Muirfield invites ladies to join

by I'm never wrong Thu 27 Jun 2019, 2:25 pm

Story on the BBC Website

by McLaren Fri 28 Jun 2019, 12:28 am

If the womens waiting list is shorter would it be worth transitioning to get a Muirfield membership?

by super_realist Fri 28 Jun 2019, 7:57 am

Just another token gesture Mac in regards to equality. Same as happens at the R&A. They aren't any more equal then they used to be. They still get special privileges at St. Andrews so equality means nothing more to them than it did before.

by Roller_Coaster Fri 28 Jun 2019, 8:44 am

Bit of a joke isn't it.

NHS - we've decided to roll out this life saving treatment for xyz condition that affects 50% of the population.

2 years later we've agreed to let 12 people have access, once they've passed a rigorous peer approved vetting process.

by super_realist Fri 28 Jun 2019, 4:12 pm

Roller_Coaster wrote:Bit of a joke isn't it.

NHS - we've decided to roll out this life saving treatment for xyz condition that affects 50% of the population.

2 years later we've agreed to let 12 people have access, once they've passed a rigorous peer approved vetting process.

More like they're in a half nelson and are being forced to give 12 people of the opposite sex access when they don't want to at all. The R&A, Muirfield and all these organisations are transparently dishonest.

by McLaren Fri 28 Jun 2019, 5:41 pm

Super

I am surprised you care about equal status in golf clubs?

by super_realist Sat 29 Jun 2019, 7:06 am

McLaren wrote:Super

I am surprised you care about equal status in golf clubs?

Of course I do Mac, who wants to be part of a club that is exclusively full of men, especially the type you get in golf clubs?
Unfortunately I have to be a member of a club in St.Andrews to hold a links ticket. All three (there's 4 but you need to be in 1 of the 3 to get into the 4th) have at one time been all male clubs. They're terrible places and people still give the stink eye when they see a woman in their clubhouse.

As for equal status, I'd like to see the word "men's" and "women's" removed from the tee category and replaced with ones of ability. There's tons of men who should be off the Red Tees and plenty women who could play off the tees that are traditionally "men's". I'm sure you'd agree with that.

by McLaren Sat 29 Jun 2019, 7:57 am

I am sort of flabbergasted, it's like I could have written that post.

The tee marker point is crucial for speeding things up. Get the wild higher handicap players on the shortest tees and hopefully less time will be spent looking for errant drives because they can go for irons and hybrids off the tee if they want.

Looking for balls is just the pits.

by super_realist Mon 01 Jul 2019, 8:15 am

McLaren wrote:I am sort of flabbergasted, it's as if I could have written that post.

The tee marker point is crucial for speeding things up. Get the wild higher handicap players on the shortest tees and hopefully less time will be spent looking for errant drives because they can go for irons and hybrids off the tee if they want.

Looking for balls is just the pits.

If you ever watch a hacker carve it into the rough you'll usually notice two things:

1. They very rarely watch the ball finish up.
2. They usually look about 100 yards further on than they've ever hit it in their lives.

However it's just one of the many reasons why golf is ridiculously slow at times.

by dynamark Mon 01 Jul 2019, 1:39 pm

Please to say that my club from the off in 1993 was equal for ladies and gents no tee /day restrictions but also equal green fees.We do try to group the ladies together in comps for obvious reasons.
A friend of mine now well into his 80 s has campaigned long and hard to be able to play off the red tees.He is the most enthusiastic golfer and person in general but wants to continue enjoying the game despite loosing yards due to age.He put forward a long article on the subject which I think went into Todays Golfer magazine last year.Lot of sense in it to keep these guys involved -happy to have a handicap adjustment but wants to play golf that he can enjoy rather than endure.

by McLaren Mon 01 Jul 2019, 2:35 pm

Surely if you there are those worrying about his handicap just get him to put three cards in off the reds?

by dynamark Mon 01 Jul 2019, 3:39 pm

Hi Mac at present he is not allowed to play off the red(ladies)tees but he struggles for carry off yellow and white which are the tees generally in use ,he would be happy to take a slight reduction in handicap ( think he is off about 30) to really enjoy his golf again and feel involved.This is top class ex president captain musician organiser just the kind of guy every golf club needs
Open website is still not functioning at all I would expect the sponsors listed all over it to be having a serious word.Im going to have a couple of hours at Holinwell pm tomorrow to see the business end

by I'm never wrong Mon 01 Jul 2019, 6:11 pm

dynamark wrote:Open website is still not functioning at all I would expect the sponsors listed all over it to be having a serious word.Im going to have a couple of hours at Holinwell pm tomorrow to see the business end

I can get into the Open website quite easily. The results for the regional qualifying were posted, but they didn't tell you where the individuals would play their next round. Just been on the website again, but still no listing of players for each location. Hollinwell is HERE

by I'm never wrong Mon 01 Jul 2019, 6:13 pm

Update. I found the draw. In case you still can't get on I'll list it in a bit. It's HERE if you can get to it.

by I'm never wrong Mon 01 Jul 2019, 6:25 pm

First line is their name, second line is their club or affiliation. First tee around 06.30 last player goes off on their second round just after 4 pm.

Ben Firth (a)
Leeds Golf Centre
Jamie Abbott
Ryan Evans
Wellingborough
James Biggs (a)
Diss
Robert Burlison
Enville
Sam Broadhurst (a)
Atherstone
Jack Slater
Letchworth
Neil Vowles
Burton on Trent
Sam Edwards
Bigbury
James Walker
The Oaks
Jamie Brittain
Matthew Lea Golf Academy
Sam Cutting
Berkhamsted
Jack Hawksby (a)
The Millbrook
Jordan Wrisdale
Boston
Noel Quinn
Chartridge Park
Alfie Plant
Sundridge Park
Robert Rock
RRGA
Tyler Hogarty
Rodway Hill
Hugo Dobson
Woodbridge
Simon Khan
Hanbury Manor
Van Phillips
Stoke Park
Billy Hemstock
Roehampton Club
Oliver Farrell (a)
Evesham
Thomas Doran (a)
Delamere Forest
Andrew Arft
USA
Jake Burnage (a)
Saunton
Oliver Sullivan (a)
Phoenix
Marco Penge
Golf at Goodwood
Michael Hoey
Golf at Galgorm Resort & Spa
Tom Shadbolt
Brocket Hall
Jake Hibbert (a)
Delamere Forest
Luke Jackson
Lindrick
Max Orrin
Unattached
Christopher Hanson
Woodsome Hall
Luke Rogers (a)
Kidderminster
William Whiteoak
Shipley
Andrew Wilson
Rockliffe Hall
Daniel Ball
Eligo Club
Min Woo Lee
Australia
Angus Flanagan (a)
St George's Hill
Dominic Foos
Germany
Edward Vernon
Sutton Coldfield
Brendan McCarroll
West Cliffs
Henry Sheridan-Mills
Walsall
Tom Sloman (a)
Taunton & Pickeridge
George Bloor
Cavendish
Robin Sciot-Siegrist
France
Simon Lilly
Staverton Park
Dongwon Kim
Korea
Gary King
Tyrrells Wood
Rhys Enoch
Truro
David Borda
Spain
Robert Brazill (a)
Republic of Ireland
Thomas Thurloway (a)
Chartham Park
Mark Laskey
Brocket Hall
Olly Huggins (a)
Frilford Heath
Ryan Harmer
Brokenhurst Manor
Gary Gilligan
Sweetwoods Park
Josh Loughrey
Wrag Barn
Philip White (a)
Burnham & Berrow
David Hague (a)
Malton & Norton
Gareth Shaw
Moyola Park
Jack Harrison
The Wisley
Billy Spooner
Boston West
James Sharp
Mid Sussex
Mathew Johnson
Cotswolds Club
Ashton Turner
Kenwick Park
Michael Watson
Wessex Golf Centre
Tom Gould
Robert Rock Golf Academy
David Coupland
Woodhall Spa
Reece Samson
Bondhay
Tom Gandy
Rowany

by Plunky Tue 02 Jul 2019, 1:07 pm

dynamark wrote:Hi Mac at present he is not allowed to play off the red(ladies)tees but he struggles for carry off yellow and white which are the tees generally in use ,he would be happy to take a slight reduction in handicap ( think he is off about 30) to really enjoy his golf again and feel involved.This is top class ex president captain musician organiser just the kind of guy every golf club needs
Open website is still not functioning at all I would expect the sponsors listed all over it to be having a serious word.Im going to have a couple of hours at Holinwell pm tomorrow to see the business end

Our club put in new tees recently. Used to be white and blue (played mostly by men) and red (played exclusively by women). They added senior tees which are a manly shade of green and are just a little bit longer than red but significantly shorter than white on the longer holes. It meant adding a couple of new tee boxes and lengthening existing red tee boxes. They've proved very popular. For a lot of men there's a certain stigma attached to playing off red tees, but give them green tees of a similar length and they love it !

by kwinigolfer Tue 02 Jul 2019, 3:24 pm

Plunky,
Are you specifically referring to moi?

Fortunately, both courses I tend to play don't give a monkey's what tees men, women, children use so long as they pay their greens fees.

by I'm never wrong Tue 02 Jul 2019, 4:26 pm

I think our course is going to do the same with green tees. It’s in our 5 year maintenance plan.

by Plunky Tue 02 Jul 2019, 5:54 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Plunky,
Are you specifically referring to moi?

Fortunately, both courses I tend to play don't give a monkey's what tees men, women, children use so long as they pay their greens fees.

Actually, I heard that you are sneaky long off the tee Kwini ! I think our courses did it partly for the many senior members who find certain holes too long for them, but also to help with the pace of play in summer when we have may so many tourists clogging up the courses.

We've noticed in Bermuda that the longer courses have developed hybrid score cards to encourage men to play most holes from the white tees but move forward to the senior tees on certain long holes. So they can play the course a little shorter but can still post an honest handicap if they want to. Apparently that's been pretty popular.

by dynamark Wed 03 Jul 2019, 11:55 am

I thought Bermuda was a type of grass not a place !
I like the green tee idea it just needs to be represented on the card with its own SSS its a question of enjoyment for the 'shorter' senior player .

by super_realist Thu 04 Jul 2019, 8:13 am

dynamark wrote:I thought Bermuda was a type of grass not a place !
I like the green tee idea it just needs to be represented on the card with its own SSS its a question of enjoyment for the 'shorter' senior player .

I presume you are joking?

by dynamark Thu 04 Jul 2019, 3:33 pm

Super you are a gift that gives.
An old schoolfriend lived there for years and I regret never taking up his invites to visit.Cancer got him very early unfortunately.
Weather looks well set for Wimbledon and the next 3 weeks golf in these parts looking forward to it.

by super_realist Fri 05 Jul 2019, 8:00 am

dynamark wrote:Super you are a gift that gives.
An old schoolfriend lived there for years and I regret never taking up his invites to visit.Cancer got him very early unfortunately.
Weather looks well set for Wimbledon and the next 3 weeks golf in these parts looking forward to it.

You can never tell Dyna. I spent the first couple of years of my life in Bermuda. Can't remember a thing unfortunately. Will go back one day I hope.

by Roller_Coaster Fri 05 Jul 2019, 8:48 am

super_realist wrote:
dynamark wrote:Super you are a gift that gives.
An old schoolfriend lived there for years and I regret never taking up his invites to visit.Cancer got him very early unfortunately.
Weather looks well set for Wimbledon and the next 3 weeks golf in these parts looking forward to it.

You can never tell Dyna. I spent the first couple of years of my life in Bermuda. Can't remember a thing unfortunately. Will go back one day I hope.

Ahh, the proverbial snake in the grass!!!

A jape, dear readers. A mere jape.

by McLaren Fri 05 Jul 2019, 11:02 am

Super

No doubt raised by a black nanny. Explains a lot.

by super_realist Mon 08 Jul 2019, 8:06 am

McLaren wrote:Super

No doubt raised by a black nanny. Explains a lot.

??????? Why would I have a nanny?

by McLaren Mon 08 Jul 2019, 9:26 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Super

No doubt raised by a black nanny. Explains a lot.

??????? Why would I have a nanny?

I assume your parents were colonials?

by McLaren Mon 08 Jul 2019, 9:28 am

Essentially having black people work for you has sculpted your current views.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 08 Jul 2019, 11:07 am

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Super

No doubt raised by a black nanny. Explains a lot.

??????? Why would I have a nanny?

I assume your parents were colonials?

McLaren wrote:Essentially having black people work for you has sculpted your current views.

by super_realist Mon 08 Jul 2019, 5:51 pm

McLaren wrote:Essentially having black people work for you has sculpted your current views.

You really act like a complete arse at times Mac.

I repeatedly ask you for evidence of anything racist that I've ever said to back up your moronic accusations and you've never managed a single thing.

First of all, we didn't have any "staff" as you put it. Secondly I have already told you that I can't remember a single thing about being there, so how would it sculpt any views that YOU think I have (but can't provide any evidence for)?

by McLaren Wed 10 Jul 2019, 9:57 am

Out of curiosity how come you were initially raised in Bermuda?

by Roller_Coaster Wed 10 Jul 2019, 10:47 am

McLaren wrote:Out of curiosity how come you were initially raised in Bermuda?

Either...

Churchill deemed him of national importance and evacuated him out of harm's way or possibly he popped out in an NHS hospital, called the nurses obesity their own fault for being lazy greedy bas*tards, laughed at an American intern's name and shat on the feet of the hospital chaplain for having a lamentable belief system and had to be moved to the Caribbean to prevent reprisals.

It's only recently that Diggers confirmed his former chaplaincy in the NHS before teaching, so I suspect the latter as it would explain some of the apparent enmity Whistle

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