6 NATIONS 2018 - England v Wales build up/Match/Autopsy Thread - 12-6

by TightHEAD Sun 04 Feb 2018, 5:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

England v Wales (The Big One) ITV 16:45pm

So much rests on this game. Wales look strong, England did enough in Rome to look comfortable.

Really hard to see how this wil play out.

Discuss.

Ref - Jérôme Garcès (France)

Head to head - Played - 130 Eng 61 - Wales 57 - Drawn 12

England Team

15 Mike Brown (Harlequins 65 caps) 14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 29 caps) 13 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 36 caps) 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 54 caps) 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 30 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 41 caps) 9 Danny Care (Harlequins 77 caps)

1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 45 caps) 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints 90 caps) 3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 78 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 48 caps) 5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 15 caps) 6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 62 caps) 7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 60 caps) 8 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 4 caps)

Replacements
16 Jamie George (Saracens 21 caps) 17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs 1 cap) 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs 6 caps) 19 George Kruis (Saracens 22 caps) 20 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby 4 caps) 21 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens 27 caps) 22 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors 9 caps) 23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs 24 caps)

Wales team
Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); Josh Adams (Worcester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Rob Evans (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys capt), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), George North (Northampton).

NO TRY - https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962615635321737217/video/1

by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:21 pm

Wales have made 82 tackles so far - to 32

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:22 pm

Controlling the game well so far, would be nice if Ford stopped kicking the ball away though....

by **RDW** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:22 pm

No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised. Rolling Eyes

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:23 pm

lostinwales wrote:Wales have made 82 tackles so far - to 32

That's a lot of effort...fitness will be tested..

It also means England are not using the possession they have effectively.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:24 pm

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:26 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised.

Yep, forgotten after week one.

Soooo predictable.

by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:27 pm

Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

by **RDW** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised.

Yep, forgotten after week one.

Soooo predictable.

From memory last season it was high tackles - last year first round anything above the nipple was penalised, then went back to normal straight after.

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:30 pm

eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:31 pm

lostinwales wrote:Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

I may be wrong but I think it has something to do with how Farrell went for the ball. The Wales 9 was picking the ball up and Farrell was stamping down with his foot on his hand.

by Heaf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:31 pm

lostinwales wrote:Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

Puzzled about that too - if the ball was out what was the pen for?

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:31 pm

cowpat Billy, farell nor brown did nothing wrong. That was started by the Welsh 9

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:31 pm

The ref told Farrell to go for the ball...

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:32 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:34 pm

Brown has been back to his best on the high ball

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:34 pm

How Frak offside were Wales then

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:34 pm

A little dig, have you not seen moriaty attempts at tackling

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:35 pm

It wasn't a dig. He was competing. Farrell has been fantastic this half. Ford as much as I bigged him up last week has been poor.

by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:37 pm

And that could have been a penalty to England at the break. Wales diving over the ball to stop Robshaw competing when he was on his feet.

He's been everywhere.

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:38 pm

Yeah Robshaw had a top half. Along with Cole, Launch, Farrell.

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:39 pm

The penalty before the scuffle was a joke. The ball was out and Farrell fell over.

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:40 pm

England should be further in front at the break. Wales don’t back their 3rd choice kicker.

by Exiledinborders Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:41 pm

eirebilly wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

by **RiscaGame** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:41 pm

lostinwales wrote:Watson's hands were there at the same time.

Very borderline

Behave yourself. The only thing possibly borderline is the grounding, but it should’ve been a try. That said, wales don’t deserve to be two behind.

by majesticimperialman Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:41 pm

It is as good a game in the first half as i thought it would be.

Wale are missing half penny that is for sure.

Let.s hope the second half is just as good.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:42 pm

Just watching the replay of England's first try, that is some serious vision from Farrell.

by catchweight Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:43 pm

The officials have been poor in ths game

by exile jack Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:44 pm

The ghost of Rob 'kick it to their back 3' Howley hovering over the boys at Twickenham.At 9 Gareth Davies is having a mare.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:44 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.
He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

by Cumbrian Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:46 pm

Good hard game. Reckon we could pull away if we get the next score. Wales should probably have had a try, but the ref has completely ignored Wales going off their feet at the ruck on a couple of occasions, so it is all swings and roundabouts. I mean, England have only had one penalty when Wales could have easily be penalised on a number of other occasions.

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:47 pm

Welsh kicking - dreadful

But England will be concerned they haven’t put the game beyond doubt.

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:48 pm

Wales are off their feet every breakdown hands on the floor etc etc when will Hartley get in the Refs face like AWJ and make some noise?

by Cumbrian Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:48 pm

Always a concern whilst the opposition are still in it, conditions aren't the best. Wonder if Wales will regret turning down the kicks at goal when they were on offer.

by Exiledinborders Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:50 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.
He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:50 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Wales are off their feet every breakdown hands on the floor etc etc when will Hartley get in the Refs face like AWJ and make some noise?

That's every game of rugby.

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:51 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Always a concern whilst the opposition are still in it, conditions aren't the best. Wonder if Wales will regret turning down the kicks at goal when they were on offer.

Amazed they didn't put away that gimme in the first minute...

Underhill on already?

by lostinwales Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:52 pm

Simmons off. Hmmm

Robshaw to 8 I guess

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:52 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
eirebilly wrote:What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.
He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.
The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

It's not playing the 9 if the ball is out.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:52 pm

Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.
The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

I think that the 'playing the 9' call may have been just situation which I described, just lost in translation somewhat? Otherwise then it was a very incorrect call as he had called the ball out.

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:53 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Exiledinborders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.
The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

I think that the 'playing the 9 call may have been just situation which I described, just lost in translation somewhat? Otherwise then it was a very incorrect call as he had called the ball out.

Yeah it was a bad decision.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:57 pm

This ref is giving Wales a leg up in this game

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 5:59 pm

nathan wrote:This ref is giving Wales a leg up in this game

Nonsense penalty....he's been letting players end up the wrong side all game and play on as long as the ball is available.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:00 pm

Some pace from Shingler there. Not sure the kick ahead was the right option though.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:00 pm

Only 9 points in it - could all turn very quickly. Hoping England keep their concentration levels up.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:01 pm

Where's the advantage to England there?

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:02 pm

Breakdown is being refereed by a coin toss, compeletely random.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:02 pm

Why is he giving no pens to England for Wales holding on but does the other way around?

by catchweight Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:02 pm

The officials have ruined this game. Its like Garces has invented his own rules for rugby. The breakdown has been officiated terribly and wales were denied a pretty clear try.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:02 pm

Don’t like this ref either..

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:03 pm

Agree, Wales did score that try.

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