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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:16 pm

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In your teams of 4 i would like you to come up with a plan to get Everton to compete in the top 4 obviously with their takeover it gives you a high budget which will be set at £250m, You may also sell players via their TM Price but anyone bought for this season will not be eligible to be sold (Including Fat Sam). Incoming players must be realistic.

Money may be put towards other things such as youth facilities & staff etc

You have Until Wednesday Morning to come up with a comprehensive plan

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:21 pm

Hi guys - looking forward to working with you all.

Firstly, does anyone want to be PM for this task.

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:45 pm

I think someone who has participated before should be PM just for the experience in what can go wrong

Similarly to the other team, I think we need to clarify a few things on what our budget covers and how success is going to be measured

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:02 pm

I know I'm going to be struggling for time Monday-Weds next week, so probably best I'm not the leader. If nobody else takes it, I will go ahead though

I know you haven't competed before but just want to say it's a big no-no to look at the other team's page. Do agree in principle though.

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:38 pm

Oops Doh


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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:40 pm

In my defence, I would have asked about wages anyway

Questions

1. Are wages to be included within the £250m
2. How is the task to be judged - most likely to make top 4?
3. Do we take existing injuries into account - ie Coleman's current record
4. Is it strictly transfermarkt fees? So if a player's 'real' value is vastly different to his price on transfermarkt, does the value remain?
5. Can we loan players in

What else do we want to add

If neither of the other two want the job, I'll take it as should have the time before next Wednesday - just think that experience will help for the first round


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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:49 pm

Understand what you're saying - we'll see what Miky and Nadz think about leading first. I'm no bottler though, I was PM on the first task last time Laugh

3. Is it strictly transfermarkt fees? So if a player's 'real' value is vastly different to his price on transfermarkt, does the value remain?

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:50 pm

So I think the approach should be looking at the squad and seeing what the best players are and what system we can build around them, then supplement with signings

For me - Pickford, Coleman (fitness dependant), Gueye, Siggy, Bolasie and Keane are central to our approach and we should be looking to complement them with any signings

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:53 pm

Shall we post this list of questions?

Feck it, I'll be PM

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:02 pm

Current transfermarkt values:

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:17 pm

I think so - but would wait and see if miky or Nadz spot anything we've missed in terms of asking questions.


MARKY'S SUBMISSION:


FERNANDO'S SUBMISSION:


HERO'S SUBMISSION:


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OLLY'S SUBMISSION:


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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:48 pm

Cool, sounds good - Don't want to wait too long though so will post the questions tomorrow morning (or someone else can tonight)

What do you think of the core players I've identified?

I'd also consider the following expendable - the players I think we need to improve on in the starting line up and are also the most likely to raise decent funds

Schneiderlin
Funes Mori
Baines



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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:05 pm

BamBam wrote:Cool, sounds good - Don't want to wait too long though so will post the questions tomorrow morning (or someone else can tonight)

What do you think of the core players I've identified?

I'd also consider the following expendable - the players I think we need to improve on in the starting line up and are also the most likely to raise decent funds

Schneiderlin
Funes Mori
Baines



I'd also scrap Jagielka and Niasse. Not sure on whether Bolasie is good enough for the team we're trying to build and I would be tempted to offload him rather than make him a key player.

If I don't get any objections/additions I'll ask the three questions tonight.

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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:46 pm

Definitely need a new left back as Baines is getting on a bit.
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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:55 pm

Happy to take a consensus on Bolasie - just think that if we're focused on top 4 we need depth in the squad, and there may not be sufficient funds to get in enough wide players to completely discard him, and he'd also be a great impact sub

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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:06 pm

Let's go through what the current best 11 is. I'm focusing more on younger players as we should look to the future and as good as Jagielka and Williams are, we need to try and bed in some more youngsters.

Pickford
Coleman Holgate Keane Baines
Gueye Davies
??? Sigurdsson Bolasie
Tosun

We defo need a right winger. Presumably Walcott will be playing there irl but don't know if we can add him yet.
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Post by Fernando Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:08 pm

Theo will be added to your squad if signs before Wednesday no money from the budget as was pre-agreed

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:13 pm

HERO'S INTERVIEW:


OLLY'S INTERVIEW:


MARKY'S INTERVIEW:


FERNANDO'S INTERVIEW:


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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:14 pm

Are we allowed to Loan players in?
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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:20 pm

Can add loans to the list of questions

Once we decide on what positions we want to target for improvement, I think we need 1 person to target upgrades to the 1st XI, 1 person to target quality depth and 1 person to look at sales, staff and youth upgrades

I propose that I oversee all 3 areas and make sure we're thinking collectively

Do you agree with this process?

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:22 pm

That's fine, but think there's overlap in first team and others. Personally I'd prefer to say an England scout and a Euro scout. Big Sam likes players with premier league experience so that should factor in heavily.

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:22 pm

I'm happy to go with your suggestion as well though, having said that.

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:28 pm

I think Euro scout gives a lot of responsibility, but agree that Big Sam would prefer Prem players

Obviously the two people looking at 1st team and depth would be working closely together to make sure we aren't overspending in a certain area

My initial thoughts would be

1st team improvements - Nads
Depth - Trebs
Miky - Sales, youth, staff

If anyone is desperate to do a different job or desperately doesn't want to do the one they've been allocated, then please say by the end of today (and give your reasons!)

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Post by Trebs Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:31 pm

Okay no worries - I'll make a start. I presume I'm focussing on younger players?

Walcott confirmed btw.

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:38 pm

Not necessarily only younger players, just players we think could come in and be quality depth able to replace some of the players that we'd look to sell - work with Miky on this

Nads/Trebs - can you PM round a list of what areas you'll be targeting so we can make sure we don't put all our money into attack or defence

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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:39 pm

Will do bam. Think we should get rid of the deadwood/players we don't need and add a bit more cashola to the budget first, then it can tie in with trebs and miky finding some good players that will help fill out our team.
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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:43 pm

Yep, completely agree

Just need to get a list of what we are looking for, then we can shape the eventual budget accordingly

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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:53 pm

I've PM'd round my very initial thoughts

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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 5:06 pm

Replied.

Is there any way for the PM's to go to everyone and we can reply to them in one group instead of replying individually? Would make it so much easier to interact with each other imo.
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Post by BamBam Wed 17 Jan 2018, 5:11 pm

You can press the little plus and make sure you type in all 3 names, that's it I think

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Post by nadeem2099 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 5:19 pm

Yeah I did that but I don't like replying to everyone separately Laugh

Anyways I'll be back on tomorrow so we can continue this. I've read your last PM bam and it looks good, the timeline OK
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Post by Trebs Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:01 am

I've seen the PM and am with it.

I'll post my full thoughts at lunchtime - with some suggestions of players.

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Post by Trebs Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:02 am

Want me to post the questions?


1. Are wages to be included within the £250m
2. How is the task to be judged - most likely to make top 4?
3. Do we take existing injuries into account - ie Coleman's current record
4. Is it strictly transfermarkt fees? So if a player's 'real' value is vastly different to his price on transfermarkt, does the value remain?
5. Can we loan players in?

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Post by BamBam Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:13 am

Sure, go for it

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Post by BamBam Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:20 am

Thanks Trebs

Haven't heard from Miky - I may outline a plan for player sales in case he's busy so we can stick to the timeline

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Post by Trebs Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:29 am

Question 4 is crucial to have an answer to - because that particular target Nadz identified will be at least triple his TM value if it's real values.

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Post by Holymiky Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:59 am

Sorry I cant reply properly until lunch and will endeavour to do so.

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Post by BamBam Thu 18 Jan 2018, 10:07 am

Ok cool, cheers Miky

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Post by Fernando Thu 18 Jan 2018, 11:22 am

1. Are wages to be included within the £250m - only for new players
2. How is the task to be judged - most likely to make top 4? Whoever builds a solid foundation for Everton future
3. Do we take existing injuries into account - ie Coleman's current record - no over 18 months he surely would be fit for atleast a spell
4. Is it strictly transfermarkt fees? So if a player's 'real' value is vastly different to his price on transfermarkt, does the value remain? Read the task again it tells you
5. Can we loan players in? yes but remember will still cost you in wages & a fee to the other club

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Post by BamBam Thu 18 Jan 2018, 11:47 am

Nando wrote:4. Is it strictly transfermarkt fees? So if a player's 'real' value is vastly different to his price on transfermarkt, does the value remain? Read the task again it tells you

Assume Nando means this

Incoming players must be realistic.

How are you guys interpreting it? Does that player we're discussing need to be bought at his TM value or should we be using the fees banded about in real life for him

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Post by Trebs Thu 18 Jan 2018, 1:39 pm

Bam I had my thoughts on it straight away - have including it in the PM I've sent round.

Have sent a list of players too.

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Post by Fernando Thu 18 Jan 2018, 2:53 pm

I assume if new players wages are to be included within the 250m budget, the wages saved on players we sell can be added to the budget?  Yep you may add them to the budget

I also assume it is only 18 months worth of wages we should be including for new signings for our budget?  Not necessarily as not many players will take an 18 month contract

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Post by BamBam Fri 19 Jan 2018, 10:04 am

Check your PMs guys, let me know your thoughts

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Post by Fernando Fri 19 Jan 2018, 1:13 pm

Pl squad rules apply also at work now so won't be back till 11pm

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Post by Trebs Mon 22 Jan 2018, 9:19 am

As mentioned my time will be stretched this week.

I will write up my section by end of today, hopefully I'll get time to be about to help with anything else as required.

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Post by BamBam Mon 22 Jan 2018, 10:26 am

Ok, please make it asap - as per what we agreed we need to be able to write up our plan tomorrow, and would need some time to discuss what each person has come up with, key part being how we prioritise January/Summer deals

Miky, Nads - when will you be ready with your sections?

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Post by nadeem2099 Mon 22 Jan 2018, 12:01 pm

I'll be done by 5 ish but will need input to narrow my shortlist down.
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Post by BamBam Mon 22 Jan 2018, 12:07 pm

Ok, well I tend not to be on much after work so if you can send it during the afternoon I can have a look - I want to get a consolidated view of the plans before we start making our final decisions

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Post by Holymiky Mon 22 Jan 2018, 2:07 pm

I can do mine tonight, Bam can you do me a favour and message me what sort of structure you want from me and roughly what I should include

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Post by nadeem2099 Mon 22 Jan 2018, 3:52 pm

Check your PM's lads.
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