The Trump Presidency

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Pal Joey wrote:Just between us few on here... I have a feeling the Queen likes Trump.

Don't ask me to explain why but their body language seemed to be in a sort of comfortable harmony when they stood beside each other in June or whenever it was. And I think he quite likes all of that pomp and ceremony... as someone who likes being the centre of attention would.

He's a cross between a court jester and a village idiot so she would love him. Probably lets him run round the grounds with the corgis.

Yes... and also the fact that he has just a touch of olde worlde charm (probably brutally drummed into him from the NY Military Academy) despite his apparently frightening unpredictability in this day and age.

I stand corrected I always thought she was Florida for some reason..

California....So perhaps she may not get it...Which is good because I can't stand her..

California is as safe Dem as it gets..

Well done Pr4wn.

The usual Democratic machine stitch up regarding Tulsi Gabbard the Candidate that took down the chosen one in Harris..

To get into the next debate stage you needed 130,000 individual donations....Tulsi has those..

But now you need to be over 2% in "respectable polls as designated by the Dem grandees"....She is over 2% in 8 polls but hasn't qualified because they aren't acceptable polls to the Committee who refuse to release the Pollsters that are acceptable !!..

They never learn..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The usual Democratic machine stitch up regarding Tulsi Gabbard the Candidate that took down the chosen one in Harris..

To get into the next debate stage you needed 130,000 individual donations....Tulsi has those..

But now you need to be over 2% in "respectable polls as designated by the Dem grandees"....She is over 2% in 8 polls  but hasn't qualified because they aren't acceptable polls to the Committee who refuse to release the Pollsters that are acceptable !!..

They never learn..

Sad isn't it? An utter tw@t in The White House and an opposition who seem to enjoy shooting themselves in the foot. Bit like the U.K. really.

I don't understand it. Harris was never in with a shout anyway.

Tulsi Gabbard needs one more poll to get into the debates...

Though the DNC will probably change the rules again..

ABC poll has Trump's approval down 6 to 38% ...

Be surprised if he gets re-elected below the mid 40s..

Must be remembered Truman's shock re-election over Dewey is the lowest approval of a President to win again and he was on 45..

No corrupt Clinton this time and even she won the popular vote.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:ABC poll has Trump's approval down 6 to 38% ...

Be surprised if he gets re-elected below the mid 40s..

Must be remembered Truman's shock re-election over Dewey is the lowest approval of a President to win again and he was on 45..

No corrupt Clinton this time and even she won the popular vote.

I think (hope) Trump's goose is cooked for 2020. He may get his core support out, but as far as I can see, he's done none of what was promised for the so-called rust belt workers has he? At the same time, I suspect he's energised far more people who want him out to vote next time and many of the middle-ground floating voters might not find him so appealing. If his dumb tariffs cause pain as most expect, can't see that helping him much either. Here's hoping.
On the latter, was playing golf with a guy involved with GE in Europe the other week and he reported they're at a complete loss in understanding Trump's approach. They're having to make big financial decisions that are definitely not favouring the US as Trump claims.

Five thirty eight/IPsos..

Which Democrats would you consider voting for ??

Biden 57%
Warren 44%
Sanders 42%
Harris 27%
Buttigieg 21%.

Next debate soon and it looks like the Establishment choice Harris hasn't got her tormentor Gabbard there after the disgraceful shaft..

Maybe she can recover lost ground..

Biden has been woeful but it doesn't seem to hurt his numbers.

Biden seems to lose voters every time he opens his mouth.

Biden is so slow you can almost hear his brains moving...In the last three years he seems to have lost something....

Like usual whoever won pertains to the politics of the outfit watching.

TYT....Warren and Sanders..

The Hill...Biden and Beto..

The main focus was on Medicare for all...With bought and paid for types like Biden and Harris saying it will bankrupt Anerica..

But it's time for a system that doesn't bankrupt good Families in the event of a loved one falling sick...

Time some of the stragglers dropped out too..

Too many in the race to have a good debate.

Definitely too many still, allegedly, in the running.

Pr4wn wrote:Biden seems to lose voters every time he opens his mouth.

I think Trump would love to run against Biden. He'd effectively be swapping one establishment opponent for another.

Good news for Trump....Battlegrounds are a lot closer than National vote share...

Michigan

Biden.......42 Trump 41
Trump.....43  Sanders 40
Trump.....42 Warren 41

Pennsylvania

Biden......45 Trump 41
Sanders..44 Trump 42
Warren....43 Trump 41

Wisconsin

Sanders..49 Trump 42
Biden.......44 Trump 42
Warren.....43 Trump 42

If we give Trump Florida and chuck in Michigan...He gets close to 271....

Wisconsin....Pennsylvania....Ohio....He needs 1/3..

Ohio will be a problem but the other 2 are in play.

Latest Dem polls in the early States before Super Tuesday......Show it's very much game on.....South Carolina excepted..

Iowa - Biden 29......Sanders 26...Warren 17...Buttigieg 7

New Hampshire - Biden 22....Sanders 20....Warren 19....Buttigieg 8

Nevada - Biden 26.....Warren 19...Sanders 16...Harris 10....Buttigieg 6

S Carolina - Biden 35...Harris 14...Sanders 14....Warren 10...Buttigieg 5

Better news for Dems in latest matchup poll..

Biden......52 Trump 38
Sanders.48 Trump 40
Warren...46 Trump 40
Harris... .42 Trump 40

Harris v Trump is the only toss up there..

Not a great candidate....Typically the Establishment Democrats like her...The No change candidate..

All about the mo.....Iowa in a couple of months and when Candidates drop out the dynamics change with preferences..

Finally a formal impeachment inquiry has been filed. Its unlikely to pass the Senate, but the Republicans have a pretty stark choice in front of them. Either uphold the rule of law and the constitution or continue to support a President who conspires with foreign governments to get involved in domestic electoral candidates.

Should really be an easy choice. For anyone with morals anyway.

If anyone wants a laugh, watch Rudy Giuliani's latest interview with Chris Cuomo on CNN. The bloke is completely deranged. Makes Trump look stable.

Pr4wn wrote:If anyone wants a laugh, watch Rudy Giuliani's latest interview with Chris Cuomo on CNN. The bloke is completely deranged. Makes Trump look stable.

That's the point; he's running distraction.

I'm not sure either of them are that smart.

Pr4wn wrote:I'm not sure either of them are that smart.

On Trump I might agree. Giuliani, I'm not so sure.

We have it bad here at the moment, but at least we don't have US politics. Trump in the White House, GOP debasing their history, Pelosi not wanting to impeach and a Senate that wouldn't support it even if it was clear, Supreme Court utterly dysfunctional etc etc.

The US system does seem pretty mangled right now. The President has all but admitted using US taxpayer money as a bargaining chip in order to extort a foreign government into investigating the family of a political rival.

But the GOP insist it's a witch-hunt.

I assume the Republicans will be hoping that neither the tape nor the transcript gets released. It's hard to believe that the evidence would absolve him given the fact that both he and his TV lawyer have admitted to the allegation.

For Republicans, it would be tough to justify not voting I favor of removing Donald if there is real, tangible evidence of the allegation. But also, politically, going forward with Mike Pence as president and 2020 candidate, even if only for a year, may well be suicide. He lacks the charisma(?) That Donald has, and even then Donald got pumped by 3 million votes in the national elections, and Republicans got pumped by 10 million nationwide in the 2018 mid-terms, the momentum is definitely with the Democrats, especially considering they basically demolished the Republicans in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Three states which Trump squeaked in 2016.

On a seperate note it's wild that you can ask Russia on live TV to help you find a candidate's emails and that's okay, but threatening a president over the phone is a step too far.

I thought Trump has already authorised for the unredacted transcript of him call to be released later today?

Aah I see he has. He flat out refused a day or two ago ago, and I clearly haven't been following the story closely. Looking into it a bit I see it's Mike Pompeo who didn't want it released. My bad.

Says the transcript won't be verbatim as well. What on earth is the point of it then?

kingraf wrote:Aah I see he has. He flat out refused a day or two ago ago, and I clearly haven't been following the story closely. Looking into it a bit I see it's Mike Pompeo who didn't want it released. My bad.

Says the transcript won't be verbatim as well. What on earth is the point of it then?

Doesnt matter if its verbatim or not, the MAGA Muppets will still use it as an argument for him. The transcript released could be "I never did anything bad, honest" and they would lap it up.

The transcripts going to be doctored, to include everything he said with "Not" written afterwards

Democrats don't really want Trump impeached... Just want to damage him going into WH2020...

Last thing they need is Mike Pence on a honeymoon period with a half decent Economy when Trump is infinitely more beatable...

Impeachment poll...

Should Trump be impeached ???

Yes 37
No..57

Similar figures to the first poll taken after Nixon found himself in a similar position..

Probably not much comfort for him then..

Not a great look for the Don here. He's pretty much been caught dead to rights. If he survives this (a possibility I simply can't ignore), I'm not sure the United States' system of governance will ever be the same again. Trump has already normalized a revolving door of not particularly qualified people working in places they absolutely should not be working in. He's normalized what was initially a hostile relationship with the press and then one where he went months without briefings. If he can ride this out, it is truly concerning what a more capable mind will be capable of doing in that seat.

I suspect in this case Trump doesn't think he has done anything wrong, because he has been doing similar in his business dealings for years - a bit of carrot and stick negotiations to get what is good for him.

The problem is that the President of the USA, and Commander in Chief of their armed forces, has to be held to a higher standard of ethical behaviour and (for want of a better term) Patriotism than an international business man. In other words, Donald Trump may be allowed to do these things on a personal level, but The President of the United States (whoever that may be) is limited by the Constitution as to what is and is not acceptable with regard to liaising with foreign governments.

Kingraf makes good points about the 'not particularly qualified' (I'd add 'or suitable' to that)people appointed to various roles within the White House, and how the absurd has been normalised. We seem to have moved beyond the situation where 'everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but is not entitled to their own facts.'

Isn't there some stupid number of people in the White House who have not passed security clearance but have instead had a 'presidential waiver'?

First State to pick in the Primaries...Iowa has two polls out..

Warren 22
Biden 20
Sanders 11

Biden 29
Sanders 26
Warren 17

Very important Iowa....Provides some clarity with independents that don't want to 'waste' their vote..

Obama won it in 2008 unexpectedly....Bernie pushed Clinton close in 2016 showing he was in the game..

Not old Joe, that’s not gonna get them the momentum they need

If you havent seen his meltdown during a press conference with the Finnish President its essential viewing. He’s really being rattled by this Ukraine leak. The panic seems to be setting in. Tick tock Donny.

You'd hope the system is robust enough that there is only so long someone can plead ignorance and "fake news" to get around repeated allegations of different things.

Let's hope that his arrogance in his position ends up being his downfall.

In fairness to Trump....The networks haven't helped themselves....Publishing stories about prostitutes soiling beds with him...Headlining with unverifiable gossip etc

Once you are caught misrepresenting and puking up falsehoods. .Any sensible opponent will chuck fake news at you regardless of what you say in the future..

Trump is deplorable...Claudius is deplorable but the press has never been worse.

Samo wrote:If you havent seen his meltdown during a press conference with the Finnish President its essential viewing. He’s really being rattled by this Ukraine leak. The panic seems to be setting in. Tick tock Donny.

It was something else, wasn't it? It reminded me of the press conference he gave after the mid-terms, when he reacted furiously when anyone wanted to ask about the house as opposed to the senate.

Today he asked China to investigate Joe Biden.

All you have to ask yourself is whether he'd be doing any of this if Joe Biden wasn't in the running to be his opponent in 2020.

As much as I dislike Trump....Biden's Son's private equity firm has questions to answer and I want it investigated..

Smells of sleaze..

The Clinton faction of Democrats are as corrupt as it gets..

I see you're responding to the dog whistle, Truss.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:As much as I dislike Trump....Biden's Son's private equity firm has questions to answer and I want it investigated..

Smells of sleaze..

The Clinton faction of Democrats are as corrupt as it gets..

May be a separate issue, but not really relevant to what Trump's doing/done here.

Pr4wn wrote:I see you're responding to the dog whistle, Truss.

Just look at these things with more objectivity..

Biden got the Ukrainian Prosecutor investigating his Son removed soon after a billion dollar investment in to the Ukraine..

Stinks.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:I see you're responding to the dog whistle, Truss.

Just look at these things with more objectivity..

Biden got the Ukrainian Prosecutor investigating his Son removed soon after a billion dollar investment in to the Ukraine..

Stinks.

Biden (and the US for that matter) weren't the only ones asking for that guy's removal were they? Anyway, it's an aside from the charges against Trump - Biden could be as bent as a nine bob note and Trump would still have committed an almost certain impeachable offence in asking for foreign powers to investigate a direct political rival.

Not suggesting Trump is innocent...But a billion in aid and then the Prosecutor sacked short time later looks more than a little dodgy..

Worth remembering Ukraine were the biggest donors to the Clinton Foundation...

Sick to death of entitled Democratic elitists who serve no one the GOP doesn't...Running a Party when change is needed..

I'd vote for Biden over Trump but I would still be scraping the barrel.

You won't have to, Biden is toast now.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not suggesting Trump is innocent...But a billion in aid and then the Prosecutor sacked short time later looks more than a little dodgy..

Worth remembering Ukraine were the biggest donors to the Clinton Foundation...

Sick to death of entitled Democratic elitists who serve no one the GOP doesn't...Running a Party when change is needed..

I'd vote for Biden over Trump but I would still be scraping the barrel.

An American believing in a conspiracy theory? Who knew...

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not suggesting Trump is innocent...But a billion in aid and then the Prosecutor sacked short time later looks more than a little dodgy..

Worth remembering Ukraine were the biggest donors to the Clinton Foundation...

Sick to death of entitled Democratic elitists who serve no one the GOP doesn't...Running a Party when change is needed..

I'd vote for Biden over Trump but I would still be scraping the barrel.

An American believing in a conspiracy theory? Who knew...

On the other hand I could be an ill informed...Naive....One line hit and run merchant..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not suggesting Trump is innocent...But a billion in aid and then the Prosecutor sacked short time later looks more than a little dodgy..

Worth remembering Ukraine were the biggest donors to the Clinton Foundation...

Sick to death of entitled Democratic elitists who serve no one the GOP doesn't...Running a Party when change is needed..

I'd vote for Biden over Trump but I would still be scraping the barrel.

An American believing in a conspiracy theory? Who knew...

On the other hand I could be an ill informed...Naive....One line hit and run merchant..

You are ill-informed. Just like the rest of us .

Why don't you wait to see what comes out re. Biden?

Either way, Biden and his son's business dealings are completely irrelevant to what Trump appears to have been up to.

You admit to being ill-informed and then accuse others of believing in conspiracies...Interesting concept for sure...

Never said Trump should get a free pass..

Just have the ability to be a little objective and to multi-task....Don't knock it until you have tried it..