How can Wales beat New Zealand?

Maybe if they play in white or green instead of red they'll beat them, IMO.

Last time Wales beat New Zealand Wales were wearing red. In fact, 100% of Wales' wins v New Zealand they were wearing red. 100%.

Lions play in red don't they?

I dont think Wales are too far off to be honest. Maybe they need a good sports psychologist to give them the belief. I think if Schmidt was Wales coach they would beat the ABs.

Mods really, you're still letting this ghost run around on here?

They can't

By scoring more points

As my son would say, with commitment, patience and self confidence

I believe giving them food poisoning is tradional isnt it ?

Make sure half of the New Zealand team pick up a red card  in the first half.

Warburtons out for the autumn tests, so maybe they have a chance this time?

England have been quite clever mind.

When was the last time they played New Zealand ?

You bet your bottom dollar, that by the time the World cup draw comes around, there will be fixtures aplenty for England and New Zealand, until then though, lets keep the rankings up.

Best 2 teams in the world though.

Well, well, well, who'd have thought it, just as I predicted:-

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/england-and-all-blacks-to-finally-meet-again-in-2018-1.3219356

No fixture between these two for four years, that's how you keep your rankings up for an easy world cup group.

LD, don't play the victim when you get called out for knowing feck all about how rankings are calculated when you bring England into a Wales/NZ thread for no reason

Obviously completely ignore this bit of the article

Due to a quirk of the international fixture list, the rivals met five times in one year but have not clashed since 2014 — a frustrating hiatus that led to aborted attempts to arrange a match this autumn.

I am reading that, but all I am seeing is no fixture between the two for four years. No wonder England went on such a good unbeaten run, they were the only team not to play New Zealand.

And they were actually quite good obviously. NZ went on their run without being beaten by England for example. Best 2 teams in the world with or without official rankings.

From 1 Jan 2014 to now, excluding RWC games

England fixtures vs NZ - 4
England fixtures vs Aus - 5
England fixtures vs SA - 2

Wales fixtures vs NZ - 4
Wales fixtures vs Aus - 2
Wales fixtures vs SA - 4

No wonder Wales are in the top 10 of the rankings, they'd be about 15th if they weren't artificially inflating their ranking against Tier 2 nations

So what you are saying is we have only played 8 fixtures between New Zealand, South Africa, and Australia in 4 years, even though we play them every year and tour there. I will have to check this. But all I know is England have avoided New Zealand since the last world cup.

Also, I have just realised, why have you decided to not include the world cup games ?

Because that's luck of the draw rather than arranged matches between the 2 teams.

Yep it's wrong, I knew it was. Since 2014 including one world cup game, Wales have played South Africa 5 times.

Yup should be england vs sa 2 games
Vs Australia 5 games and nz 4 games since January 2014.

Wales vs sa 4 games. Va Australia 2 games and 4 vs new zealand. Same time period. If the argument is avoiding teams yu obviously wouldn't use wc games.

So I am correct in saying that England have avoided New Zealand since the last world cup, and will be playing them after the draw for the next world cup is made. Or the teams are seeded for the next world cup. Which ever one comes first.

Since the world cup in 2015? Yes and no. Fixtures are generally pencilled in quite a distance into the future. The rfu obviously tried to get them this year in a last minute deal and have got them next year. You would also have to consider seeing as it was nz who turned down this year's offer its they who are avoiding. Wouldn't call it that myself. Still let's look forward to the best 2 teams in the world playing each other.

Sorry, I did mean 4 for SA v Wales

Overall was still 9 games for England and 8 for Wales

I take that as being Wales avoiding the top nations by electing to play the likes of Fiji instead - smells like artificial ranking inflation to me, as we all know Wales would get their bottoms spanked by the big 3 as per usual

As it happens LD, World Rugby has already planned the international calendar for the next 12 years http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/18921156/world-rugby-reveals-details-post-2019-global-calendar

I can't find anywhere with the specifics, but England are to tour the Pacific Islands at some point - must be World Rugby helping England avoid NZ in the lead up to the 2027 RWC, I'd complain directly to Agustin Pichot if I were you

BamBam wrote:Sorry, I did mean 4 for SA v Wales

Overall was still 9 games for England and 8 for Wales

I take that as being Wales avoiding the top nations by electing to play the likes of Fiji instead - smells like artificial ranking inflation to me, as we all know Wales would get their bottoms spanked by the big 3 as per usual

As it happens LD, World Rugby has already planned the international calendar for the next 12 years http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/18921156/world-rugby-reveals-details-post-2019-global-calendar

I can't find anywhere with the specifics, but England are to tour the Pacific Islands at some point - must be World Rugby helping England avoid NZ in the lead up to the 2027 RWC, I'd complain directly to Agustin Pichot if I were you

How do we inflate our world ranking by playing Fiji? By playing them we earn little/no rankings points.

BamBam wrote:I'd complain directly to Agustin Pichot if I were you

nah, watching you get your knickers in a twist on here over anything I say is enough for me.

You do entertain me BamBam.

Your comments don't reflect badly on bam though.

I just enjoy calling you out on your blustery nonsense

Can anyone explain how England not playing New Zealand helps Wales beat New Zealand?

It helps one Welsh man try to change tack to get focus on England and their running away from a challenge rather than talk about potential issues wales may have.

mikey_dragon wrote:

BamBam wrote:Sorry, I did mean 4 for SA v Wales

Overall was still 9 games for England and 8 for Wales

I take that as being Wales avoiding the top nations by electing to play the likes of Fiji instead - smells like artificial ranking inflation to me, as we all know Wales would get their bottoms spanked by the big 3 as per usual

As it happens LD, World Rugby has already planned the international calendar for the next 12 years http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/18921156/world-rugby-reveals-details-post-2019-global-calendar

I can't find anywhere with the specifics, but England are to tour the Pacific Islands at some point - must be World Rugby helping England avoid NZ in the lead up to the 2027 RWC, I'd complain directly to Agustin Pichot if I were you

How do we inflate our world ranking by playing Fiji? By playing them we earn little/no rankings points.

The same way England inflated their world ranking by apparently "avoiding" NZ

I don't actually believe that Wales were trying to inflate anything, just using the same logic as our resident carpet salesman/hot air producer extraordinaire

Another thread ruined by Lord Dowlais. Seriously ruining this website.

Griff wrote:Another thread ruined by Lord Dowlais. Seriously ruining this website.

Ruined? Was it ever good?

Wales can beat the All Blacks by feilding the Scarlets team with J.Mac replaced by Sanjay, Beirne replaced by AWJ, and Barclay replaced by Faletau. Simples

I was enjoying this thread until Lord expressed his biased views.

Why do the Mods allow it?

TightHEAD wrote:I was enjoying this thread until Lord expressed his biased views.

Why do the Mods allow it?

If only Hersh was here too, it would be a perfect partnership.

No 7&1/2 wrote:And they were actually quite good obviously. NZ went on their run without being beaten by England for example. Best 2 teams in the world with or without official rankings.

Except most of NZs run were when England were in the dumpster. If youre thinking the would have beaten them in 2015 youd be dreaming.

Changing their coaches would help.

Obviously Howley needs to go.

Gatland's record vs the tri nations with Wales is very poor too.


Upsets can happen.

No one expected Japan to beat South Africa in the RWC 2015 but they were better coached, well drilled and believed.

Wales should have the capability of beating New Zealand, they need to make NZ uncomfortable.

Too often Wales have battled for 60-70 but NZ have pulled away in the last 10.

Actually it`s been a case of Wales defending bravely for 60-70 minutes,creating
nothing then running out of steam.

You can't watch much rugby emack if you think that was the case on wales' last tour.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:I dont think Wales are too far off to be honest. Maybe they need a good sports psychologist to give them the belief. I think if Schmidt was Wales coach they would beat the ABs.

How do you explain Ireland's world cup was a disaster while Wales were one of the teams of the world cup?

profitius wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:I dont think Wales are too far off to be honest. Maybe they need a good sports psychologist to give them the belief. I think if Schmidt was Wales coach they would beat the ABs.

How do you explain Ireland's world cup was a disaster while Wales were one of the teams of the world cup?

Ireland get themselves up for a one-off game. They have no consistency.

Scottrf wrote:Ireland get get themselves up for a one-off game. They have no consistency.

yeah they do.

They consistently lose to Wales.

Scottrf wrote:

profitius wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:I dont think Wales are too far off to be honest. Maybe they need a good sports psychologist to give them the belief. I think if Schmidt was Wales coach they would beat the ABs.

How do you explain Ireland's world cup was a disaster while Wales were one of the teams of the world cup?

Ireland get get themselves up for a one-off game. They have no consistency.

Too true

It was an 'exhibition' game for sh1ts n giggles

Hasn't stopped SOB from thinking he's god though

Thou must not believe nz are beatable. It was on the third tablet they forgot to bring down.

No one is saying the ABs are unbeatable 7.5. It's just when you don't beat them but say that we 'shoulda, coulda, woulda, blah blah blah'.

Everyone occasionally talks about why they lost a game ebop.