Bertie's Relegation Prediction Thread - A Work in Progress
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Bertie's Relegation Prediction Thread - A Work in Progress
I have devised a very simple forecast model to take into account the remaining fixture lists of the bottom ten Premiership teams, as of "week 28" of the season, to come up with a prediction of their final positions & the three teams to be relegated. I will aim to update this every week until it becomes clearer which teams will be relegated. The model assumes all teams "do reasonably well / perform as expected" in their remaining fixtures. It is based on home & away performance against three classes of team: Class 1 = Man City; Class 2 = Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal; Class 3 = the rest.
End of Week 37
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 1 Man Utd 0
Stoke 1 Crystal Palace 2
Leicester 0 West Ham 2
WBA 1 Spurs 0
Man City 0 Huddersfield 0
Stoke are relegated and Brighton, West Ham and Crystal Palace have guaranteed safety.
One – Two Match Forecast Comment
Relegated: Stoke
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourite to be Relegated: Southampton
Still In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Swansea
• All other teams ARE safe.
• Currently 38 points guarantees safety from relegation.
One - Two matches to go = 3 – 6 points to play for.
Rescheduled Matches from “Week’s 31 & 35”: 8th to 10th May
Swansea vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Huddersfield
Leicester vs Arsenal
Man City vs Brighton
Spurs vs Newcastle
West Ham vs Man Utd
Notes:
1) The most significant match is Swansea vs Southampton:
a) If either Swansea or Southampton win then WBA are relegated.
b) If Swansea win then Southampton become certainties for relegation.
c) If either Swansea or Southampton win then Huddersfield can secure safety by drawing at Chelsea.
2) If Huddersfield win they will secure safety.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (One to Two Match Forecast)
End of Week 37
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 1 Man Utd 0
Stoke 1 Crystal Palace 2
Leicester 0 West Ham 2
WBA 1 Spurs 0
Man City 0 Huddersfield 0
Stoke are relegated and Brighton, West Ham and Crystal Palace have guaranteed safety.
One – Two Match Forecast Comment
Relegated: Stoke
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourite to be Relegated: Southampton
Still In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Swansea
• All other teams ARE safe.
• Currently 38 points guarantees safety from relegation.
One - Two matches to go = 3 – 6 points to play for.
Rescheduled Matches from “Week’s 31 & 35”: 8th to 10th May
Swansea vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Huddersfield
Leicester vs Arsenal
Man City vs Brighton
Spurs vs Newcastle
West Ham vs Man Utd
Notes:
1) The most significant match is Swansea vs Southampton:
a) If either Swansea or Southampton win then WBA are relegated.
b) If Swansea win then Southampton become certainties for relegation.
c) If either Swansea or Southampton win then Huddersfield can secure safety by drawing at Chelsea.
2) If Huddersfield win they will secure safety.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 36 | -10 | 41 |
11 | Crystal Palace | 37 | -12 | 41 |
12 | Bournemouth | 37 | -17 | 41 |
13 | Watford | 37 | -19 | 41 |
14 | Brighton | 36 | -14 | 40 |
15 | West Ham | 36 | -22 | 38 |
16 | Huddersfield | 36 | -29 | 36 |
17 | Southampton | 36 | -19 | 33 |
18 | Swansea | 36 | -26 | 33 |
19 | WBA | 37 | -23 | 31 |
20 | Stoke | 37 | -34 | 30 |
Predicted Final Table (One to Two Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -12 | 43 |
11 | Newcastle | 38 | -13 | 41-42 |
12 | Bournemouth | 38 | -18 | 41-42 |
13 | Watford | 38 | -21 | 41 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -22 | 40-41 |
15 | Brighton | 38 | -18 | 40 |
16 | Swansea | 38 | -25 | 37 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -32 | 36-37 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -21 | 33-34 |
19 | WBA | 38 | -24 | 31-32 |
20 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 30-31 |
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March 03 2018 17:10.
No major surprises so far, except Everton have to now be explicitly considered as they fall into the bottom half of the table. Still all things being equal, they are not in danger of relegation.
A "good" result for WBA would have been an away draw, but they lose at Watford. 6 losses in a row in all competitions, their morale must be very low, yet they have some home matches coming up that they need to try to win. At some point they might "give up" which will mean a great opportunity for those that play them. By all accounts they put up a fight at Watford, but ultimately a lack of quality or confidence in front of goal cost them.
No major surprises so far, except Everton have to now be explicitly considered as they fall into the bottom half of the table. Still all things being equal, they are not in danger of relegation.
A "good" result for WBA would have been an away draw, but they lose at Watford. 6 losses in a row in all competitions, their morale must be very low, yet they have some home matches coming up that they need to try to win. At some point they might "give up" which will mean a great opportunity for those that play them. By all accounts they put up a fight at Watford, but ultimately a lack of quality or confidence in front of goal cost them.
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I think this counts as a "good result" by the parameters here.
Although what youve done is explain in a very long-winded way what a predictor is used for.
Although what youve done is explain in a very long-winded way what a predictor is used for.
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Hi, if by "predictor" you mean the sort of thing that can be found on the BBC website where individuals fill in their predictions, then that is not a "model". Models are automated and based on "parameterisations". I am not saying my model is any good - just a reasonable starting point.
Brighton's result counts as a "better than expected (excellent) result" and the type of result that can break the "model forecast".
The "forecast" for Southampton is currently relegation because Southampton have of their remaining 9 fixtures, 6 away matches, while two of their home matches are against Manchester City and Chelsea. Basically Southampton have to win a few away matches to break the "forecast" of relegation.
Brighton's result counts as a "better than expected (excellent) result" and the type of result that can break the "model forecast".
The "forecast" for Southampton is currently relegation because Southampton have of their remaining 9 fixtures, 6 away matches, while two of their home matches are against Manchester City and Chelsea. Basically Southampton have to win a few away matches to break the "forecast" of relegation.
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End of Week 28
Ten Match Forecast Comment
Highly Likely to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, Brighton
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Ten matches to go = thirty points to play for.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Ten Match Forecast)
Ten Match Forecast Comment
Highly Likely to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, Brighton
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Ten matches to go = thirty points to play for.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Watford | 28 | -9 | 33 |
11 | Bournemouth | 28 | -10 | 32 |
12 | Brighton | 28 | -11 | 31 |
13 | West Ham | 28 | -15 | 30 |
14 | Huddersfield | 28 | -23 | 30 |
15 | Newcastle | 28 | -11 | 29 |
16 | Southampton | 28 | -12 | 27 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 28 | -18 | 27 |
18 | Swansea | 28 | -20 | 27 |
19 | Stoke | 28 | -26 | 26 |
20 | WBA | 28 | -20 | 20 |
Predicted Final Table (Ten Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Watford | 38 | -15 | 43 - 44 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -14 | 41 |
12 | West Ham | 38 | -20 | 39 - 40 |
13 | Huddersfield | 38 | -29 | 39 - 40 |
14 | Brighton | 38 | -17 | 38 |
15 | Newcastle | 38 | -16 | 37 - 38 |
16 | Swansea | 38 | -24 | 37 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -22 | 36 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -17 | 34 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -32 | 34 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -24 | 29 |
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Very bad results (for my model forecast) - WBA eventually hammered at home against Leicester 1 - 4, and West Ham beaten heavily at home against Burnley 0 - 3.
That's three premiership losses in a row for West Ham, away to Liverpool (4-1), away to Swansea (4-1) and at home to Burnley (0-3). Though the loss at Liverpool was to be expected, they were heavily defeated away to relegation rival Swansea and eventually heavily beaten at home to Burnley. West Ham next two games are home games against Manchester United and Southampton. Obviously their home game against Southampton is going to be very important.
That's three premiership losses in a row for West Ham, away to Liverpool (4-1), away to Swansea (4-1) and at home to Burnley (0-3). Though the loss at Liverpool was to be expected, they were heavily defeated away to relegation rival Swansea and eventually heavily beaten at home to Burnley. West Ham next two games are home games against Manchester United and Southampton. Obviously their home game against Southampton is going to be very important.
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No name Bertie wrote:Very bad results (for my model forecast)
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End of Week 29
Best result of the week: Brighton 2 Arsenal 1
All other results were more or less as expected.
Nine Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Newcastle, Swansea , West Ham, Huddersfield
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Nine matches to go = 27 points to play for.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Nine Match Forecast)
Best result of the week: Brighton 2 Arsenal 1
All other results were more or less as expected.
Nine Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Newcastle, Swansea , West Ham, Huddersfield
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Nine matches to go = 27 points to play for.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Brighton | 29 | -10 | 34 |
11 | Everton | 29 | -16 | 34 |
12 | Bournemouth | 29 | -10 | 33 |
13 | Swansea | 29 | -17 | 30 |
14 | West Ham | 29 | -18 | 30 |
15 | Huddersfield | 29 | -25 | 30 |
16 | Newcastle | 29 | -13 | 29 |
17 | Southampton | 29 | -12 | 28 |
18 | Crystal Palace | 29 | -19 | 27 |
19 | Stoke | 29 | -26 | 27 |
20 | WBA | 29 | -21 | 20 |
Predicted Final Table (Nine Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Everton | 38 | -18 | 42-43 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -13 | 41-42 |
12 | Brighton | 38 | -16 | 40-41 |
13 | Huddersfield | 38 | -29 | 39-40 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -22 | 39 |
15 | Swansea | 38 | -22 | 38 |
16 | Newcastle | 38 | -16 | 37-38 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -22 | 35-36 |
18 | Stoke | 38 | -31 | 34-35 |
19 | Southampton | 38 | -18 | 33 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -24 | 28-29 |
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Halftime.
Stoke vs Everton 0 - 0: Stoke have a player sent off in a game they really have to be winning. My model assumes a home win or a draw.
Huddersfield vs Crystal Palace 0 - 1: my model doesn't take into account that Roy Hodgson is a highly experienced manager used to digging teams out of difficulty or that Palace have some great players. It just assumes that this is going to be either a home win or a draw. But in reality Palace were completely dominant in terms of control and attack in the first half. Chalk and cheese. Wagner somehow has to pull this around (unlikely).
Stoke vs Everton 0 - 0: Stoke have a player sent off in a game they really have to be winning. My model assumes a home win or a draw.
Huddersfield vs Crystal Palace 0 - 1: my model doesn't take into account that Roy Hodgson is a highly experienced manager used to digging teams out of difficulty or that Palace have some great players. It just assumes that this is going to be either a home win or a draw. But in reality Palace were completely dominant in terms of control and attack in the first half. Chalk and cheese. Wagner somehow has to pull this around (unlikely).
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Week 31 Final Results
Stoke vs Everton 1 - 2: I have to say that Paul Lambert was unlucky in having one of his players sent off and being reduced to ten men in the 30th minute of the first half. Stoke had been dominant up to that point. And then Paul Lambert was unlucky again in the second half. He added substitute Choupo-Moting in the 72nd minute, who scored an equaliser for Stoke five minutes later but in the process injured himself and so had to be substituted in the 79th minute. Everton then score the winner in the 84th minute.
Huddersfield 0 Crystal Palace 2: Palace were convincing winners. A very bad result for Huddersfield mitigated by the fact that Stoke also had a very bad result.
Bournemouth 2 WBA 1: a very good early performance by Pardew's team in the first half to go one - up. But Bournemouth came roaring back in the second half to expose WBA's lack of quality and come away with a home win.
Stoke vs Everton 1 - 2: I have to say that Paul Lambert was unlucky in having one of his players sent off and being reduced to ten men in the 30th minute of the first half. Stoke had been dominant up to that point. And then Paul Lambert was unlucky again in the second half. He added substitute Choupo-Moting in the 72nd minute, who scored an equaliser for Stoke five minutes later but in the process injured himself and so had to be substituted in the 79th minute. Everton then score the winner in the 84th minute.
Huddersfield 0 Crystal Palace 2: Palace were convincing winners. A very bad result for Huddersfield mitigated by the fact that Stoke also had a very bad result.
Bournemouth 2 WBA 1: a very good early performance by Pardew's team in the first half to go one - up. But Bournemouth came roaring back in the second half to expose WBA's lack of quality and come away with a home win.
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Huddersfield vs Crystal Palace 0 - 1: my model doesn't take into account that Roy Hodgson is a highly experienced manager used to digging teams out of difficulty or that Palace have some great players.
Nore?
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End of Week 30
All results more or less as expected EXCEPT FOR:
WBA 1 Leicester 4
West Ham 0 Burnley 3
Which represent very poor results for WBA and West Ham
• My simple model doesn’t account for momentum and at the moment West Ham have poor momentum losing their past three premiership matches 4-1, 4-1 and 0-3. Furthermore the atmosphere at West Ham’s home ground has turned extremely sour and with five home matches in their remaining fixtures it is imperative West Ham perform well at home to avoid relegation.
• I could comment on WBA but there is no point as they are as good as relegated as it stands.
Eight Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Swansea.
• Note that there is a closing of the gap between Stoke (currently a favourite for relegation) and the teams in danger of relegation. What with things that my model doesn’t take into account such as momentum and the change of manager at Southampton, things could begin to switch around over the coming rounds of matches.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Eight matches to go = 24 points to play for.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Eight Match Forecast)
All results more or less as expected EXCEPT FOR:
WBA 1 Leicester 4
West Ham 0 Burnley 3
Which represent very poor results for WBA and West Ham
• My simple model doesn’t account for momentum and at the moment West Ham have poor momentum losing their past three premiership matches 4-1, 4-1 and 0-3. Furthermore the atmosphere at West Ham’s home ground has turned extremely sour and with five home matches in their remaining fixtures it is imperative West Ham perform well at home to avoid relegation.
• I could comment on WBA but there is no point as they are as good as relegated as it stands.
Eight Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, West Ham, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Swansea.
• Note that there is a closing of the gap between Stoke (currently a favourite for relegation) and the teams in danger of relegation. What with things that my model doesn’t take into account such as momentum and the change of manager at Southampton, things could begin to switch around over the coming rounds of matches.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Eight matches to go = 24 points to play for.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Everton | 30 | -11 | 36 |
11 | Brighton | 30 | -12 | 34 |
12 | Bournemouth | 30 | -13 | 33 |
13 | Newcastle | 30 | -10 | 32 |
14 | Swansea | 30 | -17 | 31 |
15 | Huddersfield | 30 | -25 | 31 |
16 | West Ham | 30 | -21 | 30 |
17 | Southampton | 30 | -15 | 28 |
18 | Crystal Palace | 30 | -20 | 27 |
19 | Stoke | 30 | -28 | 27 |
20 | WBA | 30 | -24 | 20 |
Predicted Final Table (Eight Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Everton | 38 | -17 | 43-44 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -16 | 41 |
12 | Brighton | 38 | -17 | 40 |
13 | Newcastle | 38 | -14 | 38-39 |
14 | Swansea | 38 | -21 | 38-39 |
15 | Huddersfield | 38 | -29 | 38-39 |
16 | West Ham | 38 | -26 | 37 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -21 | 35-36 |
18 | Stoke | 38 | -32 | 34-35 |
19 | Southampton | 38 | -20 | 32-33 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -28 | 26-27 |
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I just want to note that the West Ham vs Southampton match today is critical.
If Southampton win at West Ham there will be a near six point swing in my model prediction and for the first time there will be a new favourite for relegation - West Ham rather than Southampton. [My model turns this match from a so-called six-pointer into a "potentialfive four and a half-pointer" and no I am not going to try to explain that.]
I know that my model is a bit simple (rubbish some might say) but it does help to provide a yardstick in how the present may affect the future.
If Southampton win at West Ham there will be a near six point swing in my model prediction and for the first time there will be a new favourite for relegation - West Ham rather than Southampton. [My model turns this match from a so-called six-pointer into a "potential
I know that my model is a bit simple (rubbish some might say) but it does help to provide a yardstick in how the present may affect the future.
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It’s my favourite part of this website
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The relegation scrap is beginning to resolve itself. Very bad result for Brighton, but Brighton has breathing space to absorb that home loss. WBA continue to disappoint (another home loss). WBA have 6 games remaining and probably need to win all of them to survive (having only won three so far): my model forecasts safety to be at around 37 to 38 points.
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I'm finding it hard to look past the three teams with the worst goal difference (Stoke, Huddersfield, WBA) at the moment.
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End of Week 31
Only four matches played. The remaining six have yet to be rescheduled. Hence “week 31” of the premiership is incomplete.
All results were as expected except for:
Stoke 1 Everton 2
Huddersfield 0 Crystal Palace 2
Very poor results for Stoke & Huddersfield, excellent result for Crystal Palace.
Seven - Eight Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, West Ham.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Seven - Eight matches to go = 21 – 24 points to play for
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Seven - Eight Match Forecast)
Only four matches played. The remaining six have yet to be rescheduled. Hence “week 31” of the premiership is incomplete.
All results were as expected except for:
Stoke 1 Everton 2
Huddersfield 0 Crystal Palace 2
Very poor results for Stoke & Huddersfield, excellent result for Crystal Palace.
Seven - Eight Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, West Ham.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Seven - Eight matches to go = 21 – 24 points to play for
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Bournemouth | 31 | -12 | 36 |
11 | Watford | 31 | -16 | 36 |
12 | Brighton | 30 | -12 | 34 |
13 | Newcastle | 30 | -10 | 32 |
14 | Swansea | 30 | -17 | 31 |
15 | Huddersfield | 31 | -27 | 31 |
16 | Crystal Palace | 31 | -18 | 30 |
17 | West Ham | 30 | -21 | 30 |
18 | Southampton | 30 | -15 | 28 |
19 | Stoke | 31 | -29 | 27 |
20 | WBA | 31 | -25 | 20 |
Predicted Final Table (Seven - Eight Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Watford | 38 | -19 | 44-45 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -15 | 42 |
12 | Brighton | 38 | -17 | 40 |
13 | Newcastle | 38 | -14 | 38-39 |
14 | Swansea | 38 | -21 | 38-39 |
15 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -19 | 38 |
16 | West Ham | 38 | -26 | 37 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -32 | 36-37 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -20 | 32-33 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -34 | 32-33 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -28 | 26 |
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Hi, it is entirely possible that WBA, Stoke and Huddersfield could be relegated. But as it stands and given the remaining fixtures, Southampton have to start to pull off some notable away wins or have a win or two against a top six side, while Huddersfield have to perform somewhat poorly at home (they have two important home matches against Watford and Everton).Lowlandbrit wrote:I'm finding it hard to look past the three teams with the worst goal difference (Stoke, Huddersfield, WBA) at the moment.
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You're very behind!
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No home wins, Newcastle and Burnley come away with away wins. Newcastle are now more or less safe from relegation.
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End of Week 32
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 0 Leicester 2
WBA 1 Burnley 2
These represent poorer than expected results for WBA and Brighton (according to the model).
Six - Seven Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Crystal Palace
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Note: Six - Seven matches to go = 18 – 21 points to play for. “Week 31” round of matches incomplete
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Six to Seven Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 0 Leicester 2
WBA 1 Burnley 2
These represent poorer than expected results for WBA and Brighton (according to the model).
Six - Seven Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Crystal Palace
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Note: Six - Seven matches to go = 18 – 21 points to play for. “Week 31” round of matches incomplete
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Bournemouth | 32 | -12 | 37 |
11 | Watford | 32 | -16 | 37 |
12 | Newcastle | 31 | -9 | 35 |
13 | Brighton | 31 | -14 | 34 |
14 | West Ham | 31 | -18 | 33 |
15 | Swansea | 31 | -19 | 31 |
16 | Huddersfield | 32 | -28 | 31 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 32 | -19 | 30 |
18 | Southampton | 31 | -18 | 28 |
19 | Stoke | 32 | -32 | 27 |
20 | WBA | 32 | -26 | 20 |
Predicted Final Table (Six to Seven Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Watford | 38 | -19 | 43-44 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -15 | 42-43 |
12 | Newcastle | 38 | -13 | 39-40 |
13 | Swansea | 38 | -21 | 38-39 |
14 | Brighton | 38 | -20 | 38 |
15 | West Ham | 38 | -23 | 38 |
16 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -19 | 37-38 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -32 | 36 |
18 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 32-33 |
19 | Southampton | 38 | -23 | 32 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -30 | 24 |
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You're still a week behind. Newcastle are 10th on 38 points.
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Beer wrote:You're still a week behind. Newcastle are 10th on 38 points.
Not bad for a championship squad
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End of Week 33
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Leicester 1 Newcastle 2
Watford 1 Burnley 2
Chelsea 1 West Ham 1
Newcastle, Burnley and West Ham performed much better than expected (according to the model). Newcastle are now effectively safe from relegation with three wins in a row. An oddity in this round of results was the fact that apart from Arsenal there were no home wins. Brighton slip into the “danger zone” after a home draw and following a home loss from last week. According to the model Brighton have no remaining winnable games but they do have games for which they can pick up a point (draw).
Five - Six Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Brighton
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Five - Six matches to go = 15 – 18 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” round of matches are incomplete: one match has been rescheduled for 19th April and the rest for 8-10th May.
Week 34 Fixtures: 14th to 16th April
Southampton vs Chelsea
Burnley vs Leicester City
Crystal Palace vs Brighton
Huddersfield vs Watford
Swansea City vs Everton
Liverpool vs Bournemouth
Tottenham vs Man City
Newcastle vs Arsenal
Man United vs WBA
West Ham vs Stoke
Note: Week 35 round of matches begin just a day later from 17th April onwards.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Five to Six Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Leicester 1 Newcastle 2
Watford 1 Burnley 2
Chelsea 1 West Ham 1
Newcastle, Burnley and West Ham performed much better than expected (according to the model). Newcastle are now effectively safe from relegation with three wins in a row. An oddity in this round of results was the fact that apart from Arsenal there were no home wins. Brighton slip into the “danger zone” after a home draw and following a home loss from last week. According to the model Brighton have no remaining winnable games but they do have games for which they can pick up a point (draw).
Five - Six Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Brighton
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Five - Six matches to go = 15 – 18 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” round of matches are incomplete: one match has been rescheduled for 19th April and the rest for 8-10th May.
Week 34 Fixtures: 14th to 16th April
Southampton vs Chelsea
Burnley vs Leicester City
Crystal Palace vs Brighton
Huddersfield vs Watford
Swansea City vs Everton
Liverpool vs Bournemouth
Tottenham vs Man City
Newcastle vs Arsenal
Man United vs WBA
West Ham vs Stoke
Note: Week 35 round of matches begin just a day later from 17th April onwards.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 32 | -8 | 38 |
11 | Bournemouth | 33 | -12 | 38 |
12 | Watford | 33 | -17 | 37 |
13 | Brighton | 32 | -14 | 35 |
14 | West Ham | 32 | -18 | 34 |
15 | Swansea | 32 | -19 | 32 |
16 | Huddersfield | 33 | -28 | 32 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 33 | -19 | 31 |
18 | Southampton | 32 | -19 | 28 |
19 | Stoke | 33 | -33 | 27 |
20 | WBA | 33 | -26 | 21 |
Predicted Final Table (Five to Six Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 38 | -12 | 42 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -15 | 41-42 |
12 | Watford | 38 | -21 | 41-42 |
13 | Swansea | 38 | -21 | 39 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -21 | 39 |
15 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -19 | 38 |
16 | Brighton | 38 | -20 | 37 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -32 | 36-37 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -22 | 32 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 32 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -30 | 23 |
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No name Bertie wrote: They do have games for which they can pick up a point (draw)
Your system has absolutely cracked this analysis business.
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If Southampton hold on for a home win against Chelsea AND Huddersfield lose at home to Watford, then we will have a new favourite for relegation - Huddersfield.
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No name Bertie wrote:If Southampton hold on for a home win against Chelsea
Southampton 2-3 Chelsea - Giroud (2), Hazard
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So in the end the results were more or less as expected with Southampton losing and Huddersfield winning.
However Southampton were leading 2-0 heading into the 70th minute while there has been some doubt with regard the attitude of the Chelsea players with Conte likely leaving in the summer - but somehow they scored three goals in 8 minutes resulting in a home loss for Southampton but against a top six side.
With Huddersfield there has been some doubt regarding their ability to score (less than one goal a game) but they managed to score in the 91st minute for a home win after withstanding attacking pressure from Watford in the earlier part of the game.
However Southampton were leading 2-0 heading into the 70th minute while there has been some doubt with regard the attitude of the Chelsea players with Conte likely leaving in the summer - but somehow they scored three goals in 8 minutes resulting in a home loss for Southampton but against a top six side.
With Huddersfield there has been some doubt regarding their ability to score (less than one goal a game) but they managed to score in the 91st minute for a home win after withstanding attacking pressure from Watford in the earlier part of the game.
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Arsenal have not done very well away and given they had a tough game in Russia on Thursday evening, there must be a very good chance for Newcastle to get a win over them at home on Sunday just after midday (depending on Benitez's tactics) - as most Arsenal players will have at most one day of rest and one day of light training (assuming Wenger plays his strongest side). However the "expected result" for Newcastle vs Arsenal is either a home loss or a home draw.
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End of Week 34
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Man Utd 0 WBA 1
Newcastle 2 Arsenal 1
With WBA and Newcastle performing much better than expected (according to the model). It is likely Arsenal suffered the effects of playing in Russia 2½ days previously and the effects of travelling back from Russia & up to Newcastle.
Four - Five Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Brighton, Huddersfield.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Four - Five matches to go = 12 – 15 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” round of matches are incomplete: one match has been rescheduled for 19th April and the rest for 8-10th May.
”Week 35 Fixtures” 17th to 23rd April
One “week 35” fixture is postponed due to the FA Cup.
One “week 31” fixture is rescheduled in this period.
Note Burnley play twice and Huddersfield don’t play at all in this period.
Brighton vs Spurs
Bournemouth vs Man Utd
Burnley vs Chelsea [reschedule Week 31 Fixture]
Leicester vs Southampton
WBA vs Liverpool
Watford vs Crystal Palace
Arsenal vs West Ham
Stoke vs Burnley
Man City vs Swansea
Everton vs Newcastle
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Four to Five Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Man Utd 0 WBA 1
Newcastle 2 Arsenal 1
With WBA and Newcastle performing much better than expected (according to the model). It is likely Arsenal suffered the effects of playing in Russia 2½ days previously and the effects of travelling back from Russia & up to Newcastle.
Four - Five Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Southampton & Stoke
In Danger of Relegation: Brighton, Huddersfield.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Four - Five matches to go = 12 – 15 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” round of matches are incomplete: one match has been rescheduled for 19th April and the rest for 8-10th May.
”Week 35 Fixtures” 17th to 23rd April
One “week 35” fixture is postponed due to the FA Cup.
One “week 31” fixture is rescheduled in this period.
Note Burnley play twice and Huddersfield don’t play at all in this period.
Brighton vs Spurs
Bournemouth vs Man Utd
Burnley vs Chelsea [reschedule Week 31 Fixture]
Leicester vs Southampton
WBA vs Liverpool
Watford vs Crystal Palace
Arsenal vs West Ham
Stoke vs Burnley
Man City vs Swansea
Everton vs Newcastle
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 33 | -7 | 41 |
11 | Bournemouth | 34 | -15 | 38 |
12 | Watford | 34 | -18 | 37 |
13 | Brighton | 33 | -15 | 35 |
14 | West Ham | 33 | -18 | 35 |
15 | Huddersfield | 34 | -27 | 35 |
16 | Crystal Palace | 34 | -18 | 34 |
17 | Swansea | 33 | -19 | 33 |
18 | Southampton | 33 | -20 | 28 |
19 | Stoke | 34 | -33 | 28 |
20 | WBA | 34 | -25 | 24 |
Predicted Final Table (Four to Five Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 38 | -10 | 44-45 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -16 | 41-42 |
12 | Watford | 38 | -21 | 41 |
13 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -18 | 39 |
14 | Swansea | 38 | -21 | 38 |
15 | West Ham | 38 | -22 | 38 |
16 | Huddersfield | 38 | -31 | 37-38 |
17 | Brighton | 38 | -21 | 36-37 |
18 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 32-33 |
19 | Southampton | 38 | -22 | 31-32 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -27 | 26 |
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End of Week 35
All results for lower half teams were as expected.
Three - Four Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Brighton.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
• Currently 42 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Three - Four matches to go = 9 – 12 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” & “Week 35” round of matches are incomplete: these have been rescheduled for 8-10th May.
”Week 36 Fixtures” 28th to 30th April
Liverpool vs Stoke
Burnley vs Brighton
Crystal Palace vs Leicester
Huddersfield vs Everton
Newcastle vs WBA
Southampton vs Bournemouth
Swansea vs Chelsea
West Ham vs Man City
Man United vs Arsenal
Spurs vs Watford
Note: WBA are expected to be relegated this week. Anything other than a victory away to Newcastle will see them relegated.
WBA will also be relegated if Swansea beat Chelsea.
It is also possible but unlikely for Stoke to be relegated this week. However by the end of this week Stoke will likely fall into
the category of certainties to be relegated.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Three to Four Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected.
Three - Four Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Brighton.
• Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
• Currently 42 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Three - Four matches to go = 9 – 12 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” & “Week 35” round of matches are incomplete: these have been rescheduled for 8-10th May.
”Week 36 Fixtures” 28th to 30th April
Liverpool vs Stoke
Burnley vs Brighton
Crystal Palace vs Leicester
Huddersfield vs Everton
Newcastle vs WBA
Southampton vs Bournemouth
Swansea vs Chelsea
West Ham vs Man City
Man United vs Arsenal
Spurs vs Watford
Note: WBA are expected to be relegated this week. Anything other than a victory away to Newcastle will see them relegated.
WBA will also be relegated if Swansea beat Chelsea.
It is also possible but unlikely for Stoke to be relegated this week. However by the end of this week Stoke will likely fall into
the category of certainties to be relegated.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 34 | -8 | 41 |
11 | Bournemouth | 35 | -17 | 38 |
12 | Watford | 35 | -18 | 38 |
13 | Brighton | 34 | -15 | 36 |
14 | Crystal Palace | 35 | -18 | 35 |
15 | West Ham | 34 | -21 | 35 |
16 | Huddersfield | 34 | -27 | 35 |
17 | Swansea | 34 | -24 | 33 |
18 | Southampton | 34 | -20 | 29 |
19 | Stoke | 35 | -33 | 29 |
20 | WBA | 35 | -25 | 25 |
Predicted Final Table (Three to Four Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 38 | -11 | 44 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -18 | 41 |
12 | Watford | 38 | -22 | 40 |
13 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -18 | 39-40 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -23 | 38 |
15 | Swansea | 38 | -24 | 38 |
16 | Huddersfield | 38 | -31 | 37-38 |
17 | Brighton | 38 | -20 | 37 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -22 | 32 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 31-32 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -27 | 26-27 |
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End of Week 36
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Liverpool 0 Stoke 0
Huddersfield 0 Everton 2
Newcastle 0 WBA 1
The most significant result was Huddersfield losing at home to Everton. This puts Huddersfield very much at risk of relegation
Two - Three Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
Next likely to be Relegated: Huddersfield
In Danger of Relegation: Swansea, Brighton, West Ham
• Other teams are safe or more or less safe.
• Currently 40 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Two - Three matches to go = 6 – 9 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” & “Week 35” round of matches are incomplete: these have been rescheduled for 8-10th May.
“Week 37 Fixtures” 4th to 6th May
Brighton vs Man United
Stoke vs Crystal Palace
Bournemouth vs Swansea
Leicester vs West Ham
Watford vs Newcastle
WBA vs Spurs
Everton vs Southampton
Man City vs Huddersfield
Arsenal vs Burnley
Chelsea vs Liverpool
Notes:
1) There arethree four ways WBA could be relegated this week: a) they do not beat Spurs. b) Swansea win at Bournemouth. c) Southampton win at Everton. d) Stoke beat Crystal Palace (because Swansea are scheduled to play both Stoke & Southampton).
2) If Stoke lose theycould be relegated this week if Swansea draw at Bournemouth or Southampton win at Everton will be relegated this week because Swansea play Southampton next week. Stoke could also be relegated this week if they draw depending on other results.
3) If Huddersfield lose at Man City and Southampton win at Everton, then Huddersfield will replace Southampton as favourite for relegation.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (Two to Three Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Liverpool 0 Stoke 0
Huddersfield 0 Everton 2
Newcastle 0 WBA 1
The most significant result was Huddersfield losing at home to Everton. This puts Huddersfield very much at risk of relegation
Two - Three Match Forecast Comment
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
Next likely to be Relegated: Huddersfield
In Danger of Relegation: Swansea, Brighton, West Ham
• Other teams are safe or more or less safe.
• Currently 40 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Two - Three matches to go = 6 – 9 points to play for.
Note: “Week 31” & “Week 35” round of matches are incomplete: these have been rescheduled for 8-10th May.
“Week 37 Fixtures” 4th to 6th May
Brighton vs Man United
Stoke vs Crystal Palace
Bournemouth vs Swansea
Leicester vs West Ham
Watford vs Newcastle
WBA vs Spurs
Everton vs Southampton
Man City vs Huddersfield
Arsenal vs Burnley
Chelsea vs Liverpool
Notes:
1) There are
2) If Stoke lose they
3) If Huddersfield lose at Man City and Southampton win at Everton, then Huddersfield will replace Southampton as favourite for relegation.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 35 | -9 | 41 |
11 | Crystal Palace | 36 | -13 | 38 |
12 | Bournemouth | 36 | -18 | 38 |
13 | Watford | 36 | -20 | 38 |
14 | Brighton | 35 | -15 | 37 |
15 | West Ham | 35 | -24 | 35 |
16 | Huddersfield | 35 | -29 | 35 |
17 | Swansea | 35 | -25 | 33 |
18 | Southampton | 35 | -19 | 32 |
19 | Stoke | 36 | -33 | 30 |
20 | WBA | 36 | -24 | 28 |
Predicted Final Table (Two to Three Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 38 | -12 | 42 |
11 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -13 | 40-41 |
12 | Bournemouth | 38 | -18 | 40-41 |
13 | Watford | 38 | -22 | 40 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -25 | 38 |
15 | Brighton | 38 | -20 | 37-38 |
16 | Swansea | 38 | -25 | 37-38 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -34 | 35-36 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -21 | 33 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -33 | 32-33 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -25 | 29 |
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Update: This season WBA Premiership Performance
Tony Pulis: ...... Played 12: Points 10: Points/game = 0.83: Goals scored/game = 0.75: Goals conceded/game = 1.50
Gary Megson: .. Played 02: Points 02: Points/game = 1.00: Goals scored/game = 1.50: Goals conceded/game = 1.50
Alan Pardew: ... Played 18: Points 08: Points/game = 0.44: Goals scored/game = 0.72: Goals conceded/game = 1.67
Darren Moore: . Played 04: Points 08: Points/game = 2.00: Goals scored/game = 1.25: Goals conceded/game = 0.75
Update: This season Watford Premiership Performance
Marco Silva: .... Played 24: Points 26: Points/game = 1.08: Goals scored/game = 1.38: Goals conceded/game = 1.83
Javi Gracia: ..... Played 12: Points 12: Points/game = 1.00: Goals scored/game = 0.83: Goals conceded/game = 1.58
Tony Pulis: ...... Played 12: Points 10: Points/game = 0.83: Goals scored/game = 0.75: Goals conceded/game = 1.50
Gary Megson: .. Played 02: Points 02: Points/game = 1.00: Goals scored/game = 1.50: Goals conceded/game = 1.50
Alan Pardew: ... Played 18: Points 08: Points/game = 0.44: Goals scored/game = 0.72: Goals conceded/game = 1.67
Darren Moore: . Played 04: Points 08: Points/game = 2.00: Goals scored/game = 1.25: Goals conceded/game = 0.75
Update: This season Watford Premiership Performance
Marco Silva: .... Played 24: Points 26: Points/game = 1.08: Goals scored/game = 1.38: Goals conceded/game = 1.83
Javi Gracia: ..... Played 12: Points 12: Points/game = 1.00: Goals scored/game = 0.83: Goals conceded/game = 1.58
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Brighton perform above expectation by beating Man Utd at home. They gain three points taking them to 40 points which guarantees them safety from relegation. Brighton's last two games are away to Manchester City and away to Liverpool.
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Stoke lose at home to Crystal Palace. This means they are relegated because they now cannot catch Huddersfield, and they cannot catch both of Swansea and Southampton, because Swansea and Southampton play against each other next Tuesday, so at least one of them will finish above Stoke.
The reason for Stoke's relegation seems to be a lack of defensive energy and a lack of quality in attack; when they lose the ball not enough players are willing to track back - leaving the defence exposed. Despite having a top goalkeeper in Jack Butland they have conceded 67 goals and only scored 34 goals. The die was set under Mark Hughes management.
The reason for Stoke's relegation seems to be a lack of defensive energy and a lack of quality in attack; when they lose the ball not enough players are willing to track back - leaving the defence exposed. Despite having a top goalkeeper in Jack Butland they have conceded 67 goals and only scored 34 goals. The die was set under Mark Hughes management.
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With the results to date (following Saturday May 5th), 38 points guarantees safety. So West Ham have avoided relegation with their win away at Leicester. Currently:
a) Stoke are relegated.
b) WBA are certainties to be relegated (but a heroic effort so far from Darren Moore).
c) One of Southampton, Huddersfield and Swansea will be relegated: Southampton are favorites to be relegated, followed by Huddersfield and then Swansea.
a) Stoke are relegated.
b) WBA are certainties to be relegated (but a heroic effort so far from Darren Moore).
c) One of Southampton, Huddersfield and Swansea will be relegated: Southampton are favorites to be relegated, followed by Huddersfield and then Swansea.
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End of Week 37
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 1 Man Utd 0
Stoke 1 Crystal Palace 2
Leicester 0 West Ham 2
WBA 1 Spurs 0
Man City 0 Huddersfield 0
Stoke are relegated and Brighton, West Ham and Crystal Palace have guaranteed safety.
One – Two Match Forecast Comment
Relegated: Stoke
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourite to be Relegated: Southampton
Still In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Swansea
• All other teams ARE safe.
• Currently 38 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Note: One - Two matches to go = 3 – 6 points to play for.
Rescheduled Matches from “Week’s 31 & 35”: 8th to 10th May
Swansea vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Huddersfield
Leicester vs Arsenal
Man City vs Brighton
Spurs vs Newcastle
West Ham vs Man Utd
Notes:
1) The most significant match is Swansea vs Southampton:
a) If either Swansea or Southampton win then WBA are relegated.
b) If Swansea win then Southampton become certainties for relegation.
c) As pointed out by Dolphin Ziggler below, if Southampton win they become certainties to stay up (by means of goal difference over Swansea).
d) If either Swansea or Southampton win then Huddersfield can secure safety by drawing at Chelsea.
2) If Huddersfield win they will secure safety.
Current Table
Predicted Final Table (One to Two Match Forecast)
All results for lower half teams were as expected except for:
Brighton 1 Man Utd 0
Stoke 1 Crystal Palace 2
Leicester 0 West Ham 2
WBA 1 Spurs 0
Man City 0 Huddersfield 0
Stoke are relegated and Brighton, West Ham and Crystal Palace have guaranteed safety.
One – Two Match Forecast Comment
Relegated: Stoke
Certainties to be Relegated: WBA
Favourite to be Relegated: Southampton
Still In Danger of Relegation: Huddersfield, Swansea
• All other teams ARE safe.
• Currently 38 points guarantees safety from relegation.
Note: One - Two matches to go = 3 – 6 points to play for.
Rescheduled Matches from “Week’s 31 & 35”: 8th to 10th May
Swansea vs Southampton
Chelsea vs Huddersfield
Leicester vs Arsenal
Man City vs Brighton
Spurs vs Newcastle
West Ham vs Man Utd
Notes:
1) The most significant match is Swansea vs Southampton:
a) If either Swansea or Southampton win then WBA are relegated.
b) If Swansea win then Southampton become certainties for relegation.
c) As pointed out by Dolphin Ziggler below, if Southampton win they become certainties to stay up (by means of goal difference over Swansea).
d) If either Swansea or Southampton win then Huddersfield can secure safety by drawing at Chelsea.
2) If Huddersfield win they will secure safety.
Current Table
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Newcastle | 36 | -10 | 41 |
11 | Crystal Palace | 37 | -12 | 41 |
12 | Bournemouth | 37 | -17 | 41 |
13 | Watford | 37 | -19 | 41 |
14 | Brighton | 36 | -14 | 40 |
15 | West Ham | 36 | -22 | 38 |
16 | Huddersfield | 36 | -29 | 36 |
17 | Southampton | 36 | -19 | 33 |
18 | Swansea | 36 | -26 | 33 |
19 | WBA | 37 | -23 | 31 |
20 | Stoke | 37 | -34 | 30 |
Predicted Final Table (One to Two Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -12 | 43 |
11 | Newcastle | 38 | -13 | 41-42 |
12 | Bournemouth | 38 | -18 | 41-42 |
13 | Watford | 38 | -21 | 41 |
14 | West Ham | 38 | -22 | 40-41 |
15 | Brighton | 38 | -18 | 40 |
16 | Swansea | 38 | -25 | 37 |
17 | Huddersfield | 38 | -32 | 36-37 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -21 | 33-34 |
19 | WBA | 38 | -24 | 31-32 |
20 | Stoke | 38 | -35 | 30-31 |
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All results went as expect except half.
Southampton are all but safe if they beat Swansea as there’d need at least a nine goal swing
Southampton are all but safe if they beat Swansea as there’d need at least a nine goal swing
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So WBA, Stoke and free-falling Swansea are relegated, while Southampton and Huddersfield survive with one game to play.
Overall the model was probably the simplest model possible to take into account the remaining fixtures to be played with ten rounds of games to go.
To improve the model, to make it slightly less simple, I have noticed a few factors that could be introduced to improve the model. The most important factor is "momentum" - when a team goes on either a "good run" or a "bad run". This was why the model failed to recognise the danger to Swansea until more or less the last moment.
Overall the model was probably the simplest model possible to take into account the remaining fixtures to be played with ten rounds of games to go.
To improve the model, to make it slightly less simple, I have noticed a few factors that could be introduced to improve the model. The most important factor is "momentum" - when a team goes on either a "good run" or a "bad run". This was why the model failed to recognise the danger to Swansea until more or less the last moment.
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Re: Bertie's Relegation Prediction Thread - A Work in Progress
The last 2 month moment...
Who did the model predict relegation for initially?
Who did the model predict relegation for initially?
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Re: Bertie's Relegation Prediction Thread - A Work in Progress
My ten match forecast (30 points remaining) is given below. I had WBA, Stoke and Southampton as favourites. They remained favourites until this mid-week series of rescheduled games - when Swansea blew their chances, and Southampton and Huddersfield endeavoured to get the points to drag themselves to safety. Southampton are not "mathematically safe" but they are three points ahead of Swansea with a far superior goal difference.
End of Week 28
Ten Match Forecast Comment
Highly Likely to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, Brighton
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Ten matches to go = thirty points to play for.
Predicted Final Table (Ten Match Forecast)
End of Week 28
Ten Match Forecast Comment
Highly Likely to be Relegated: WBA
Favourites to be Relegated: Stoke & Southampton
In Danger of Relegation: Crystal Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, Brighton
Other teams have breathing space, and all things being equal, should be safe.
Ten matches to go = thirty points to play for.
Predicted Final Table (Ten Match Forecast)
Position | Football Team | Played | GD | Points |
---------- | ------------------ | -------- | ------ | -------- |
10 | Watford | 38 | -15 | 43 - 44 |
11 | Bournemouth | 38 | -14 | 41 |
12 | West Ham | 38 | -20 | 39 - 40 |
13 | Huddersfield | 38 | -29 | 39 - 40 |
14 | Brighton | 38 | -17 | 38 |
15 | Newcastle | 38 | -16 | 37 - 38 |
16 | Swansea | 38 | -24 | 37 |
17 | Crystal Palace | 38 | -22 | 36 |
18 | Southampton | 38 | -17 | 34 |
19 | Stoke | 38 | -32 | 34 |
20 | WBA | 38 | -24 | 29 |
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