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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 26 Jun 2017, 11:44 am

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In the fast paced nature of international cricket, we are just over a week away from the first of four test matches between SA and England - should be a good one.

South Africa have named their squad...missing some big names in Steyn, ABDV - also no Dane Piedt, Stephen Cook either.

South Africa squad: Faf du Plessis (captain), Hashim Amla, Temba Bavuma, Theunis de Bruyn, Quinton de Kock, JP Duminy, Dean Elgar, Heino Kuhn, Keshav Maharaj, Aiden Markram, Morne Morkel, Chris Morris, Duanne Olivier, Andile Phehlukwayo, Vernon Philander, Kagiso Rabada.

Still a very strong team - especially in the seam bowling ranks. Although with Faf missing the first test, the batting is reliant on Amla and De Kock I feel

England have a few injury concerns - particularly Stuart Broad - any thoughts on the SA squad, and potential England one?
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:34 pm

Ha

" Getting TRJ on strike" proving a questionable tactic as he races to21...

Useful runs. Morris going round the park . Six was a bit of a mishit - but a rotten ball and deserved the treatment.

And now Toby plays perhaps his best stroke in blocking that Rabada Yorker clap
He is clearly no mug with the bat .

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:36 pm

The pull for four after the Yorker from Rabada was a very decent shot as well.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:37 pm

Dammit, he is out now.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:37 pm

I think I may have reviewed that, looked to be possibly missing leg stump...
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:39 pm

Maharaj does the trick ...but that partnership has taken the score to 316 , quickly.

I thought overnight 330 was about where this was headed : wont be far away.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:39 pm

Useful 25 from TRJ there - moved the game along nicely, and we edge closer to 350...
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:40 pm

eirebilly wrote:I think I may have reviewed that, looked to be possibly missing leg stump...

No ...dead on I think. So does hawk eye.

Leaves a review for Broad Smile

Maharaj has bowled well again OK

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:41 pm

Never thought I'd see the day when South Africa produced a half decent spinner. This lad Maharaj looks a top bowler.

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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:43 pm

Same tactics again ...givingStokes the single. A little more sense with Broad in ; but I still dislike it.

As a bowler I would hate it !

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:43 pm

alfie wrote:
eirebilly wrote:I think I may have reviewed that, looked to be possibly missing leg stump...

No ...dead on I think.  So does hawk eye.

Leaves a review for Broad Smile

Maharaj has bowled well again OK

Didn't see Hawkeye, just saw the replay and looked to be going down leg. Fair dues though.
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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:47 pm

350 puts you in the game I think, England's bowlers should enjoy these conditions, SA will need to bat well to get in position to force a win
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Post by KP_fan Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:49 pm

Stokes' might have played the inning that has swung the match Eng's way
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:53 pm

Not altogether surprised to see Stokes launching Maharaj into orbit...

Will he go after Rabada now ? No ...singles it is.

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:54 pm

Broad gone now, will Stokes get a ton? The way he has batted today he certainly deserves one.
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:54 pm

Broad gone ...

Can Jimmy see Stokes to his hundred ? He deserves one.

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 2:55 pm

Considering the conditions, this is already a very competitive total.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm

Well done Stokes clap
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Post by JDizzle Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm

Fabulous innings from Ben Stokes. Very well batted.

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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:00 pm

That's the way to get a hundred Yahoo

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:02 pm

Stokes clap

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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:03 pm

Not just getting his hundred but England are just about 350...

This has been truly excellent from Stokes. If Jimmy can nibble a few singles he might do more damage yet.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:03 pm

3 sixes in a row

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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:06 pm

Jimmy holding out so Stokes gets another shot at Maharaj...or not. Morsel back.

Spoilsport , Faf Smile

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:08 pm

Innings over but 353 is a very competitive score.

Excellent from Cook and brilliant from Stokes.

There is a lot of movement out there for Jimmy, he will relish bowling in these conditions.
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:11 pm

353 then. Wonderful Stokes innings comes to an end clap

I'm fine with Ben continuing to go after them...England ended up adding 182 today off just 44 overs and I reckon that is a bit over par considering the conditions.

Now we shall see if England can use the conditions with a new ball...

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:11 pm

Was gonna say 350 is a good score before Stokes got the 100 but didn't wanna jinx it (I can't escape jinxes, I haven't watched a penalty in 90 mins in years)

Competitive without being match-defining, you'd expect. These are good conditions for English bowlers.

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Post by LionsV2 Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:13 pm

Stokes looks much more suited to playing at 6 and his counter attacking ability at times is frightening, the issue is then having Bairstow and Ali at 7/8.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:13 pm

Stokes gone. Obviously didn't have faith in Anderson hanging round for long...

No problem though - 20 minute session with the new ball before the tea interval and then back fresh after, and in what should be reasonably helpful conditions for Jimmy A.

350 may not be a great score, but it's better than most of us probably expected when Stokes came in at 120-4

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 3:13 pm

353 all out - considering the conditions yesterday, I think that's a good total first up. If England bowl well here, you'd think they can skittle SA out for below that.

Both Stokes/Moeen now have the same amount of test hundreds as Flintoff did his entire career.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:18 pm

I hate this Umpires decision when it comes to review, why have a review system? Out is out as far as I am concerned and Amla was out there.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:25 pm

Good move from Root to get Roland Jones into the attack early - Anderson wasn't bowling well and TRJ gets Elgar
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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:25 pm

Don't mind umpires call but you shouldn't lose a review if it is.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:27 pm

And he gets Kuhn too!
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:30 pm

How can the umpires then check for a No-ball if it has not been reviewed? Checking for a No-ball is part of the review process...
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Post by sirfredperry Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:37 pm

Am I right in saying that the rule is soon to be changed and if it's umpire's call it's not out, BUT THE FIELDING SIDE DO NOT LOSE A REVIEW ? Certainly seems fairer.

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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:40 pm

I think the only question left is when TRJ breaks Muralis record
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:46 pm

Must admit to thinking that Roland-Jones was a mistake for this test, never been happier to be wrong than I am now.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:51 pm

Jimmy may not have had a good first few overs but I would rest Broad now and get Jimmy on with Roland-Jones.
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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:53 pm

I'd get Stokes on, made a century, confidence should be up.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:56 pm

Stokes, to me, is better with the older ball. I would give Jimmy another couple of overs whilst the ball is still fairly new.

Roland-Jones again, that's 4 clap
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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 4:57 pm

GSC wrote:I think the only question left is when TRJ breaks Muralis record

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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:00 pm

Should have been on a hatrick now as well...
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:02 pm

Oh Jimmy Very Happy
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Post by alfie Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:02 pm

Game moving on , eh ?

Where has this Roland-Jones chap been hiding ?

Not a bad bag of four to start your career Smile

And now Jimmy gets in on the act...

SA 47/5

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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:03 pm

Faf gone
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:03 pm

I knew Jimmy was the right call there thumbsup
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:03 pm

Wow. A test series of decisive wins each game

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Post by Hibbz Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:04 pm

eirebilly wrote:I hate this Umpires decision when it comes to review, why have a review system? Out is out as far as I am concerned and Amla was out there.

Irritates me also but I can just about see the reasoning I guess. I was more irked by the commentators criticising the decision to review with one of them saying (Botham I think quelle surprise) "it didn't have a lot going for it". What other than the fact it was hitting the stumps you mean?

Hardly looks like costing England though. Great bowling effort.

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Post by GSC Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:05 pm

4 more presuming Philander isn't here. England might fancy another crack tonight at this rate.
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Post by eirebilly Fri 28 Jul 2017, 5:08 pm

GSC wrote:4 more presuming Philander isn't here. England might fancy another crack tonight at this rate.

You would not enforce the follow on?

Difficult decision (should it arise) as the conditions suit England's bowlers perfectly so you would expect them to perform again but then again, day 2 and the chance to build a big lead does also play a role. Not sure what I would do yet.
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