6 NATIONS 2018 - England v Wales build up/Match/Autopsy Thread - 12-6

by TightHEAD Sun 04 Feb 2018, 5:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

England v Wales (The Big One) ITV 16:45pm

So much rests on this game. Wales look strong, England did enough in Rome to look comfortable.

Really hard to see how this wil play out.

Discuss.

Ref - Jérôme Garcès (France)

Head to head - Played - 130 Eng 61 - Wales 57 - Drawn 12

England Team

15 Mike Brown (Harlequins 65 caps) 14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 29 caps) 13 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 36 caps) 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 54 caps) 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 30 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 41 caps) 9 Danny Care (Harlequins 77 caps)

1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 45 caps) 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints 90 caps) 3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 78 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 48 caps) 5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 15 caps) 6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 62 caps) 7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 60 caps) 8 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 4 caps)

Replacements
16 Jamie George (Saracens 21 caps) 17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs 1 cap) 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs 6 caps) 19 George Kruis (Saracens 22 caps) 20 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby 4 caps) 21 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens 27 caps) 22 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors 9 caps) 23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs 24 caps)

Wales team
Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); Josh Adams (Worcester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Rob Evans (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys capt), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), George North (Northampton).

NO TRY - https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962615635321737217/video/1

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:05 pm

Stub, don't think he did. Think he pushed it forward instead of downwards

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:07 pm

TMO said Watson got there first. Nothing else. Was a try.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:07 pm

Cleared the ruck and penalised. O dear.

... I'm drunk already so take my comments with a pinch of salt

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:08 pm

nathan wrote:Stub, don't think he did. Think he pushed it forward instead of downwards

Precisely. And with that element of doubt, the try couldn’t be given.

It’s not Rugby League!

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:08 pm

Looked like he did enough to me but happy to go with the TMO on that one!

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:09 pm

New world rugby law. Wales allowed off their feet every time

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:09 pm

Refereeing is an absolute joke.....it's like he's trying to even out every stupid guess with another one

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:09 pm

Duty281 wrote:
nathan wrote:Stub, don't think he did. Think he pushed it forward instead of downwards

Precisely. And with that element of doubt, the try couldn’t be given.

It’s not Rugby League!

99% forwards and 1% downwards is downward pressure.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:09 pm

I too, might be a little drunk Nathan!

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:11 pm

But it's also pushing a ball forward 99% though. So it's a 99% knock on

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:11 pm

nathan wrote:But it's also pushing a ball forward 99% though. So it's a 99% knock on

No. It's not a knock on if the ball doesn't leave your hand...

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:13 pm

Finally a good kick from Ford...

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:14 pm

Wow Owen Farrell has put on a masterclass today

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:15 pm

Very scrappy.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:15 pm

He’s out?

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:16 pm

What an outstanding tackle from Underhill clap

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:17 pm

Great tackle

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:17 pm

Brilliant from Underhill

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:17 pm

Horrible game. Wales still in it and starting to puncture the English defence.

Well denied by Underhill.

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:17 pm

England doing their best to lose this

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:18 pm

Some crazy strength from Underhill there to change North's trajectory like that with one hand...great tackle

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:18 pm

TightHEAD wrote:England doing their best to lose this

Throwing it away with the 3 points conceded.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:18 pm

Yes, the game suiting Wales now. Very worrying.

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:19 pm

Eddie will not be impressed that England have cone to this position...under pressure.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:20 pm

Cole has been finding his form. Good game from him

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:20 pm

Wales still have their free pass to go off feet at the ruck....

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:20 pm

With the exception of Farrell, this game has been one to forget.

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:22 pm

nathan wrote:Cole has been finding his form. Good game from him

Excellent at the breakdown.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:23 pm

Wales pushing early, reset.....

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:23 pm

nathan wrote:Wales pushing early, reset.....

I remember when that used to be a free kick.

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:26 pm

This is better.

by **RiscaGame** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:27 pm

I think we all have cause for complaint about the ref, but where’s the balance?

If Dallaglio and even Sir Jonny say Wales were hard done by with the non try, I’d take their word. Surely lord Johnny knows all?

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:28 pm

What the Frak was that from the ref

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:31 pm

Eng land give it away again!!!

by No 7&1/2 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:32 pm

Sigh. You notice this time scott.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:32 pm

Lawes being stripped once again

by **RDW** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:33 pm

Do England not want to win this or something? They stopped playing 20 minutes ago!

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:34 pm

nathan wrote:Lawes being stripped once again

Not as costly as 2012, thankfully!

by mid_gen Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:34 pm

Does anyone know what that penalty was for?

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:34 pm

All this, of course, is very good for Ireland thumbsup

by Scottrf Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:35 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Sigh. You notice this time scott.

The only thing you've noticed this match, again.

by nathan Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:38 pm

Another case of the longest ever advantage given to wales

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:39 pm

What's the score.

by eirebilly Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:39 pm

Proper test match that, well done England thumbsup

by **RDW** Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:40 pm

Well that wasn't a great match but England probably deserved winners over the 80. Jones won't be happy that they stopped playing with 20 minutes to go though.

The disallowed try certainly a talking point!

by catchweight Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:40 pm

Very dissapointing game. That Welsh try not given very controversial now.

by Duty281 Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:41 pm

12-6 FT.

Dismal from England, but Wales’ numerous errors and slowness cost them. Move on.

Oh and Farrell didn’t get MOTM?!

by TightHEAD Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:42 pm

Phew..........

by stub Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:42 pm

Well a wins a win I suppose. Very close, hard luck Wales and well played England.

by Geordie Sat 10 Feb 2018, 6:42 pm

Was Farrell not man of the match ?

England have to play 80 mins in a game.

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