Ireland U20s 2018

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Squad named today. New coaching staff this season and there are 11 players who featured in last seasons squad. Last season was disappointing so they'll be hoping for better this season.


IRELAND UNDER-20 Squad (2018 Under-20 Six Nations Championship):

Backs (14):

Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Angus Curtis (Queen's University/Ulster)
Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Conor Hayes (Young Munster/Munster)
Mark Keane (Queen's University)
Angus Kernohan (Ballymena/Ulster)
David McCarthy (Garryowen/Munster)
James McCarthy (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jonny Stewart (Queen's University/Ulster)
Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster)
Peter Sullivan (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Forwards (18):

Jack Aungier (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Matthew Agnew (Ballymenia/Ulster)
Diarmuid Barron (Garryowen/Munster)
Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster)
Ronan Coffey (Shannon/Munster)
Matthew Dalton (Malone/Ulster)
Cormac Daly (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster)
Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster)
Joe Dunleavy (Malone/Ulster)
James French (UCC/Munster)
Aaron Hall (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Max Kearney (Dublin University/Leinster)
Ronan Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Sean Masterson (Corinthians/Connacht)
Jack O'Sullivan (UCC/Munster)
Tom O'Toole (Banbridge/Ulster)
Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)

IRELAND UNDER-20 SIX NATIONS FIXTURES:
France Under-20s v Ireland Under-20s, Stade Amédée Domenech, Brive, Friday, February 2, 9pm/8pm Irish time

Ireland Under-20s v Italy Under-20s, Donnybrook, Friday, February 9, 7.15pm

Ireland Under-20s v Wales Under-20s, Donnybrook, Friday, February 23, 7.15pm

Ireland Under-20s v Scotland Under-20s, Donnybrook, Friday, March 9, 7.15pm

England Under-20s v Ireland Under-20s, Ricoh Arena, Coventry, Friday, March 16, 8pm

3 of the 4 backrow players are Ulstermen but none of the backs - how times have changed

Anyone know where the game is available to watch in the UK?

marty2086 wrote:Anyone know where the game is available to watch in the UK?

Live-streaming on worldrugby apparently :
https://www.worldrugby.org/u20/tournament-info/where-to-watch

whocares wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Anyone know where the game is available to watch in the UK?

Live-streaming on worldrugby apparently :
https://www.worldrugby.org/u20/tournament-info/where-to-watch

Cheers

Just watch a cameo 15 mins

Forwards look strong but jeez will someone sort out those backs the tackling is pathetic

Is the full game available anywhere?

Ireland were a little unlucky with the obvious forward pass being missed in the build-up to the second French try, but the experience will stand to them long term.

It was weird hearing Psycho Jr after the game speaking with a Dublin brogue in his blue shirt.

Lost 17-30 to the baby boks. They were leading by 5 points after 50 minutes. Should have been more as they dominated that 50 minutes. Then the boks got on top in the scrums and their subs made a big impact.

The Great Aukster wrote:Is the full game available anywhere?

Ireland were a little unlucky with the obvious forward pass being missed in the build-up to the second French try, but the experience will stand to them long term.

It was weird hearing Psycho Jr after the game speaking with a Dublin brogue in his blue shirt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54ghE_KO-o

Thanks LT

Another near miss. It's hard to know what's going wrong for them. Doris has been the standout, but all four half backs have been the opposite.
The team keep going for the whole game, but it's mostly honest toil, rather than skilful creativity for the most part, and yet they could have won all three games with more composure. A mountain of chances have been created only for a poor decision to kill the score.

Is that the players or the coaching?

The Great Aukster wrote:Another near miss. It's hard to know what's going wrong for them. Doris has been the standout, but all four half backs have been the opposite.
The team keep going for the whole game, but it's mostly honest toil, rather than skilful creativity for the most part, and yet they could have won all three games with more composure. A mountain of chances have been created only for a poor decision to kill the score.

Is that the players or the coaching?

It's a wee bit generous to call that a near miss. The late try flattered Ireland, who never looked like imposing themselves on Georgia. I wouldn't read too much into it, though. The limited pool available means Ireland will always struggle at age grade - the key is to find a few players each year who can be molded into senior internationals. Doris looks like he could be one, and Sean O'Brien (presumably no relation) another

Any of you watched the Italy u20s? They have quite a few talented lads coming through.

Did Ireland U20s just lose to Georgia? Wow. Just wow

Cyril wrote:Did Ireland U20s just lose to Georgia? Wow. Just wow

We need one competition that we do poor in to keep the lads humble and hungry

Not good for the future though. Your new boys look terrible. Time to widen the net again? If that doesn’t offend ebop too much

Cyril wrote:Not good for the future though. Your new boys look terrible. Time to widen the net again? If that doesn’t offend ebop too much

Why would they widen the net? Ireland don't have a great record in the competition to begin with. They've only one more than 1 game in 6 of the last 10 competitions and 2016 was the one and only time they won all 3 games yet they've produced these players for the provinces and Ireland

2017
Ciaran Frawley (UCD/Leinster)
Calvin Nash (Young Munster/Munster)
Cillian Gallagher (Sligo/Connacht)
Fineen Wycherley (Young Munster/Munster)
Jordan Larmour (/Leinster)

2016
Johnny McPhillips (Queen's University/Ulster)
Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster)
Adam McBurney (Ballymena/Ulster)
James Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster) (capt)
Sean O'Connor (Cashel/Munster)
Will Connors (UCD/Leinster)
Max Deegan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Rob Lyttle (/Ulster)



2015
Sam Arnold (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Joey Carbery (UCD/Leinster)
Nick McCarthy (UCD/Leinster)
Josh Murphy (UCD/Leinster)
Conor Oliver (St.Mary's/Leinster
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster)
Nick Timoney (St. Mary's/Leinster)
Liam O'Connor (Dolphin/Munster)



2014
Adam Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Denis Coulson (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Peter Dooley (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Dan Goggin (Young Munster/Munster)
Cian Kelleher (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Nick McCarthy (UCD/Leinster)
Ross Molony (UCD/Leinster)
Sean O'Brien (Galwegians/Connacht) (capt)
Jack O'Donoghue (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Peter Robb (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Peadar Timmins (UCD/Leinster)
Alex Wootton (Garryowen/Munster)
Shane Delahunt (/Leinster)



2013
Edward Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Bryan Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
Steve Crosbie (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Peter Dooley (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Thomas Farrell (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Darragh Leader (Galwegians/Connacht)
Daniel Leavy (UCD/Leinster)
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster)
Rory Scholes (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
David Shanahan (Clontarf/Leinster)
Darren Sweetnam (UCC/Munster)
Gavin Thornbury (UCD/Leinster)
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster)
Sturat Olding (/Ulster)



2012
Tadhg Beirne (Leinster),
Jack Conan (Leinster),
Barry Daly (Leinster),
Chris Farrell (Ulster),
Tadhg Furlong (Leinster),
JJ Hanrahan (Munster),
Iain Henderson (Ulster),
Paddy Jackson (Ulster),
Kieran Marmion (Connacht),
Cathal Marsh (Leinster),
Luke McGrath (Leinster),
Peter Nelson (Ulster),
Alan O’Connor (Leinster),
Niall Scannell (Munster),
Josh van der Flier (Leinster).



2011
Finlay Bealham (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Conor Carey (Ballymena/Ulster)
Andrew Conway (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Craig Gilroy (Dungannon/Ulster)
Michael Kearney (Clontarf/Leinster)
Kieran Marmion (UWIC/Exile)
Luke Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster)
Eoin McKeon (Galwegians/Connacht)
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht)
James Tracy (UCD/Leinster)
Marty Moore (/Leinster)



2010
Denis Buckley (Corinthians/Connacht),
Andrew Conway (Blackrock/Leinster),
John Cooney (UCD/Leinster),
Eoin Griffin (Corinthians/Connacht),
David O'Callaghan (UCC/Munster),
Tiernan O'Halloran (Galwegians/Connacht),
Noel Reid (UCD/Leinster),
Rhys Ruddock (UCD/Leinster),
Dominic Ryan (Lansdowne/Leinster),
Nevin Spence (Ballynahinch/Ulster),
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster),
Dave McSharry (/Leinster)


2009
Matthew Healy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
David Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Ronan O'Mahony (Garryowen/Munster)
Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
David O'Callaghan (UCC/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) (capt)

Cyril wrote:Not good for the future though. Your new boys look terrible. Time to widen the net again? If that doesn’t offend ebop too much

We don't put our young lads on steroids at the age of 12

Due to the Irish Mammy our boys grow up a little slower so are still boys at this age and probably get hot chocolate before bed. James Ryan and Jacob Stockdale probably have to get their mammy's permission to go to Austrilia for the summer.

But when the boys finally become men they are more than capable as shown by the provinces. The under 23 league may help develop players better for this age but currently we are getting enough through each year

Could this Ireland side end up without winning a game this year?

IRELAND U-20: Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster); James Hume (Banbridge/Ulster), Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster), Peter Sylvester (UCC/Munster), Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster); Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster), Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster); Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster), Diarmuid Barron (Garryowen/Munster), Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster), Matthew Dalton (Malone/Ulster), Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster), Joe Dunleavy (Malone/Ulster), Matthew Agnew (Ballymena/Ulster), Caelan Doris (St. Mary's College/Leinster) (capt).

Replacements: Dan Sheehan (Dublin University/Leinster), Bryan O'Connor (UCC/Munster), Jakub Wojtkowicz (Sligo/Connacht), Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster), Jack Daly (Garryowen/Munster), Jonny Stewart (Queen's University/Ulster), Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster), Tom Roche (Lansdowne/Leinster).

Another loss for Ireland, they'll now go into a play off and if they lose they'll lose their place in the Championship

marty2086 wrote:Another loss for Ireland, they'll now go into a play off and if they lose they'll lose their place in the Championship

I had not foreseen them losing by two clear scores. As you say if they fail to beat the loser from Georgia and Japan they will finish bottom and lose their place for next season.

Now Lowry has been called up, is it part of the rules that he must play in the last game?

The Great Aukster wrote:Now Lowry has been called up, is it part of the rules that he must play in the last game?

Anyone know?


If Ireland lose to Japan on Sunday, surely McNamara will have to go and leave the way clear for Paul O'Connell?

If they get relegated the IRFU will rip up the current system of developing players as we will be a laughing stock. As people have said we usually win one game which is poor.

To be 12th at u20 losing to Geogia and Japan is unacceptable. And if relegated something needs to be done

Just reading an interview with Dan Brennan (Frence U20s tighthead) where he says that at the age of 16 he was brought into the French Academy in Paris. Every Monday morning he flew to Paris, trained all week and came back on a Friday evening to Toulouse to play a match.

How can Ireland compete with that at U20 level. Its all very soccerish.

He comes across as being a very sound lad - best of luck to him for the final.
http://www.the42.ie/daniel-brennan-france-ireland-4071399-Jun2018/

Brendan wrote:If they get relegated the IRFU will rip up the current system of developing players as we will be a laughing stock.  As people have said we usually win one game which is poor.

To be 12th at u20 losing to Geogia and Japan is unacceptable. And if relegated something needs to be done

The embarrassment might lead to changes. I don't see any sweeping changes though, it'll be more along the lines of getting them more games to prepare.

Surely we can organise an u20 tournament to run from 6N to championship.

If they are serious about having an u23 league that will help. I know it won't happen but would love u20 team for each province in the AIL. I think it would help people to learn better in real situations. Playing in the AIL with say Cork Con as a young winger you might get saved by older players. If it's an u20 team you will be forced to address issues. Also allows the senior management give you thinks to work on and improve.

It also could be a ploy to make other nations thing our underage is rubbish so they don't need to worry about us allowing us to go about our business in peace

Great win Ireland!

Whoops, posted on the wrong thread!

The Oracle wrote:Great win Ireland!

Whoops, posted on the wrong thread!

We can pretend its the correct thread.


Teams up. Starting 10am Irish time tomorrow.
1. Jordan Duggan
2. Dan Sheehan
3. Jack Aungier
4. Cormac Daly
5. Jack Dunne
6. Jack Daly
7. Matthew Agnew
8. Caelan Doris
9. Jonny Stewart
10. Harry Byrne
11. Tommy O'Brien
12. Peter Sylvester
13. Sean O'Brien
14. James Hume
15. Michael Lowry

16. Dylan Tierney (Hooker)
17. Jakub Wojtkowicz (Prop)
18. Joe Byrne (Prop)
19. Charlie Ryan (Lock)
20. Joe Dunleavy (Back Row)
21. Hugh O'Sullivan (Scrum Half)
22. Conor Dean (Fly Half)
23. Tom Roche (Wing)

Brendan wrote:Surely we can organise an u20 tournament to run from 6N to championship.

If they are serious about having an u23 league that will help.  I know it won't happen but would love u20 team for each province in the AIL.  I think it would help people to learn better in real situations.  Playing in the AIL with say Cork Con as a young winger you might get saved by older players.  If it's an u20 team you will be forced to address issues.  Also allows the senior management give you thinks to work on and improve.

It also could be a ploy to make other nations thing our underage is rubbish so they don't need to worry about us allowing us to go about our business in peace

Good thinking Brendan. I'll admit that if I were IRFU chief-in-charge-of-everything, I'd use such ploys to keep the hounds of the enemy guessing everything. I'd even demand that we lose one of the games in Australia to ensure we wouldn't be labelled with no 'peaked-too-soon' psychological warfare crapology from our friends and neighbours in Europe

Phew, that was close.

Ireland yet again had the majority of possession and territory but this time just managed to sneak the win. The main reason they found themselves in this predicament was that they weren't playing as a team. Far too often in this JWC they would ignore a numbers overlap in pursuit of individual glory. Can't help but think that Nigel Carolan wouldn't have allowed that to happen as much as it has.

Great win Ireland!

I updated the long term U20 thread.
https://www.606v2.com/t8079-4-years-of-ireland-at-under-20-rugby-at-jrwc


Theres about 13 U20 players per season graduating to top flight club or international level.