Ulster Rugby 2017-2018 Part 2

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rodders wrote:Whitten?

Never in a million years - he loves it there.
His Dad told me so

geoff999rugby wrote:

rodders wrote:Whitten?

Never in a million years - he loves it there.
His Dad told me so

Think you can tell even from just watching him, he may not be a first choice player but he seems to be an important part of their squad and has bought into what they are doing there plus he's competing for trophies there

Apparently Herbst has played LH in his SA days.
Given he has the 17 shirt suggest he is covering
To be honest never seen him pack down at LH for Ulster, and that includes training sessions I have seen.

geoff999rugby wrote:

rodders wrote:Whitten?

Never in a million years - he loves it there.
His Dad told me so

I'm stumped then, KOTH seems to be suggesting it is someone playing outside Ireland.

Ulster team to play Benetton Rugby, Guinness PRO14, Friday 25th January, Kingspan Stadium (7.35pm):
(15-9): M Lowry; R Baloucoune, J Hume, S McCloskey, L Ludik; B Burns, D Shanahan;
(1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, M Moore, A O’Connor (captain), K Treadwell, I Nagle, N Timoney, G Jones;
Replacements (16-23): J Andrew, W Herbst, T O'Toole, M Dalton, C Ross, J Stewart, D Cave, R Lyttle

Nagle in the backrow, Herbst covering loosehead it seems

rodders wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

rodders wrote:Whitten?

Never in a million years - he loves it there.
His Dad told me so

I'm stumped then, KOTH seems to be suggesting it is someone playing outside Ireland.

Another Burns type signing ahead maybe with an unknown Irish granny

Irish grannies sure got some great genes! Everybody wants some.

geoff999rugby wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Addison's rise into the Ireland squad has been pretty unreal hasn't it? He was pretty much a journey man in the English premiership.

He was never a journey man.
Had some injure issues but was a class act at Sale, at least to those who understand the game

Main problem at Sale was that the backs there virtually never get picked for England duty, so his profile was never going to be that big as Sale aren't a fashionable club. He was also one of four homegrown talents who emerged around the same time Addison, Haley, Jennings and James. How Sam James doesn't have a dozen caps to his name I don't know.

Could be that Ulster have found another talent with Irish heritage playing outside of Ireland.

KOTH also said the following:

"I’m soo surprised nobody seen/reported him being at the Racing game.....nothing to do with Simon Zebo btw"

Have we signed David Humphreys? He was definitely there

BENETTON:
L Sperandio; R Tavuyara, T Iannone, M Zanon, M Ioane; I McKinley (c), D Duvenage;
N Quaglio, H Faiva, M Riccioni; I Herbst, F Ruzza; M Lazzaroni, M Lamaro, T Halafihi.

Subs: T Baravalle, C Traore, S Ferrari, M Fuser, G Pettinelli, M Barbini, E Gori, I Brex.


My knowledge of the Benetton team isn't great but someone else said they got some players released from Italian camp, but still doing without 11 players.

Was Brett Connon at the game? The Newcastle 10/15 played with McPhillips in the u20 JWC final and is handy cover, if not sparkling potential.

Ian Whitten is contracted till the summer of 2021 by which time he will be 34.

The Great Aukster wrote:Was Brett Connon at the game? The Newcastle 10/15 played with McPhillips in the u20 JWC final and is handy cover, if not sparkling potential.

Ohh that's a good shout.

rodders wrote:

The Great Aukster wrote:Was Brett Connon at the game? The Newcastle 10/15 played with McPhillips in the u20 JWC final and is handy cover, if not sparkling potential.

Ohh that's a good shout.

But then why would the KOTH fella say "I’m soo surprised nobody seen/reported him being at the Racing game" when most people wouldn't recognize him let alone report him being there.
Did anyone see any well known Irish qualified utility backs at the Racing game? Anyone????

Was Billys big brother at the game?

marty2086 wrote:Was Billys big brother at the game?

Freddie's been capped by England.

Not IQ

Agree re Cannon doesn't fit the clue

formerly known as Sam wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Was Billys big brother at the game?

Freddie's been capped by England.

It's been nearly 5 years though hasn't it? A game of sevens in October or whenever the next tournament is would qualify him would it not?

Piutau and Tonga were trying to get it brought forward to before the RWC so he could qualify

Im just having a bit of fun with it all but not impossible

There's only one instantly recognizable Irish qualified Utility back that I can think of, a player who'd love to be on the international radar....again.
I'll not mention him in case anyone gets mad....again.

Olding?

He certainly would be good enough in that he can play ten, centre and 15 but I don’t see it. Isn’t he earning a small fortune with Bristol. Genuinely at a loss unless it’s another surprise IQ, a bit like Addison

Olding has signed on for Brive

Is he really hinting Zebo is moving to Ulster?

marty2086 wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Was Billys big brother at the game?

Freddie's been capped by England.

It's been nearly 5 years though hasn't it? A game of sevens in October or whenever the next tournament is would qualify him would it not?

Piutau and Tonga were trying to get it brought forward to before the RWC so he could qualify

Im just having a bit of fun with it all but not impossible

Freddie is not IQ therefore it is not him and will always be NIQ - 5 years is irrelevant if you have played for another country, at least a 1st tier nation

Kingshu wrote:Is he really hinting Zebo is moving to Ulster?

Can't see it. Surely he'd return to Munster, he's loved down there.

Is there any other players for Racing who might be in the frame?

Redman wrote:

Kingshu wrote:Is he really hinting Zebo is moving to Ulster?

Can't see it.  Surely he'd return to Munster, he's loved down there.  

Is there any other players for Racing who might be in the frame?

KOTH says it isn't Zebo and there's nobody else on the Racing squad that fits the criteria. We'll all know soon enough though.

geoff999rugby wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Was Billys big brother at the game?

Freddie's been capped by England.

It's been nearly 5 years though hasn't it? A game of sevens in October or whenever the next tournament is would qualify him would it not?

Piutau and Tonga were trying to get it brought forward to before the RWC so he could qualify

Im just having a bit of fun with it all but not impossible

Freddie is not IQ therefore it is not him and will always be NIQ - 5 years is irrelevant if you have played for another country, at least a 1st tier nation

You're actually wrong on that one geoff

Toutai Kefu wrote:We were actively exploring a group of players, not just Charles, that were in the same boat and whether we could qualify them before the World Cup, and we can't

First of all they've got to sit out three years, which Charles has, and a group of other guys have.

The next process is we have to qualify them in an Olympic qualifying Sevens tournament and the only one that's available to us is after the World Cup.

We looked into trying to move that tournament to before the World Cup and were unsuccessful in doing that.

Like I said, it was said jokingly but Im sure it won't be long until someone exploits the system given the situation with the residency period being prolonged

marty2086 wrote:

geoff999rugby wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Was Billys big brother at the game?

Freddie's been capped by England.

It's been nearly 5 years though hasn't it? A game of sevens in October or whenever the next tournament is would qualify him would it not?

Piutau and Tonga were trying to get it brought forward to before the RWC so he could qualify

Im just having a bit of fun with it all but not impossible

Freddie is not IQ therefore it is not him and will always be NIQ - 5 years is irrelevant if you have played for another country, at least a 1st tier nation

You're actually wrong on that one geoff

Actually I am right

World Rugby’s Regulation 8.

Which country can a player represent?

There are four ways a player can be eligible to represent a country at international level. They are:
1.They were born in the country.
2.They have a parent or grandparent who was born in the country.
3.They have lived in the country for 36 consecutive months (three years) to qualify on residency immediately before playing.
4.They have completed ten years of cumulative residence in the country before playing.

With regards to point three, the residency rule increases to 60 months (five years) on 31 December 2020, so only players who moved countries up to 31 December 2017 will be eligible under the three-year rule above. Anyone who has moved since the start of 2018 will be subject to the five-year rule.

Point four was another reform introduced at the same time as the five-year rule but came into use in May 2017.

When is a player ‘captured’ by a country?

Captured is the term used when a player becomes tied to one country and can no longer represent another nation on the international stage.

This happens when a player plays for one of three teams:
1.The senior 15-a-side national representative team of a union. This is quite simple and basically means playing in a Test match, eg England v Ireland in the Six Nations.
2.The next senior 15-a-side national representative team of a union. This is where it gets slightly complicated as each union may have a different idea of what to nominate as their second team. It could be an A team, like England Saxons, but it’s up to each union to decide which team they want to designate as their ‘next senior’ side. In the past some unions have nominated their U20 side, but since the start of 2018 they are no longer able to do that.
3.The senior national representative sevens team of a union where the player is aged 20 or older or, if at an Olympics or Sevens World Cup, the player has reached the age of majority (18).



Freddie Burns has played as a Full International for England and as such meet point 1 under 'captured' by a country and therefore can play for no country except England

So it's the Highlanders utility back  Matt Faddes. Plays right across the backline. A classy looking player. All Blacks 7's and started for the Barbarians at Wembley.

Pete330v2 wrote:So it's the Highlanders utility back  Matt Faddes. Plays right across the backline. A classy looking player. All Blacks 7's and started for the Barbarians at Wembley.

Where's this come from?

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulser-set-to-sign-highlanders-back-faddes-37747484.html

Seems about equal to Addison in terms of how well thought of he is. So I’m just going to trust we’ve unearthed another gem who can really excel at Ulster.

He’s a good player from what I remember. Very quick and elusive albeit possibly not as good a defender as some of the other highlanders backs. Then again the highlanders game wasn’t predicated on defence. I’d suggest there are probably a decent few YouTube clips with his tries. He will be very useful imo, especially when Addison and stockdale are away

Pete330v2 wrote:So it's the Highlanders utility back  Matt Faddes. Plays right across the backline. A classy looking player. All Blacks 7's and started for the Barbarians at Wembley.

How's he IQ?

My thought exactly KOTH said he was IQ and hinted he was recognisable to the average Ulster fan
Does he have an Irish granny ?
I assume not but as not tied to ABs he could be considered our Project albeit too old for Ireland after 5 years.
Leaves room for NIE LH and Lock

If he's played for the AB 7s surely he has been 'captured' according to you?

Damn, talk about a curve ball.

marty2086 wrote:If he's played for the AB 7s surely he has been 'captured' according to you?

Don't think so because I believe that was one of the changes made at the same time as extending Project from 3  to 5 years

Sevens players will only be captured for the purposes of Regulation 8 where the player has represented either of (i) the senior national representative sevens team of a union where the player has reached the age of 20 on or before the date of participation; or (ii) the national representative sevens team of a union in the Olympic Games or Rugby World Cup Sevens, having reached the age of majority on or before the date of participation in such tournament (effective 1 July, 2017)

Note the date July 2017.
This would not be back dated so on that basis I suggest Faddes is not NIE but NIQ
Comes down to what were the rules for Sevens players prior to this change

By the way they are not my rules but those of World Rugby

I thought each country had a designated second team. I thought only two teams would qualify you nationally and for ABs I thought it was Maori or their U21s?
Definatly think somebody said their U21s were their 'second' team once.
Am I making up memories again here?

Also, back to KOTH - I'm not sure this announcement is the same as the one he was hinting at. Why would he assume any regular Ulster attendees at the match would know the face of Matt Faddes? He's hardly a household name - at least not in Northern Hemi.

Maybe this guy is NIQ, but theres also and IQ back still too be announced.

Clive to quote from the World Rugby rules above

In the past some unions have nominated their U20 side, but since the start of 2018 they are no longer able to do that.

Matt Faddes has only played for the Sevens no other All Black team, so it comes down to what the rules were then concerning the Sevens team.
He did not play in a Sevens World Cup, if relevant.

Regarding KOTH you make a good point - either there is a second player in the wings or he made an error

From what I gather there was one utility back to be announced in January, he suggested likely Irish but must have got that wrong.

Anyway looks like a very handy signing.

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Jackson has signed for LI.

Makes sense for Jackson to go to LI. Perpignan are getting relegated and LI are getting promoted. I think if he has a good season there he should be considered for a return to Ulster in my view.

It would also be good for Olding if Brive were to get promoted and I think they are there or thereabouts.

Jackson and Olding will never play for Ulster again, the IRFU and the players won't want what comes with that happening

Jacksons only scored a few points less than Russell so far in the league, imagine what he'd be doing in a team that wasn't being dominated week in week out. Will LI be any different to Perpignan?

Brive are near the top of Pro D2 but it's pretty congested

Jackson and Olding will never sign for Ulster

Move makes little sense to me - move from one relegated team to one that will be relegated.
I suspect he will have a relegation get out clause.
This season is about him putting himself in the shop window for the bigger English teams

My bet is more people in Ulster have heard of Brett Connon than Matt Faddes... just saying!

Do we even know if there will be relegation in the Prem next season?

Relegation won't go away from the Prem in time for next season.

The talk of Jackson going to a bigger English club is unlikely. Wasps, Sarries, Tigers, Glaws and Saints have all got high profile flyhalfs that aren't going anywhere, Chiefs won't touch him because of his reputation and so he's only left with the two northern clubs (Sale are likely to go for the cheaper SA option du Preez), LI or the relegation fodder in the West.

geoff999rugby wrote:Jackson and Olding will never sign for Ulster

Move makes little sense to me - move from one relegated team to one that will be relegated.
I suspect he will have a relegation get out clause.
This season is about him putting himself in the shop window for the bigger English teams

LI are going to splash their CVC money to stay up, Phipps, Coleman and Rona are all linked with them plus they've sign Allan Dell and Steve Mafi

True but then look at the money Bristol have

Was Brett Connon at the Racing Game Aukster??

I have to say along with this signing of a utility back I'm starting to wonder if Nelson will be shipped on. He hasn't really done enough has he?

In other news, Sam Carter (Brumbies lock - 14 AUs caps) linked with a move to Ulster.

And since SR season hasn't started is this perhaps going to be an immediate signing I wonder??

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/brumbies-brace-for-twin-tower-blow-as-sam-carter-weighs-up-irish-move-20190125-p50tl2.html