RWC final 19 - England v SA Match Thread - 02-11-2019 - Kick Off 09:00am

[Guest]

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The big one. The Rugby World Cup Final.

ENGLAND

Elliot Daly; Anthony Watson, Manu Tuilagi, Owen Farrell, Jonny May, George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, Courtney Lawes, Tom Curry, Sam Underhill, Billy Vunipola

Replacements: Luke Cowan-Dickie, Joe Marler, Dan Cole, George Kruis, Mark Wilson, Ben Spencer, Henry Slade, Jonathan Joseph

SOUTH AFRICA

Le Roux; Kolbe, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Mtawarira, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, De Jager, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Marx, Kitschoff, Koch, Snyman, Mostert, Louw, H Jantjies, Steyn

Venue: International Stadium, Yokohama
Referee: Jerome Garces
AR1: Romain Poite
AR2: Ben O'Keefe
TMO: Ben Skeen

Head to Head

42 Played 42
15 Won 25
25 Lost 15
2 Drawn 2

Recent Form

16 June 2012
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
36 – 27 to South Africa

23 June 2012
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium,
Port Elizabeth
14 – 14 draw

24 November 2012
Twickenham, London
15 – 16 to South Africa

15 November 2014
Twickenham, London
28 – 31 to South Africa

12 November 2016
Twickenham, London
37 – 21 to England

9 June 2018
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
42 – 39 to South Africa

16 June 2018
Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
23 – 12 to South Africa

23 June 2018
Newlands, Cape Town
10 – 25 to England

3 November 2018
Twickenham, London
12 – 11 to England

[Soul Requiem]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

So damn true.

[Afro]

he has 10cm on me

Girth or length?

[mikey_dragon]

In everyone else's defence it's such a non issue and is obsession over it makes trolling him far more important than whether hes right or not. In fact that he probably is correct just makes it all the funnier.

Trolling only works when it riles someone up tbf. While I haven't been trolling, the ones to 'bite' have clearly been everyone but me. Weird you'd call it an obsession, but good to know you perceive yourself as a bridge dweller.

So damn true.

+1. "I'm not wound up. I just naturally feel the need to spam the forum, keep trying to get the last word in, make s/it jokes that only I find funny."

[Guest]

So damn t-

[Guest]

+1. "I'm not wound up. I just naturally feel the need to spam the forum, keep trying to get the last word in, make s/it jokes that only I find funny."

Why on earth would I be wound up?

It's sad no one wants to discuss rugby, particularly in WC final week, but so be it.

Wound up? Is this one of the 4 emotional responses you understand along with crying, angry, and dangerously horny?

[mikey_dragon]

More sh/t bants from the menopausal cat.

[No 7&1/2]

Yes let's return to rugby talk. Who is taller out of Pollard and farrell. Do you think they're putting on weight.

[Guest]

More sh/t bants from the menopausal cat.

Na you've just been done.

And I'm not surprised you misidentify puss, menopausal or not...

[mikey_dragon]

I've been done? And to think you accuse other people of taking themselves too seriously...

Nobody wants to discuss rugby with you, cat, because if it's not to your liking/agreeing with everything you say then we have to put up with on-going performances. This forum isn't yours. Quite frankly you're boring and unfunny so for those reasons you can have the last word in before bedtime

[king_carlos]

Back to the game in hand...

If the match goes deep then South Africa's depth at hooker will help them massively in the set-piece battle.

Cowan-Dickie is excellent at the breakdown, strong carrying and solid in the scrum but his line-out work isn't comparable to the other 3 hookers on show.

Marx is an brilliant player to bring off the bench and if the game is tight going deep then England will have a big decision to make on how long Jamie George stays on the field.

I can't wait for the line-out battle. Both sides are so strong there, both Lawes and Lood de Jager are in great form running the respective line-outs. It's hard to separate those two as primary jumpers, I'd say Itoje is the strong second jumper and du Toit the strong third option.

[No 7&1/2]

Think it was itoje running the lineout last weekend.

[Guest]

I've been done?

Yes

[Rugby Fan]

Look out, it's the relevance police!

[Guest]

Neenaww, neenaww.

You're nicked, RF.

[LondonTiger]

England are the complete team, I cannot see them losing

[Guest]

Hard to argue with that. Ireland in the 6Ns and NZ last week were complete rugby performances.

[stub]

Good old Sam!

(Let’s hope he doesn’t jinx us.)

[No 7&1/2]

He was supporting us back in 03 dressed in his england kit and it did us no harm.

[Gooseberry]

It's not that long ago Warburton gave an interview where he backed up Gatlands claim than England are "bombers" and that Wales had a realistic chance of winning the world cup.

South Africa by 20.

[Galted]

There must be a lot of useless trivia surrounding the final. I've seen the following:

Apparently, South Africa have never scored a try in a World Cup Final. They have also never lost a final (2 appearances). If South Africa win, they'll be the first team to do so while dropping a match along the way.

Haven’t scored or conceded a try which makes it 48 tryless points across the two finals.

[Rugby Fan]

[Gooseberry]

They don't really have any players as great as Matt Damon any more

[stub]

Damon was one hell of a player!!

[lostinwales]

Thanks for posting this, although I have to say I gave up after the first few minutes.

[Poorfour]

Thanks for posting this, although I have to say I gave up after the first few minutes.

I just ran it in the background at work. It's a good listen, and quite touching how invested the whole of South Africa is in their players.

[lostinwales]

Thanks for posting this, although I have to say I gave up after the first few minutes.

I just ran it in the background at work. It's a good listen, and quite touching how invested the whole of South Africa is in their players.

Yes. I will qualify what I said in that is wonderful and quite humbling to find out how humble Kolisi's background was and how far he's come. But I still want him to lose on Saturday.

[Poorfour]

It's not quite as extreme, but England have their own up from the streets story in Sinckler - single parent family, inner city comprehensive, unfavoured club, had to start his own school team. And regularly goes back and inspires other inner city kids to play. (One RFU coach educator told me that they went to a school to present, all in RFU uniform and could feel the hostility until Kyle rocked up in his puffer jacket and backwards baseball cap and started with "I'd be in prison now if I hadn't found rugby...")

[Soul Requiem]

....earned a sports scholarship at a private school.

[Geen sport voor watjes]

The welsh English dynamic is always interesting. Just to note like the vast majority of Irish people it will be slightly annoying if ingerland win on sat but if they play like they did in the semi and win then who could deny them. It’s almost like a complete reversal of the 2007 final when SA were overwhelming favourites.

It’s a completely fascinating match up

[Rugby Fan]

Habana noted that the Lions have toured South Africa twice in the professional era. On both occasions, South Africa were World Cup holders. The Lions will tour there again in 2021...

[Taylorman]

Habana noted that the Lions have toured South Africa twice in the professional era. On both occasions, South Africa were World Cup holders. The Lions will tour there again in 2021...

Ha ha true. England Being faves for this will be in SA’s favour in a way.

[Rugby Fan]

Some of the coverage in Ireland has conceded England may find it difficult to hit the heights of last week again but also that it may not be necessary if South Africa don't show so much in attack.

While the Springbok pack is a monstrous thing, most English fears appear to focus on the chance that Willie le Roux will click tomorrow, and finally spark that back line

[No 7&1/2]

That's fantastic news miaow. 2 sleeps until Christmas.

[No 7&1/2]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/01/eddie-jones-england-defy-stereotypes-rugby-world-cup-andy-bull

Nice article from the guardian highlighting the changing nature on stereotypical class types in London. Could well go into the brexit section!

[Gooseberry]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/01/eddie-jones-england-defy-stereotypes-rugby-world-cup-andy-bull

Nice article from the guardian highlighting the changing nature on stereotypical class types in London. Could well go into the brexit section!

Oh typical liberal urban elite london bubble nonsense. What would the 10 million residents their know about the lives of the real English who grew up in rural areas like Manu Tuillagi.

[Galted]

Habana noted that the Lions have toured South Africa twice in the professional era. On both occasions, South Africa were World Cup holders. The Lions will tour there again in 2021...

That's due to the Lions tours working in 12 year cycles and so too, apparently, SA's world cup winning years.
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but the pattern is SA win the world cup, next time round get knocked out by Australia, next time round get knocked out by NZ.  So far it's happened in 95-03, then again for 07-15.  2019 is the start of the third such cycle.
It's a bit like the omens building up for a Pakistan win in the Cricket World Cup and then they go and ruin it all by not making the semis.

[Gooseberry]

What was Dowlais' business by the way? Training welsh tacklers?

[Scottrf]

Guys, you can't complain about him taking over the forum then write 15 replies about his post. Lets leave it?

[mikey_dragon]

Guys, you can't complain about him taking over the forum then write 15 replies about his post. Lets leave it?

So 15 replies works out as 1 reply per 20 of his posts right. How much is that in cm?

[LondonTiger]

Gents. There have been some completely garbage posts over night. Please move on now and back to discussing the game rather than posters and their styles, insulting people, accusing posters of being insulting etc

[Gooseberry]

Gents. There have been some completely garbage posts over night. Please move on now and back to discussing the game rather than posters and their styles, insulting people, accusing posters of being insulting etc

Blame Wales for not giving something worth watching!

[mikey_dragon]

Gents. There have been some completely garbage posts over night. Please move on now and back to discussing the game rather than posters and their styles, insulting people, accusing posters of being insulting etc

I have been questioning why there was no intervention sooner when the culprit was so obvious , but like you've suggested, back to the game.

SA by 50.

[Gooseberry]

Gents. There have been some completely garbage posts over night. Please move on now and back to discussing the game rather than posters and their styles, insulting people, accusing posters of being insulting etc

I have been questioning why there was no intervention sooner when the culprit was so obvious , but like you've suggested, back to the game.

SA by 50.

they already played Wales

[mikey_dragon]

Gents. There have been some completely garbage posts over night. Please move on now and back to discussing the game rather than posters and their styles, insulting people, accusing posters of being insulting etc

I have been questioning why there was no intervention sooner when the culprit was so obvious , but like you've suggested, back to the game.

SA by 50.

they already played Wales

And did I imagine something, we lost by 50?

Anyway I've changed my prediction. England by 9.

[Gooseberry]

Feels like a long weight now. I'm high on anticipation for the biggest match of all between two giants of the game.

[LondonTiger]

Feels like a long weight now. I'm high on anticipation for the biggest match of all between two giants of the game.

Is that the "long weight" you were sent to B&Q to buy?

Or are we back to size and girth conversations?

[SecretFly]

Feels like a long weight now. I'm high on anticipation for the biggest match of all between two giants of the game.

Is that the "long weight" you were sent to B&Q to buy?

Or are we back to size and girth conversations?

It's a technical term for the specialist weight category by which SA players are assessed by their coaches.  They got a head start on England there.  Back to disputed online weight charts for further debate

[Rugby Fan]

Eddie Jones spent today coaching a local high school side. The report is in Japanese but you can see the photos:

https://www.sankei.com/photo/story/news/191101/sty1911010010-n1.html

English report here:

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20191101/p2g/00m/0sp/092000c

[Gooseberry]

Feels like a long weight now. I'm high on anticipation for the biggest match of all between two giants of the game.

Is that the "long weight" you were sent to B&Q to buy?

Or are we back to size and girth conversations?

It's a technical term for the specialist weight category by which SA players are assessed by their coaches.  They got a head start on England there.  Back to disputed online weight charts for further debate

Tartan paint is a lot cheaper since the group stages.

[lostinwales]

Well a long ton is a thing

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