Does Haye intend to Avoid Vitali Klitschko?

I have seen that David Haye has recently again reiterated his intention to retire in October regardless of the result of his fight with Wladimir.

If his intentions are true then this would most likely make a fight with Vitali Klitschko (who is scheduled to fight in September against Adamek) highly unlikely. I think this would be very unsatisfactory.

My question is do people think that Haye ever intended/intends to fight Vitali?

I have never fully seen the logic of Hayes rigid retirement date. I have always thought that fighters should view their retirement in terms of fights rather than dates and I cant really understand why Haye would jeopardise fully unifying the titles in order to retire on such a specific date? If the Vitali fight could be made in December then is really so much of a stretch for Haye to continue until then?

Personally I have always believed that Vitali is the more formidable of the two brothers and I have long felt that Hayes specific targetting of Wlad out of the two brothers is more than coincidental. I think Haye feels very strongly that Wlad is the more beatable of the two and offers him greater chance of success. As much as Haye appears to have faith in his power, anyone who has followed Vitalis career (especially the fights with Lewis or Sanders) will know that his chin would be enough to cause even the hardest hitting heavyweights to doubt their power.

Initially I thought that Haye fighting Wlad first made more sense as I think he has a better chance against him. But I always assumed that if he won then a winner takes all fight with Vitali for the undisputed title would naturally follow. But Hayes continued insistance on his retirement date has now raised some doubts with me if he really intends on fighting Vitali after. With Hayes intention to retire in October and Vitali scheduled to face Adamek in September then something will have to give if we are to see the fight for the undisputed championship come off.

What are peoples thoughts?

I haven't answered the question because I am baffled too by his retirement date and why there is an emphasis on the date and not I have beaten all the competition out there as compared to a Calazaghe or Lewis. You would think that Dave at his peak would fancy a crack at an 'older' Vitali.

I hope that Haye does go and take out both he has stated he wants both many times, and has talked about Vitali being the biggest prize because of the WBC, but we shall see... I think he will take both if he can, but it wouldn't shock me if he never returns to the ring after Wladimir.

Is hard to interpret it any other way than he does not fancy it much. As you rightly say Vitali is tied up with Adamek in September so if this goes ahead it is an impossibility to fit in Haye before October. Does seem odd though, if he beats Wlad he will have the opportunity to hold all four belts in a fight that with the revenge angle and historical significance will generate absolutely millions. Also as Haye will be coming in with three belts he would be in a terrific position to play hard ball over location etc. Can't imagine why a fighter would not want to fight in front of 90,000 at Wembley with all four belts on the line and millions in purse up for grabs.

However saying all that I don't think he'll beat Wlad so that renders everything fairly academic IMO.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

If he does go ahead and retire without fighting Vitali (assuming he beat Wlad) then I would say he just didnt fancy the fight at all.

Couldnt agree more on the retirement issue. What does having such an inflexible date acheive? Initially I thought it might have just been a stunt to get some leverage over the brothers at the negotiating table but if ends ups scuppering an undisputed championship fight then it would be seriously suspect.

If Haye beat Wlad he would have so much leverage over Vitali that to turn away from the fight would be baffling. Vitali wold be so desperate to avenge his brothers loss and become the single champion that he would probably take the fight for free! Haye could earn a fortune and become the undisputed heavyweight champion! One could only assume if he turned his back on that the only reason could be he just didnt think he could beat Vitali.

Im never much inclined to believe what Haye says though so I am pretty much in the "wait and see" camp.

I've said it before and I'm going to stick with it, Vitali is the easier boxer of the two. Do I think that haye doesn't want to fight him? yes. He has never expressed his desire to fight vitali, maybe he feels that if he cant knock him out them he will probably lose due to a controversial decision.

Looking at Vitalis last fight, he is very very beatable. Haye would merely have to do a valuev tactic. Vitali is 39 and is showing it, he couldn't catch a fat solis cleanly (the punch that put him down didn't have any effect imo), and haye is alot quicker than vitali. Although he has the best chin in boxing atm, as we saw with Mosley, once your reflexes go, when you get caught it hurts more than usual. To beat wlad haye just needs to land one big shot, but wlad has a quick jab which is more dangerous than any shots vitali has. Vitali is tailor made for haye imo, but is wary of his power

Vitali is more boxable, but this doesnt neccessarily equate to being more beatable in my view.

Haye would probably find him much easier to hit but thats just one element of it.

What happens if the shots dont put him down and Vitali is able to walk through Haye? I cant see someone with Hayes flaky durability being able to survive Vitalis pressure over 12 rounds. If his power is not enough to make Vitali think twice about walking him down then I think Hayes chances diminish rapidly.

I voted yes.

Evidence#1 - Already pulled out of 1 fight with him

Evidence#2 - Earlier this year when both Vitali and Haye were free, and Vitali was calling out Haye, Haye went AWOL and made zero attempt to set the fight up

Some good points. Interesting to see that many feel he may well be intending to avoid Vitali.

Although beating Wladimir would be a fine win, I would still see it as mission incomplete if he didnt face Vitali.

What I find confusing is the message Haye is sending out isnt really clear on facing Vitali after. He seems to be more concerned with making his retirement date than of cleaning up all four titles and Im not sure why his intentions to retire are so rigid unless there is some kind of angle he is trying to use it for.

He clearly doesn't fancy vitali anywhere near as much as wlad, which is evident from his fierce pursual of wlad and indifference toward vitali. Like most he knows wlad is the better boxer but less durable than his brother, and as a cruiserweight coming up he must feel his chances of outfighting a guy like vitali are much smaller than his chances of unloading a few fight ending shots on the more fragile wlad.

If haye does beat wlad it will put him in the position of top man at hw, able to dictate financial terms and location to vitali. A fight in the uk with an old vitali may tempt haye enough to hang around a couple of months longer than october, but only time will tell.

Haye has not exactly made a secret of his retirement date. I hold both sets of parties equally responsible for the fight not happening.

I think Haye has a better chance vs. Vitali than Wlad.

I'm sick to death of having to defend David Haye on a British site.....He didn't have to face Vlad..could've made 5/10 million fighting stiffs..

Nothing is ever enough for you guys!!!

Vlad is no 1 at heavy and if he retires after beating the robotic stiff then good luck to him...

Doesn't owe you guys anything..

However you owe him a great deal for putting your little Island on the map and representing your flag with distinction..

Leave it out..the way some on here lick the Klits butts...makes me squirm.

Should be ashamed of yourselves..

He's yours..get behind him.

However you owe him a great deal for putting your little Island on the map
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Likewise I would also like to thank Haye for putting the birthplace of Shakespeare, Sir John Geilgud, Winston Churchill, Richard Burton, Charles Dickens, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones on the map.

Very good.....Be proud of yourself.

rowley wrote:However you owe him a great deal for putting your little Island on the map
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Likewise I would also like to thank Haye for putting the birthplace of Shakespeare, Sir John Geilgud, Winston Churchill, Richard Burton, Charles Dickens, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones on the map.

You forgot Bruce Forsythe and Fred West.

OP is probably another numpti who claimed he'd never fight Wlad. Hope he's choking on words

Sir Bruce Forsyth SBS, do you not read the news.

Just keep pulling for Vlad to win sweetie....

Some of us are proud of our Country..........

Those who aren't are just pathetic creatures with no worth...

you seem to be of the latter variety.......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm sick to death of having to defend David Haye on a British site.....He didn't have to face Vlad..could've made 5/10 million fighting stiffs..

Nothing is ever enough for you guys!!!

Vlad is no 1 at heavy and if he retires after beating the robotic stiff then good luck to him...

Doesn't owe you guys anything..

However you owe him a great deal for putting your little Island on the map and representing your flag with distinction..

Leave it out..the way some on here lick the Klits butts...makes me squirm.

Should be ashamed of yourselves..

He's yours..get behind him.

If Haye loses against Wlad then a good case can be made for him being one of the worst heavyweight belt holders in history.

After all his talk over the last 3 years, if that turns out to be the case then I think the Brits have every right to be annoyed at him for taking them on this snoozefest heavyweight right!

Go to bed junky............

Berbick, schultz, Carnera, Willard, Botha......Smith.......

Not the worst Truss, but top 10 worst if he loses to Wlad.

Valuev, Barrett, Ruiz, Harrison - doesn't get much worse than that.

Incidently, Valuev is the youngest heavyweight that Haye has faced to date, aged 37

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Just keep pulling for Vlad to win sweetie....

Some of us are proud of our Country..........

Those who aren't are just pathetic creatures with no worth...

you seem to be of the latter variety.......

Truss, there's a difference between backing your fellow countryman and denying things you see with your own eyes just to big him up - the latter is D4 behaviour.

I'm desperate for haye to spark wlad, I'll be a nervous wreck for him come fight night. That doesn't alter the fact I think he's always preferred a fight with wlad over vitali due to wlads perceived fragility. If I said otherwise I'd be a liar and I'm sure you'd have an insult or two to throw about that too. Who are you to question my patriotism as if the yanks have a monopoly on it.

Seems that headbutt you suffered the other night didn't knock any class into you.

Not top 10 worst.....

Ruiz, Botha, schultz, Peter, Chagaev, Smith, Berbick, Carnera, willard, Valuev..

are 10 off the top of my head..

We were all brought up to respect your Country and have a sense of belonging....

Just completely crazy for me to want a guy from another Country to win....Ukraine and German countryman want Haye to win??? I seriously doubt it...

Without a sense of belonging you're nothing in this World..

As for Rowley he needn't respond I'll just wait for Windy to have an opinion on something and I'll have Rowley's too!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm sick to death of having to defend David Haye on a British site.....He didn't have to face Vlad..could've made 5/10 million fighting stiffs..

Nothing is ever enough for you guys!!!

Vlad is no 1 at heavy and if he retires after beating the robotic stiff then good luck to him...

Doesn't owe you guys anything..

However you owe him a great deal for putting your little Island on the map and representing your flag with distinction..

Leave it out..the way some on here lick the Klits butts...makes me squirm.

Should be ashamed of yourselves..

He's yours..get behind him.

First of all, we arent slating haye, we are asking each other why isn't he concerned with fighting vitali when vitali clearly wants the fight.

Secondly he does owe us somewhat. He has gobbed off about this and that, about being the best ever, and since then he has delivered nothing. He is a shambles of a champion ATM and is a paper champ to many. We had to pay for farcical fight like Harrison.

Thridly what a stupid comment about putting us on the map. He has done nothing to improve our image. He hasn't even done much for British boxing except for our relationship with germany. He isn't a great draw in America either, froch and Amir fly the flag for britain in America.

Lastly, what's this about loving the klit brothers. They are recognized #1 and #2 at heavyweight, have ruled it for years, have beaten everyone in front of them, have been insulted constantly by haye and come across as nice guys. They are model professionals and deserve to be favourites goin into the haye fight.

Aren't slating Haye.....

The article is suggesting he's avoiding Vitali when he stated he was retiring last year!!!

Are you naive or something....Look up the word... avoiding!!!!

Reiteration... he didn't need to fight Vlad...could have retired with a legacy and filthy rich.anyway.

But no..handsome, wealthy, outspoken, talented British guy..So you naturally hate him!!

Botha & Schulz were never champs

It's highly debatable whether Haye's record is better than Ruiz's, Chagaev's, Peter's & Valuev's.

Now now ladies...Have voted that he is not avoiding Vitali. Haye's mindgames are pathetic and I am one of the many people who have not warmed to him over the last year.
I went a bit o.t.t. talking about DH's ambition the other week; however I do genuinely think that he has such self-belief that he thinks he can beat everyone.
Vitali ? Well, no I don't think Haye can beat him.But the age factor is not a small one, seems Vit has slowed down quite a lot these last few years, if Haye doesn't fancy a crack at a 40 year old guy in 2012 ,and someone mundane ends up winning the WBC....hard to foresee now, but it'll happen..he'll regret it.
I'm surprised that anybody is sure about the outcome of the July fight! Anyway, of course he's gonna try and unify all the belts, should he win. Can't see him turning down that kind of attention.

Well said....but I wouldn't insult the others by calling them ladies.

You seem to be itching for an argument tonight Truss, would appear your little altercation the other night has got your blood up. However is it really so far out of left field for people to question if Haye is keen on a fight with Vitali. Think it would be preposterous for anyone to suggest in the last couple of years his focus has been as intense on Vitali as it has on Wlad. Perfectly understandable as potentially he is more beatable and he is the accepted number one.

However when this has resulted in him on the whole ignoring overtures from the older brother and no setting himself a retirement date that for all intents and purposes make the fight completely unviable seems a reasonable question to ask how keen he is on taking the fight. If you want to consider that unpatriotic so be it. However it seems an odd form of patriotism where you have to be blind to a persons weaknesses and character faults solely because he was born in the same country as you. I would dearly love Haye to win this fight, however that has not stopped me finding some of his actions in promoting the fight graceless and a little boorish to say the least.

No-one has mentioned the word hate.

Trussman please can you not be so aggressive when posting. This is an opinion forum.

Please respect the views and opinions of others.

Thanks

I thought my little pop would wake you up Rowley...

Hey TRUSS, whilst you are here, head over to your "Don't Trust the Klits" thread, I'm waiting for your response there!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I thought my little pop would wake you up Rowley...

Lucky I have been on forums with you so long now Truss, a more sensitve soul could take offence

AlexHuckerby wrote:I hope that Haye does go and take out both he has stated he wants both many times, and has talked about Vitali being the biggest prize because of the WBC, but we shall see... I think he will take both if he can, but it wouldn't shock me if he never returns to the ring after Wladimir.

Hardly the best anymore, it's creation of further devaluation in the form of the Silver and Diamond versions etc puts it almost down there with the WBA and WBO. For me the IBF has taken the crown of most respectable title, unless I'm missing something and that also has alternative joke versions too.

I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that should Haye beat Wlad, he'll put off his retirement long enough to fight the winner of Vitali-Adamek. I wonder what the average age is for fighters to begin showing signs of fatigue and loss of speed. My wild guess is that between 33 and 35 is the safest time to hang them up, unless you're Hopkins of course.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Aren't slating Haye.....

The article is suggesting he's avoiding Vitali when he stated he was retiring last year!!!

Are you naive or something....Look up the word... avoiding!!!!

Reiteration... he didn't need to fight Vlad...could have retired with a legacy and filthy rich.anyway.

But no..handsome, wealthy, outspoken, talented British guy..So you naturally hate him!!

He has obviously refrained from a potential vitali fight. He has never said anything about him and never has. This thread is not about Wladimir. It's about vitali, stay on topic. It's a normal thread, people agree and disagree and the 50% voting suggests so. Everyone in England wants haye to win, don't be stupid. True, we don't think think much about his attitude, he has disrespected wlad as much as possible for years now, but come fight night everyone will be cheerig him on. I don't like him, is that a crime, he is a cocky p***k, but I support him, like I do every british fighter.

It's not like we are the only country doing it. Mayweather, handsome, wealthy, outspoken, super talented but he ain't liked much. But once again come fight night he is supported and has a huge fanbase.

I'm not on topic????? are you soft or something..

This whole thread has everything to do with Vlad-Haye.....Vlad is the number 1 heavy and he's fighting him so why avoid the old slug??

Now run along and patronise a 10 year old or something...you'd have better success there.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We were all brought up to respect your Country and have a sense of belonging....
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That's called brainwashing Truss.

Nothing wrong with patriotism but my sense of belonging is to me and my family, not borders of land or a self serving government.

We all want haye to win, but your ridiculous, flag waving, sanctimonious "thou must ignore blind truths in support of your country or you're a pathetic creature" mantra is nauseating and a bit simplistic for such an apparent intellectual colossus as yourself. Guess there are some things they can't teach you at Keele Polytechnic.

Perhaps your overt patriotism is a case of absence making the heart grow fonder - there's a simple solution for that son...

We are a different race..Sweetie. We are proud of our Country...we have a sense of belonging!!

You evidently are not proud of yours....explains a lot of things.....

Feel sorry for you... son.

Guys please can you stop bickering.

Respect one another.

Cut out the insinuating and insults.

Stay on topic.

Yeh, time gentlemen PLEASE.Can you finish your drinks... have you no homes to go to?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm not on topic????? are you soft or something..

This whole thread has everything to do with Vlad-Haye.....Vlad is the number 1 heavy and he's fighting him so why avoid the old slug??

Now run along and patronise a 10 year old or something...you'd have better success there.

Does Haye intend to Avoid Vitali Klitschko?

Alright mate, it's all about wlad. How dies him fighting Wlad prove that he isn't going to avoid vitali. Wlad is #1, but he's a different fighter, vitali brings problems wlad doesn't so drawing a comparison is irrelevant.

Why would haye fight vitali? because many think hes the harder opponent, he has never been KO so people would likett o see if haye could do it, completely unifies the division, takes down the 2 most dominant champions if the last decade, see if the brother can avenge his brothers loss and the huge sum he would receive.

Don't see why I'm getting stick for loving my Country......

Then again It's a different culture.....

maybe if people like sweetie cared about other people apart from his family... like I do..things would change here..

It's not too late to have pride in one's roots.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:We are a different race..Sweetie. We are proud of our Country...we have a sense of belonging!!.

Such a sense of belonging that you emigrated? Hmmm...

I'm patriotic Truss, just not jingoistic or ignorant of harsh realities.

Haye has targeted wlad because he sees him as a more beatable opponent than vitali. If that makes me a traitor or commie sympathiser then so be it, but you should probably be aware that a)I'm desperate for haye to win and b)the cold war finished some time ago.

Commie stuff is old hat.....try to be original..

You said you didn't care about anybody but your family...

Why not be consistent......

You're about as patriotic as Lord Haw haw..

Trussman,

Final warning.

This is a topical debate on opinion regarding Haye's intentions.

This is nothing related to people's nationalism or their loyalty.

Please stay on topic.

And that goes for everyone else.

Thanks

You are a mod are you.???....I always did prefer the rockers!!

Why you picking on me...??

You going to ban me or something???

The boys and I are having a debate.....you are party pooping.

I said my sense of belonging is to me and my family, there's a significant difference, if you're gonna try to quote me at least get the words and context correct.

As for the commie stuff being old hat - I guess it must be another Trussman banging on about Americans knowing not to trust the eastern bloc on his 'don't trust a klitschko' thread?

Are you suffering with delayed concussion from that headbutt tonight Truss, or has your scuffle reignited your long dormant testosterone levels? There must be some reason for you acting like a plank and spoiling for a row at every opportunity. Son.

Well that is what it says under my name.

I am not picking on you.

I have been watching this thread and you have gone off topic and making insinuations about people.

I posted previously asking for you guys to calm down and thus not happened. I did say in my post that it does apply to all posters on this thread as they have retaliated.

Please stay on topic.

We better be careful sweetie....we could end up getting kicked off by an over zealous moderator...

I was on the wind up sweetie....been a while since we clashed heads and you made the usual quality sparring adversary....

No offence intended...you dirty unpatriotic swine

Ps if this is my last post I enjoyed the debates over the years guys..