Task 3 - Nads, Trebs, Bam

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:44 am

Task 3

Using the 20 sides in the Premier i want you to make an 18 man squad using 1 player per team with a max of 2 people from the same nation in the 18. You will assigned a Manager to adapt a team around his play style

Team B
Nadz (TM)
Trebs
Bam
Manager - Antonio Conte

You have until Tuesday at Midday as im busy next Wednesday

Lord Odnan x

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:44 am

This is a way better task than the last, and far more suited to this team

Lets see what we can do, I'll have an initial think today

by Trebs Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:56 am

Yep - I was planning on contributing today.
I'd suggest as a starting point finding the best 2/3 players from each team?

by nadeem2099 Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:54 pm

Think we should confirm what formation we will play first.

Conti does play 3atb so

--------------------------GK------------------
------------CB---------CB---------CB---------
RWB---------DM----------DM----------LWB
-------------RF-------------------LF---------------
-------------------------ST----------------------------

Maybe put the right and left forwards more towards the wings but I think the formation looks ok.

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:02 pm

Agree with the system.

IMO, there are a few players who are absolutely key for Conte, using his ideal Chelsea team as the base this is what I would say

ST - Obvious, but needs to be a real all rounder - aerial ability, good on the floor, hold up play etc. One fairly obvious candidate, he takes up 1 English player slot/the Spurs slot but I can't think of any other English players I would have over him

Wing backs - Ideally players who play/have played that system for me - that starts with Alonso, but then you lose the Hazard option. Would have to think on the RWB

CM - Kante is great, but do we want more rounded players in that midfield 2? Also rules out Pogba for me, good as he is

I'll list my picks by team shortly

by Trebs Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:28 pm

Arsenal - Aubemayang?, Ozil,
Bournemouth - Ake, Wilson, Begovic
Brighton - Duffy, Propper, March
Burnley - Mee, Tarkowski, Cork
Chelsea - Azpilicueta, Kante, Hazard, Alonso
Crystal Palace - Sakho, Benteke, Zaha
Everton - Pickford, Sigurdsson,
Huddersfield - Mooy, Mounie, Ince
Leicester - Mahrez, Schmeichel
Liverpool - Salah
Man City - de Bruyne, Aguero, Fernandinho
Man Utd - De Gea, Lukaku, Matic, Valencia
Newcastle - Kenedy, Ritchie, Slimani
Southampton - Bertrand, Redmond, Lemina,
Stoke - Crouch, Shaqiri, Zouma, Butland
Swansea - Ayew, Sanches, Clucas
Tottenham - Alderweireld, Kane,
Watford - Richarlison, Doucoure
West Brom - Evans, Sturridge
West Ham - Arnautovic, Lanzini

I'd say the blatantly obvious without even debating are Harry Kane, Jonny Evans, Mo Salah and Riyad Mahrez.

We should play a three at the back system, I agree. Also like the idea of putting some into the squad which Chelsea have loaned out (including Kenedy and Zouma)

Kante is tempting, as is Azpilicueta and Alonso. Teams that play attacking full backs? Valencia, Coleman, Bertrand.

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:13 pm

That's basically what I was planning to do, so great Laugh

I think we should start with the top 6 teams and decide who we want as they will be the stars

Arsenal - struggling here. I don't see Ozil fitting into the formation, and Aubameyang not needed given we have Kane. Could we look at a defender like Monreal as the left sided CB? Kolasinac as the wing back?

Chelsea - Much to debate. For me, its either Hazard or Alonso picking only 1 - wing backs are so crucial to this system, and Alonso is probably the best in the league

Liverpool - Salah I can't argue much with tbh. I wouldn't take any of their defenders or midfielders, I think Salah is perfect for the right sided forward in this formation

Man City - Again, so much to consider. If we're playing that two in midfield, are KDB/Silva really the best fit there? Could Walker be the option as the right wing back instead? Sane/Sterling also options for the wing forward positions

Man Utd - De Gea is an obvious place to start, but we'd have to consider his Spanishness too. Pogba doesn't fit in to this formation in my opinion but would be interested to see what you guys think. I think Alexis/Martial could be great options as the left sided forward - gives you the opportunity to get Alonso as the LWB

Spurs - Kane. He has to be the starting ST, regardless of how good some of the other Spurs players are

In my head, Salah and Kane are our only two nailed on certainties to start

If i was going to pick the players from the top 6 to start with, this would be the base of our team

--------------GK
-----?--------?-----Monreal
Walker --?----?-----Alonso
---Salah---Kane---Sanchez

I do wonder if it will leave us too weak down the spine, but this formation seems to really require top quality out wide too

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:29 pm

Tried to fill out the rest of the team from Trebs list, but just can't seem to find anything competent!!

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:25 pm

Ok, already had a rethink

----------------------Butland
-----------Azpi--------Evans------Laporte
Coleman----Ndidi -----------Doucoure-----Bertrand
-----------Salah -------Kane ------Alexis

Subs - Ryan, Ake, Mee, Mooy, Arnautovic, Zaha, Aubameyang

No players from Swansea or Newcastle

by nadeem2099 Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Can't have more than 2 players of the same nationality bam.

Fabianksi
Azpi Evans Monreal
Valencia Ndidi Schneiderlin Bertrand
Salah Kane Sane

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:51 pm

Who are the double nationality players i've got

edit - Oh 4 English

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:53 pm

Schneiderlin is not getting in this time unless its over my dead body

by nadeem2099 Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:56 pm

Could swap him fir Gueye.

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:25 pm

Got to think about subs too

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Fabianski
Azpi Evans Laporte
Coleman Ndidi Doucoure Bertrand
Salah Kane Alexis

Ryan, Ake, Kenedy, Mooy, Arnautovic, Zaha, Aubameyang

Poland, Spain, Ireland x2, France x 2, Nigeria, England x 2, Egypt, Chile, Australia x 2, Netherlands, Brazil, Austria, Ivory Coast, Gabon

Swansea, Chelsea, WBA, Man City, Everton, Leicester, Watford, Southampton, Liverpool, Spurs, Man Utd
Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Huddersfield, West Ham, Palace, Arsenal

None from - Newcastle, Burnley

by nadeem2099 Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:20 pm

I'm not too sure on Coleman tbh. Will he have the legs for a wingback role?

by BamBam Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:09 pm

Coming up short on RWB candidates outside of the top 6 so just went with Coleman

Coleman, Walker, Valencia, Moses, Ox?, Trippier, Aurier, Femenia maybe?

by nadeem2099 Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:34 am

I would play Valencia RWB and swap Laporte and Sanchez with Monreal and Sane. Monreal and azpi are used to playing in a 3atb formation.

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:44 am

I'm fine with that. I was also considering Walker at RWB

Just means we'd need a striker other than Aubameyang if Monreal is starting

by Trebs Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:47 pm

I've got this.
IMO Kante and Matic has to be the midfield two.

Begovic
Koscielny Evans Otamendi
Coleman Kante Matic Bertrand
Mahrez Kane Salah

Although I'd be tempted to suggest Monreal and Stones. I'm thinking the CM two and front three are definitely right, but the defense could be reshuffled.

I would be against Aubemayang/Laporte etc. being involved as they haven't played in the PL.

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:52 pm

Depends what we think the key roles are in that formation I guess

IMO its the wing backs and the two wider CBs - get those right and you've got a real good base. The CM pairing doesn't necessarily have to be the best players, and I think we've almost seen Kante's weaknesses come to the fore there this season and a more rounded player might be better off

I'd be happy to see Kante paired with a better all rounder than Matic though.

I also don't rate Koscielny much any more

by Trebs Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:13 pm

Could put Azpilacueta in instead of Kante then? And maybe De Bruyne alongside Matic? I'm not sure.

Personally I think the CM duo is crucial. I think Alexis and Mahrez is much of a muchness, and I'd prefer to have a Matic or Valencia in there.

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:16 pm

Valencia doesn't offer enough in attack to be the RWB in my opinion, he's been very ineffective even though he has scored a couple of times.

Matic I can see the argument for. I don't think KDB fits this formation, it requires a lot more defensive work than when he plays CM for a ball dominant City side

Nads call I guess

by Trebs Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:27 pm

Yeah sure. Just to warn that my phone is away for repair, so it's just brief trips on here is all I can do to assist.

by nadeem2099 Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm

IMO the most important positons are the wingbacks. The CM's just have to be solid defensively and have a lot of stamina to cover the gaps in the middle.

Fabianksi/Begovic
Azpi Evans Monreal/Koscielny
Valencia Ndidi Gueye/Doucoure Bertrand
Salah Kane Sane

Would be my team. I think the defence back 3 and front 3 are ok. The midfield is just the hard part.

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:04 pm

Think we need a view of subs too, can't get a picture of how it fits together

by nadeem2099 Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:06 pm

I think the Subs you posted were good. Just need to replace Aubameyang.

Ryan, Ake, Kenedy, Mooy, Arnautovic, Zaha, ???

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:14 pm

nadeem2099 wrote:IMO the most important positons are the wingbacks. The CM's just have to be solid defensively and have a lot of stamina to cover the gaps in the middle.

Fabianksi/Begovic
Azpi Evans Monreal/Koscielny
Valencia Ndidi Gueye/Doucoure Bertrand
Salah Kane Sane

Would be my team. I think the defence back 3 and front 3 are ok. The midfield is just the hard part.

I think the Subs you posted were good. Just need to replace Aubameyang.
Ryan, Ake, Kenedy, Mooy, Arnautovic, Zaha, ???

So it looks like this

-----------------Swansea
----Chelsea------WBA-------Arsenal
Utd---Leicester-------Everton/Watford-------Saints
-----Liverpool----Spurs-----City

Brighton, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Huddersfield, West Ham, Palace

Leaves Stoke, Burnley and either Watford or Everton to pick a forward from

What if we went with Gueye in CM and Richarlison as the sub forward?
Or Doucoure and Tosun/Siggy - Benteke could then be the sub striker?

-------------------Poland
-----Spain-------Ireland------Spain
Ecuador--Nigeria----Senegal/France----England
--Egypt----------England---------Germany

Australia, Netherlands, Brazil, Australia, Austria, Nigeria, ?

Fine on nationality

by nadeem2099 Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:48 pm

Zaha is from ivory coast Laugh

But I do think having Richarlison as a super sub would be great. And Gueye and Doucoure are about similarly rated. Think Gueye and Richarlison would be the best option.

by BamBam Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:09 pm

Oh yea oops, I even searched that yesterday Laugh

by nadeem2099 Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:41 pm

Another suggestion would be to write a general set of tactics. One set against weaker opposition and one set against teams in the top 4 who would be harder to beat. It doesn't have to be anything too long just summat that will get the consensus of the team out.

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:22 am

Cool, that works.

Who is putting together the final submission? Remember its Tuesday not Wed

by nadeem2099 Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:44 pm

If you got the time I think you should put together the final submission (unless trebs wants to). You did a top job with task 1 and it's not really my forte, don't want to hurt the teams chances of winning the task.

by Trebs Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:46 pm

Gueye I think for sure. I still would put Mahrez in personally, but I'd go with that/

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:53 pm

We could swap Mahrez for Sane and Ndidi for Fernandinho?

Just think Mahrez and Salah are both predominantly right sided, that would be my main concern

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:57 pm

I can try and knock something up, it will more or less be what I posted above. You're both usually good at tactics, so some help there would be good thinking in the Conte style

by Trebs Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:03 pm

I've just starting writing something - we'll go with the above line-up.

by Trebs Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:11 pm

I would consider that we have to compete over a 38 game season, so we need to make sure all options are covered on the bench. Would like to see a backup target man there. Andy Carroll?

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:19 pm

My thinking was our back up plan would be a false 9/fluid front 3 made up of Salah/Sane/Arnautovic/Zaha/Richarlison

Could consider Slimani as a back up striker? I can't bring myself to put Carroll in a team like this

by Trebs Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:22 pm

Our team's submission
Personally I think the CMs are more important than the wingbacks, but we'll go with this. The bench needs a sort out, just realised we can't have Carroll as he's English. Although I think Conte would love him in the side.

Slimani isn't a bad shout but his record in the PL isn't great...

Spoiler:

by Trebs Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:39 pm

Putting the names to one side, I would say the bench needs:

GK
CB - Must be able to play in the wide CB roles
WB - Preferably can play both sides, not essential though as Azpi can cover.
CM - Another energetic tackling type player
CM - Creative/attacking midfielder
WG - Can play both sides if possibly, maybe upfront as a different option.
ST - Target man as this is Conte's preference

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:56 pm

Yeah, I'd agree with that, and tried to get my subs to fit that

Potentially look at Lanzini in place of Arnautovic to fit the 2nd CM slot?

by nadeem2099 Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:38 pm

What do you lot think about Fosu Mensah? Good cover at CB, CM and even RB. Has loads of energy aswell to do well in any of those positions.

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:27 pm

I'm fine with Fosu Mensah as an option, but think Zaha is about as good as it gets as a winger outside the top 6, while there's similar quality to TFM in defence

by nadeem2099 Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:32 pm

Yeah don't think there's a better winger than zaha outside the top 6.

How about Renato Sanches? What do you lot make of him?

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:34 pm

I remain in hope that he will be good again tbh

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:35 pm

Missing Kenedy from your squad list Trebs, other than that it looks good

by BamBam Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:37 pm

One more option for the squad

GK - RYAN
CB - Must be able to play in the wide CB roles - ZOUMA
WB - Preferably can play both sides, not essential though as Azpi can cover. KENEDY
CM - Another energetic tackling type player - MOOY
CM - Creative/attacking midfielder - LANZINI
WG - Can play both sides if possibly, maybe upfront as a different option. - RICHARLISON
ST - Target man as this is Conte's preference - BENTEKE

by Trebs Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:40 am

I'm happy with bam's subs suggestions

by BamBam Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:44 am

Cool, I'm happy to submit the write up with the subs changed to the above. I'll do this morning unless anyone wants any more changes?

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