The Trump Presidency

by **Pr4wn** Wed 16 Aug 2017, 3:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

Assault rifle.

That is not self-defence.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 2:50 pm

LionsV2 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

Well 4 times as many people die every year from guns and nobody cares.

But 9/11...

Why do you bother ??.........Bless you.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 2:52 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

What a strange response. Who said anything about 9/11? My point was that Trump was advocating that last week's attacker should be sent to Gitmo, but he said practically nothing about the guy that murdered more people in Las Vegas.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 2:58 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

What a strange response. Who said anything about 9/11? My point was that Trump was advocating that last week's attacker should be sent to Gitmo, but he said practically nothing about the guy that murdered more people in Las Vegas.

That isn't true he said a lot about the Vegas shooter.... But its funny how you seem to stick up for Corbyn on here over his relationship with the IRA.. A guy who practically said little about IRA violence while jumping on violence elsewhere.

Not suggesting you have double standards or anything.

by LionsV2 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:10 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

What a strange response. Who said anything about 9/11? My point was that Trump was advocating that last week's attacker should be sent to Gitmo, but he said practically nothing about the guy that murdered more people in Las Vegas.

That isn't true he said a lot about the Vegas shooter.... But its funny how you seem to stick up for Corbyn on here over his relationship with the IRA.. A guy who practically said little about IRA violence while jumping on violence elsewhere.

Not suggesting you have double standards or anything.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

What a strange response. Who said anything about 9/11? My point was that Trump was advocating that last week's attacker should be sent to Gitmo, but he said practically nothing about the guy that murdered more people in Las Vegas.

That isn't true he said a lot about the Vegas shooter.... But its funny how you seem to stick up for Corbyn on here over his relationship with the IRA.. A guy who practically said little about IRA violence while jumping on violence elsewhere.

Not suggesting you have double standards or anything.

Whataboutery of the highest order, old boy. Well done.

Did Trump call for the Vegas shooter to be sent to Gitmo? Or for him to be put to death?

I find it extraordinary that you keep sticking up for him. Testament to the Americans' blind loyalty to their President.

by Duty281 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:23 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Did Trump call for the Vegas shooter to be sent to Gitmo? Or for him to be put to death?.

Well, no, he was dead, so there was no real need.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:26 pm

FML, I'm not doing very well this morning. I should just get on with my work.

by **Hero** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:29 pm

Perhaps they should add a special graveyard at Gitmo for them and then it'd work going forward?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 3:52 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Wonder if Trump will advocate that the latest white mass-murderer in the USA goes to "Gitmo".

Or I wonder if that prison is strictly for brown people.

We won't worry about those people that died in 9/11 and their families.....

What a strange response. Who said anything about 9/11? My point was that Trump was advocating that last week's attacker should be sent to Gitmo, but he said practically nothing about the guy that murdered more people in Las Vegas.

That isn't true he said a lot about the Vegas shooter.... But its funny how you seem to stick up for Corbyn on here over his relationship with the IRA.. A guy who practically said little about IRA violence while jumping on violence elsewhere.

Not suggesting you have double standards or anything.

Whataboutery of the highest order, old boy. Well done.

Did Trump call for the Vegas shooter to be sent to Gitmo? Or for him to be put to death?

I find it extraordinary that you keep sticking up for him. Testament to the Americans' blind loyalty to their President.

Yes I'm a Trump fan...........Love the guy........Because you're either with him or against him...

Nothing like a negative generalisation to finish a post off too....... Well done !! clap

"Whataboutery"............Your go to word when someone calls you out on your double standards...

You get called out on it way too much me thinks..But fairplay.... thumbsup

by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 4:06 pm

So no attempt to address the actual argument, as usual, then Truss? You seem to want to make this about me and not the Tangerine-in-Chief.

I'm saying that Trump has different standards when dealing with mass-murder in the US. If the killer is white, attempts are made to deflect the argument away from gun controls. When the attacker is Muslim, the usual anti-Muslim rhetoric comes out. Do you disagree with that?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 4:16 pm

Let's move on....

Trump is on 37 percent approval rating.. Which despite being 6 percent above May over here is a record low for any President at this stage of his Presidency...Not good.

Next lowest was Truman who had the WW2 aftermath and the problem of following the great FDR

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 5:26 pm

I think this adds a little to the discussion:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-41887891

by Samo Mon 06 Nov 2017, 7:02 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's move on....

Trump is on 37 percent approval rating.. Which despite being 6 percent above May over here is a record low for any President at this stage of his Presidency...Not good.

Next lowest was Truman who had the WW2 aftermath and the problem of following the great FDR

Havent seen a deflection that amazing since Liverpool conceded because of a beach ball.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:02 pm

Guilty of deflecting from the Trump witch hunt generally based on unsubstantiated opinion by posters who more than likely resent the fact he is successful and right wing.

I'm happy with my rebuttal on this thread and you should be too...It tends to come with statistics to back it up...

Cheers..

by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:07 pm

It wasn't a rebuttal. You changed the subject completely without addressing the point that was made.

by LionsV2 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:10 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Guilty of deflecting from the Trump witch hunt generally based on unsubstantiated opinion by posters who more than likely resent the fact he is successful and right wing.

I'm happy with my rebuttal on this thread and you should be too...It tends to come with statistics to back it up...

Cheers..

I dislike him because he's right wing?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:29 pm

What part of generally don't you understand..Lions.

Pr4wn every situation is different...The Vegas shooter had mental issues.

Wasn't religion based...You are reading too much into it my friend.

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by **Pr4wn** Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:36 pm

Seems all the white shooters have mental issues.

by LionsV2 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:41 pm

When there is no obvious political or religious motive then that's a pretty obvious assumption.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 06 Nov 2017, 8:44 pm

Guantanamo.. is for Political prisoners (Deemed to be) only..

Anyway good night..Keep well.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 8:57 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Guilty of deflecting from the Trump witch hunt generally based on unsubstantiated opinion by posters who more than likely resent the fact he is successful and right wing.

I'm happy with my rebuttal on this thread and you should be too...It tends to come with statistics to back it up...

Cheers..

Err, no. He's a divisive tw@t, unworthy of his office and his tw@ttery is about enriching himself while unwittingly(?) making many others' lives miserable. Pretty much all there is to it.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 9:02 am

Pr4wn wrote:Seems all the white shooters have mental issues.

Anyone wanting a firearm like too many do in the States has mental issues, regardless of colour. Anyone who advocates for more guns in order to prevent mass murder in churches etc, has a screw loose. Maybe a .50 cal in the pulpit would help?

What did Roger Waters once opine in 'The bravery of being out of range'? "Does the recoil remind you of sex?". Pathetic.

by Scottrf Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:53 am

Anyone wanting a firearm has mental issues? Are you serious?

by Samo Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:45 pm

Unless you’re a farmer needing to shoot rabbits or foxes or birds then there really isnt any reason to need a gun.

by Scottrf Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:50 pm

What about if you want to shoot clays or targets? You now have mental issues?

Also, for a liberal using 'mental issues' and 'screw loose' are pretty offensive.

by LionsV2 Tue 07 Nov 2017, 12:53 pm

Scottrf wrote:What about if you want to shoot clays or targets? You now have mental issues?

Also, for a liberal using 'mental issues' and 'screw loose' are pretty offensive.

I think it's long been established that the left are anything but liberal nowadays.

by **Pr4wn** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 1:53 pm

I don't believe that clay pigeon or target shooting is odd, it's a hobby in the same way that archery is.

However, collecting guns, believing you need a gun to protect your family, those are weird. Lots of people in the US are obsessed with guns.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 1:58 pm

Scottrf wrote:Anyone wanting a firearm has mental issues? Are you serious?

Go back and read what I wrote and pay attention to how I wrote it...

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 1:59 pm

Scottrf wrote:What about if you want to shoot clays or targets? You now have mental issues?

Also, for a liberal using 'mental issues' and 'screw loose' are pretty offensive.

Diddums.

by Scottrf Tue 07 Nov 2017, 2:00 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Anyone wanting a firearm has mental issues? Are you serious?
Go back and read what I wrote and pay attention to how I wrote it...

My questions remain.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 2:02 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I don't believe that clay pigeon or target shooting is odd, it's a hobby in the same way that archery is.

However, collecting guns, believing you need a gun to protect your family, those are weird. Lots of people in the US are obsessed with guns.

^^^ This. I have no problem with shotguns and clay pigeon shooting etc. I do have a problem with wanting to own stacks of handguns and anything that would come under the description of 'assault rifle'. Combine that with the head-in-the-sand, knee-jerk response that numbers of guns in circulation having nothing to do with gun-related deaths, despite evidence to the contrary then yes, I do think some have mental issues are a few rounds short of a full magazine.

Whatever.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Nov 2017, 2:03 pm

Scottrf wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Anyone wanting a firearm has mental issues? Are you serious?
Go back and read what I wrote and pay attention to how I wrote it...
My questions remain.

Lets deliberately ignore context of a post and exaggerate as a debating point. Standard practice.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 07 Nov 2017, 2:08 pm

Pr4wn wrote:I don't believe that clay pigeon or target shooting is odd, it's a hobby in the same way that archery is.

However, collecting guns, believing you need a gun to protect your family, those are weird. Lots of people in the US are obsessed with guns.

it isn't like the UK Pr4wn..............Third of the households in the USA have access to a gun. More than a good chance if someone wants to do you harm he is going to bring a gun...

For what it is worth I have no doubt if the Founding Fathers had foreseen where the second amendment has taken us.. they wouldn't have put it in there in 1791......In essence....Naively geared to keeping out foreign oppressors and for stopping oppression from within.....To be hijacked by special interest groups.....

We are where we are......Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

if "mental issues" offends.....I apologise.....

by Taylorman Fri 10 Nov 2017, 6:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What part of generally don't you understand..Lions.

Pr4wn every situation is different...The Vegas shooter had mental issues.

Wasn't religion based...You are reading too much into it my friend.

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You dont know that though do you? Its simply the absence of all the usual indicators that gets it assigned to the only one that makes sense.

I say he was a product of the American dream, its values and its laws, and became disillusioned with it all.

A multi millionaire, the right to bear arms, the right to free speech. He's in a Vegas hotel, with an arsenal of guns, having his say.

Doesnt sound like mental health to me. Sounds more like a product of its designer, the good ol' USA.

Makes more sense than 'mental health' but hey, which American is going to put that theory forward, for that would be truly mental.

by Taylorman Fri 10 Nov 2017, 7:03 pm

I see Trump says with China as an ally they would solve all the worlds problems.

Lets see, to solve racism he would sack kneeling NFL players and say theres good people amongst white supremicists.

To solve homeland terrorism he would close the borders and build walls even though by far the mass shooters in the USA are American white men.

To solve the mass shootings and gun problem he would simply get more guns, so people can shoot back!

To solve global warming he would pretend it doesnt exist and mine the ar!se out of it instead.

To solve nuclear conflicts he would prefer to bomb first and ask questions later.

And just how does an America first viewpoint work when solving these problems?

Solve the worlds problems? Hmmm. No thanks Mr Trump. First you actually have to know what a problem is.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 13 Nov 2017, 12:20 pm

Trump's response to Kim's tweet calling him basically an old lunatic that could start a nuclear war should tell you all you need to know about him....

He took offence to being called "old"....

My take is...The Presidential campaign was one big vanity exercise where the public could flatter him and tell him how great he was........Must have been a shock when he ended up winning and realised he had to spend four years in what he describes as the "White dump...."

He will probably never forgive Clinton for being such a poor candidate..

Trump just wants to be loved and the USA is going to pay the price and maybe him too if he loses Alabama.....Should be a formality but Moore has big problems and Jones is basically a Republican in all but name.

by GSC Mon 13 Nov 2017, 2:00 pm

Find some of the damage control for Moore insane even by Trump standards.

by lostinwales Tue 14 Nov 2017, 1:16 pm

Taylorman wrote:I see Trump says with China as an ally they would solve all the worlds problems.

Lets see, to solve racism he would sack kneeling NFL players and say theres good people amongst white supremicists.

To solve homeland terrorism he would close the borders and build walls even though by far the mass shooters in the USA are American white men.

To solve the mass shootings and gun problem he would simply get more guns, so people can shoot back!

To solve global warming he would pretend it doesnt exist and mine the ar!se out of it instead.

To solve nuclear conflicts he would prefer to bomb first and ask questions later.

And just how does an America first viewpoint work when solving these problems?

Solve the worlds problems? Hmmm. No thanks Mr Trump. First you actually have to know what a problem is.

Don't forget that the expert he most trusts for information on Russian cyber activities is some Russian called Vladimir because (apparently) all the security apparatus of the USA is full of anti Republican bias and can't be trusted.

by **Hero** Wed 29 Nov 2017, 12:35 pm

Trump has gone and retweeted 3 posts from Britain First.

Words fail me.

by GSC Wed 29 Nov 2017, 12:47 pm

The sad part is while he can swan off into the sunset when his term ends/he gets booted, the divisions he's widening while exploiting for cheap political gains among his own supporters will take generations to heal.

America needed a Uniter they ended up with a divider.

by Duty281 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 12:55 pm

It’s astonishing how easily Trump controls the news cycle; something which allowed him to win the Presidency.

The NFL non-controversy was manufactured so Trump’s failings (again) with Obamacare were largely ignored.

Now the media are, again, mostly talking about a non-event, rather than his tax reforms or whatever the hell else he is doing.

If he runs again in 2020 (and he has already set that campaign up) he will win so easily. He plays the game better than anyone else in America.

by GSC Wed 29 Nov 2017, 1:01 pm

Not so sure, he just won last time by the thinnest margins last time and he's only become more toxic since. Also generally better to be a fresh face than the incumbent.

My guess is he won't run (not sure he ever wanted to be president) because he knows hed lose.

by Duty281 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 1:09 pm

I've never understood the 'Trump never wanted to be President' argument.

He's planned for at least the last three decades on getting into the White House, and he struck at the opportune moment.

He won by a comfortable majority with the electoral college (whilst spending less than half of Clinton's campaign); take Florida out and Trump would have still been successful.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 1:26 pm

Duty281 wrote:It’s astonishing at how easily Trump controls the news cycle; something which allowed him to win the Presidency.

The NFL non-controversy was manufactured so Trump’s failings (again) with Obamacare were largely ignored.

Now the media are, again, mostly talking about a non-event, rather than his tax reforms or whatever the hell else he is doing.

If he runs again in 2020 (and he has already set that campaign up) he will win so easily. He plays the game better than anyone else in America.

In fairness knowing he can't get any of his agenda through congress...Gives him plenty of time to work on his media strategy.. laughing

Think he might be gone by 2020 if Flynn gets a deal and sets the ball rolling....But

Trump does have 44m twitter followers and it is a luxury that other Presidents haven't always had to roll back a hostile media.....it is the reason Corbyn is surviving.........

He also has the luxury of being viewed as anti-Establishment......also like the Labour Leader....

However he lost the popular vote to probably the worst Democratic candidate since James Cox lost to lughead Warren Harding in the 20s....

When you consider he has an incumbency bonus and latest polls for 20/20 are...(PPP)

Biden 53 Trump 40......(Be Biden, Warren or Booker...me thinks)

I think you give him too much credit Duty.......He sneaked Michigan and Pennsylvania in 16...He won't be facing Clinton next time.

But if the last two years have taught us anything.....It is anything can happen.

by Samo Wed 29 Nov 2017, 3:56 pm

Duty281 wrote:I've never understood the 'Trump never wanted to be President' argument.

He's planned for at least the last three decades on getting into the White House, and he struck at the opportune moment.

He won by a comfortable majority with the electoral college (whilst spending less than half of Clinton's campaign); take Florida out and Trump would have still been successful.

Boris never wanted Brexit but saw it as a means to an end of getting him into No.10. I wouldnt be surprised if Trump didnt want to win but just wanted to be the centre of attention for a year or so.

by Mad for Chelsea Wed 29 Nov 2017, 4:10 pm

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/935902231886548993

by Duty281 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 4:36 pm

Samo wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I've never understood the 'Trump never wanted to be President' argument.

He's planned for at least the last three decades on getting into the White House, and he struck at the opportune moment.

He won by a comfortable majority with the electoral college (whilst spending less than half of Clinton's campaign); take Florida out and Trump would have still been successful.

Boris never wanted Brexit but saw it as a means to an end of getting him into No.10. I wouldnt be surprised if Trump didnt want to win but just wanted to be the centre of attention for a year or so.

True about Boris, but there are far easier ways for a billionaire to get attention than by running for President.

He wanted it, he planned it, and he made it.

by Samo Wed 29 Nov 2017, 4:58 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I've never understood the 'Trump never wanted to be President' argument.

He's planned for at least the last three decades on getting into the White House, and he struck at the opportune moment.

He won by a comfortable majority with the electoral college (whilst spending less than half of Clinton's campaign); take Florida out and Trump would have still been successful.

Boris never wanted Brexit but saw it as a means to an end of getting him into No.10. I wouldnt be surprised if Trump didnt want to win but just wanted to be the centre of attention for a year or so.

True about Boris, but there are far easier ways for a billionaire to get attention than by running for President.

He wanted it, he planned it, and he made it.

Whats going to garner more attention than trying to become the President of the United States?

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 8:33 pm

May has got to explain why the man she held hands with is quoting from an extremist organisation whose name was being exclaimed out loud by a scumbag busy killing a Labour mp before the EU referendum.

Trump has all the markings of dementia...If Biden isn't jerking off right now at the thought of 2020 he has taken a vow of abstinence.

by Duty281 Wed 29 Nov 2017, 8:47 pm

Samo wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I've never understood the 'Trump never wanted to be President' argument.

He's planned for at least the last three decades on getting into the White House, and he struck at the opportune moment.

He won by a comfortable majority with the electoral college (whilst spending less than half of Clinton's campaign); take Florida out and Trump would have still been successful.

Boris never wanted Brexit but saw it as a means to an end of getting him into No.10. I wouldnt be surprised if Trump didnt want to win but just wanted to be the centre of attention for a year or so.

True about Boris, but there are far easier ways for a billionaire to get attention than by running for President.

He wanted it, he planned it, and he made it.

Whats going to garner more attention than trying to become the President of the United States?

No doubt. But there are far easier ways of gaining attention than running for POTUS. If he was being attention-seeking then he would have pulled out during the primaries/ran as an independent.

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