided Ellerbe doesn't overskim) a touch of philanthropy , give his entire purse to good causes. We all know that's not going to happen but if ever a human being could use winning a few hearts and minds that person would be Floyd
Who do you want me to fight?
If you're any good, Hammersmith would be my choice!
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AdamT wrote:I am definitely on the side of camp, that this fight is a farce. The build up will be trashy, but entertaining none the less.
Floyd would beat Thurman/Garcia in a one sided boring decision. The same will happen with Conor, but he makes 10 times the money! Real fans might hate it, but this is all about making money. Nothing else!
The good news for boxing fans, is Canelo and GGG is just after this. Also Ward vs Kovalev before it.
I believe everybody on here will watch the fight, even if they claim they won't.
Agree - plus, love him or hate him, everyone will watch Mayweather in the hope he either gets sparked - or just to watch him embarrass Conor.
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Conor might kick him in the head. Who knows what can happen?
AdamT- Posts : 6651
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This is not the same thing as Ali v the Japanese wrestler. That 'fight' was an exhibition. Mayweather v McGregor is being sold to the public as a serious fight.
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Sorry Adam but I don't beat up the handicapped.
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Thats a relief I wouldn't like to see hammer on a bad day
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:Sorry Adam but I don't beat up the handicapped.
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TheSquaredCircle wrote:So it's confirmed.....mayweather vs Conor McGregor.
The lay public and mostly MMA fans will be most enthused by this fight. I think it's the start of a WWE style entertainment farce. People will be going crazy on social media about the legitimacy of this fight and how it's the greatest thing to ever happen. The reality is that it is chalk and cheese fighting......might as well pair Andy Murray up with Freddy flintoff for the WBA belt. The spanner in the works could be mayweather along lay off and age. Is this a horrendous scam fight or should we be excited that boxing is reaching even more platforms?
Boxing became a farce long ago, you just haven't realised yet
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Atila wrote:This is not the same thing as Ali v the Japanese wrestler. That 'fight' was an exhibition. Mayweather v McGregor is being sold to the public as a serious fight.
You know that, I know that and we both know it's going to crop up as an excuse!
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You guys have short memories.
These sort of match ups are part and parcel of boxing
Ali had a few exhibition fights with Japanese wrestlers
Forman fought 5 guys in 1 night
Primo fought a Kangaroo
David Haye fought Harrison
So this exhibition farce is nothing new.
I look at it this way its not a fight that we as purists should acknowledge but for the infamous moderate fans who really have no understanding of the game.
These sort of match ups are part and parcel of boxing
Ali had a few exhibition fights with Japanese wrestlers
Forman fought 5 guys in 1 night
Primo fought a Kangaroo
David Haye fought Harrison
So this exhibition farce is nothing new.
I look at it this way its not a fight that we as purists should acknowledge but for the infamous moderate fans who really have no understanding of the game.
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It will be no worse than Bellew v Nathan
As I predicted, There will be a lawsuit if Conor kicks Floyd. He boxes, or he loses a lot of money. I knew this stipulation would be added.
As I predicted, There will be a lawsuit if Conor kicks Floyd. He boxes, or he loses a lot of money. I knew this stipulation would be added.
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Anyone who thinks Connor has any chance in this fight is crazy
If Floyd wants to he can end this inside a round
We all know what happens if boxers get caught flush on the chin, Floyd just needs to land even remotely clean and this fight is over
Its a novice vs one of the all time greats
Floyd will probably drop him sooner than he expects then back off to make it less of a farce
Unless they stack the undercard with interesting fights, I won't be watching
If Floyd wants to he can end this inside a round
We all know what happens if boxers get caught flush on the chin, Floyd just needs to land even remotely clean and this fight is over
Its a novice vs one of the all time greats
Floyd will probably drop him sooner than he expects then back off to make it less of a farce
Unless they stack the undercard with interesting fights, I won't be watching
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I don't think Floyd can end this in a round. He is a far superior boxer, but he is smaller and Conor can take a shot. This at least goes 9 rounds. I think it will go the distance.
Floyd doesn't care about winning in style. He just wants huge money and to make sure he wins.
Floyd doesn't care about winning in style. He just wants huge money and to make sure he wins.
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BoxingFan88 wrote:Anyone who thinks Connor has any chance in this fight is crazy
If Floyd wants to he can end this inside a round
We all know what happens if boxers get caught flush on the chin, Floyd just needs to land even remotely clean and this fight is over
Its a novice vs one of the all time greats
Floyd will probably drop him sooner than he expects then back off to make it less of a farce
Unless they stack the undercard with interesting fights, I won't be watching
You obviously are crazy, while it may be hard for McGregor to win the fight if you think Mayweather can win easily by knockout you are crazy
MMA fighters pack a bigger punch than boxing and that will negate much of McGregors power
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MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
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You guys drastically under estimate how bad of a mismatch this is
Punching is about a delivery system, just as much as strength
Floyd would put himself in a position to land clean on the chin
Just wait and see
Punching is about a delivery system, just as much as strength
Floyd would put himself in a position to land clean on the chin
Just wait and see
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
A sport that is about PUNCHING, is not as good at punching as MMA
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect
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marty2086 wrote:Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect
That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.
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The standard is lower than he's fought in his last 40 professional fights. Probably ever.marty2086 wrote:You obviously are crazy, while it may be hard for McGregor to win the fight if you think Mayweather can win easily by knockout you are crazy
MMA fighters pack a bigger punch than boxing and that will negate much of McGregors power
McGregor has 0 boxing fights. His boxing is against guys worrying about takedowns. He looks absolutely horrible boxing. Mayweather has decent power, and McGregor wont be used to the speed. KO at nearly evens is a steal IMO.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:marty2086 wrote:Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect
That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.
Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that
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marty2086 wrote:
Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that
Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.
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marty2086 wrote:Hammersmith harrier wrote:marty2086 wrote:Hammersmith harrier wrote:MMA fighters don't punch harder at all, what an odd statement.
I said they pack a bigger punch, the difference in gloves offers less protection so the punches have a greater effect
That doesn't affect punch power in the slightest.
Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that
That isn't power is it Marty.
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Scottrf wrote:marty2086 wrote:
Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that
Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.
It does both
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marty2086 wrote:Scottrf wrote:marty2086 wrote:
Take a shot from someone with a boxing glove then have them hit you with an MMA one on then try telling me that
Maybe it hurts more but I don't think you understand the mechanics of a knockout. It's about displacement, and the padding serves to protect the hands not the brain.
It does both
Marty it appears your trying to go upstream without a paddle.
This has nothing to do with power AT ALL.
If I punch you full on in the face with ice on my hands, gloves on or even tea towels, the punches will be thrown the same way, same power, all with different effects due to padding.
Nothing to do with power
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No it doesn't hence why they've got rid of headguards in amateur boxing.
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MMA fighters don't hit harder.
Punch power is about timing and speed, as well as brute force. Though with Conor being the bigger guy, power might not be the issue.
He will struggle very badly with Floyd's speed and movement. Conor has good timing in mma, but he has never seen anyone with Mayweather speed. People talk about age, but Floyd will be the one that looks 28.
It's a mismatch, but I will watch. F..k it!
Punch power is about timing and speed, as well as brute force. Though with Conor being the bigger guy, power might not be the issue.
He will struggle very badly with Floyd's speed and movement. Conor has good timing in mma, but he has never seen anyone with Mayweather speed. People talk about age, but Floyd will be the one that looks 28.
It's a mismatch, but I will watch. F..k it!
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http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/vault/boxing/hits-harder-mma-vs-boxing-gloves
Using an instrumented heavy bag that measures force, National Geographic took former UFC Heavyweight champion Bas Rutten into the gym to have him punch the bag without wearing gloves, wearing MMA gloves, and again with a boxing glove.
The study showed that without a glove, the bare-fist bone-on-bone strike landed almost 370kilos of force, causing the brain to rattle against the skull and could possibly injure the strikers hand.
The MMA gloves are 2CM worth of padding which lessoned the strike to 295kilos, while adding extra protection for the knuckles and hands.
While the boxing glove has many times the padding of MMA gloves, 6CM worth of foam was able to create 290 kilos worth of force…just 5 kilos lighter than the MMA gloves.
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And obviously it's inconceivable that a professional specialist could bridge a 1.7% gap in power, with the added protection to hands. Not to mention the fight being 2.4 times as long.
Sounds like the most unscientific test ever too. First link you found?
Sounds like the most unscientific test ever too. First link you found?
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If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.
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marty2086 wrote:http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/vault/boxing/hits-harder-mma-vs-boxing-glovesUsing an instrumented heavy bag that measures force, National Geographic took former UFC Heavyweight champion Bas Rutten into the gym to have him punch the bag without wearing gloves, wearing MMA gloves, and again with a boxing glove.
The study showed that without a glove, the bare-fist bone-on-bone strike landed almost 370kilos of force, causing the brain to rattle against the skull and could possibly injure the strikers hand.
The MMA gloves are 2CM worth of padding which lessoned the strike to 295kilos, while adding extra protection for the knuckles and hands.
While the boxing glove has many times the padding of MMA gloves, 6CM worth of foam was able to create 290 kilos worth of force…just 5 kilos lighter than the MMA gloves.
Marty they will both be wearing boxing gloves mate
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AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.
MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
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And Hopkins said MMA was homosexual How wrong was he.marty2086 wrote:AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.
MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
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Scottrf wrote:And Hopkins said MMA was homosexual How wrong was he.marty2086 wrote:AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.
MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
Obviously hadn't watched Mayweather fight, seems to be a grappling expert
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That article is actually about impact force not power Marty, the smaller surface area of a fist compared to a glove increases the impact.
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Kind of like arguing over whether Ashton Eaton is wearing flats or spikes to race Mo Farah.
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marty2086 wrote:AdamT wrote:If Floyd stops Conor, it will be due to accumulation and fatigue. Floyd will not miss. Also I think Floyd will work his body a lot. Conor has shown stamina issues in MMA. Boxing has 12 rounds, MMA just has 5.
MMA also has grappling, his stamina has suffered when he gets taken to ground and had a bigger guy lying on him
Wasn't too much grappling in the Diaz fights. Also he is meant to be conditioned for grappling. Is he conditioned to take punches from the best boxer in the sport? Floyd is a defensive genius, but if he decides to let his hands go, he could give Conor a beating.
I think he will throw plenty of straight rights and work the body to slow Conor down.
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You guys really under rate Floyds power
I watched an interview with Mosley where he said that Floyd hits as hard as Canelo
I watched an interview with Mosley where he said that Floyd hits as hard as Canelo
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Cake Walk for Floyd and as has been said, complete mismatch...
That being said I dont think Mayweather will KO him at all let alone with ease. He may stop him late but as has been said that will be down to an accumilation of punches not one punch...regardless of Mosleys belief that he hits as hard as Canelo (is that even saying much given he couldnt take out a shocking Chavez or Matthew Hatton)..
The fight is at 154lbs....and Conor will be the much bigger man come fight night (around 170lbs) and his chin is nothing to be snuffed at when you factor in he has never been stopped and has fought plenty of big hitters in MMA who wear 8ounce gloves (which does make a difference).
Can McGregor win...sure...but i've a better chance of winning the Euromillions and I dont play it!
Is the fight bad for boxing...not particularly if you take it for what it is.. a novelty match up (one im far more interested in than him coming back to fight a Berto type etc). I'll enjoy the build and will tune in for the fight, as I can see the likes of Davies and some other guys on the bill.
That being said I dont think Mayweather will KO him at all let alone with ease. He may stop him late but as has been said that will be down to an accumilation of punches not one punch...regardless of Mosleys belief that he hits as hard as Canelo (is that even saying much given he couldnt take out a shocking Chavez or Matthew Hatton)..
The fight is at 154lbs....and Conor will be the much bigger man come fight night (around 170lbs) and his chin is nothing to be snuffed at when you factor in he has never been stopped and has fought plenty of big hitters in MMA who wear 8ounce gloves (which does make a difference).
Can McGregor win...sure...but i've a better chance of winning the Euromillions and I dont play it!
Is the fight bad for boxing...not particularly if you take it for what it is.. a novelty match up (one im far more interested in than him coming back to fight a Berto type etc). I'll enjoy the build and will tune in for the fight, as I can see the likes of Davies and some other guys on the bill.
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Got to hand it to floyd. His astute tunnel visioned business acumen knows no bounds. This fight has a novelty factor which has the lay fight fan drooling uncontrollably. For the purist it has the hallmarks of a joke match up to line the pockets of one man and one man only. I guess from his perspective if you can do that then why not?!? Does it leave a legacy for the purists, it doesn't for me.
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