PGA Tour: The Players: Notes from the Ballwasher

by kwinigolfer Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

1).Well done to Tyrrell Hatton, great win at Bay Hill which continued the run of non-American winners - Day, Leishman, McIlroy, Molinari, Hatton.
This was also an Open Championship qualifier and Keith Mitchell (for the second year running), Danny Lee and Dahmen get to battle the traffic at Royal St.George's in July.

2).For the second week running, the course set-up seemed to make scoring unnecessarily tricky given the prevailing weather conditions. A war of attrition, but not necessarily the most attractive golf for the TV viewer to enjoy.
Hopefully the set-up at TPC Sawgrass will enable the world's best to play their shots.

3).Scott Piercy made news for all the wrong reasons last week and now Tour Commish Monahan has expressed disappointment "in the lack of judgment used" and "that it has been addressed with Scott directly". Good thing Monahan didn't say "he knows better" because Piercy clearly doesn't. But his sponsors do, thankfully, tho' any Tour punishment will be kept unpublished - unless he starts missing tournaments, from which we might draw our own conclusions.
Personally, I'd like to have seen his "invitation" to Bay Hill revoked, but no such disapproval reported from the API.

4).Interesting graph from princedrac's twitter account this week showing the top ten owgr points-getters at The Players:
Four Americans: Woods, DLIII, Furyk, Couples
Three Aussies: Elk, Scott, Shark
Nick Price
Sergio & Langer
A good week, of which there haven't been many recently, will see Garcia can jump from 2nd to 1st, ahead of Tiger.

5).That's reflective of an international honours board with eight of the last twelve winners being "overseas" players.
And first-timers at TPC have a tough time too - after Jerry Pate won on the course's debut in 1982, only Hal Sutton and Craig Perks have won trophy on their first trip. Leading "rookie" last year was Eddie Pepperell who stormed home in 3rd place - but he's busy trying to figure out how you get dq'd three times in less than 2 years.

6).This week looks like the exact halfway point of the pre-Play-Off PGA Tour season, the 23rd event out of a total of 46. About 50 pros have already won enough FedEx Points to assure them a tee-time at the Northern Trust, Round 1 of the FedEx Cup Play-Offs.
Not many are Europeans: McIlroy, Hatton, Rahm, Hovland.

7).And only Fleetwood among other Europeans is comfortably placed, for now.
Those who have struggled this season so far, but are exempt at least through next year, include McDowell (79th), Casey (93rd), Lowry (140th), Molinari (168th), Donald (assuming he takes another earnings exemption - 172nd), Garcia (179th), Willett (181st), Stenson (197th), Wallace (202nd), Rose (205th),
While this lot, all not yet exempt for 2020/21 have it all to do: Straka (82nd), Norlander (84th), Knox (90th), Fitzpatrick (100th), Noren (107th), Rafa C-B (120th), Poulter (128th), Cappelen (130th), Laird (158th), Ventura (175th), Power (201st), Bjerregard (224th), Lewis (227th), plus 3 or 4 others on more tenuous status.

8).But one or two American "faces" are also struggling, with these three less than half-way to a Play-Off goal about 400 pts:
110th: Spieth
111th: D.Johnson
213th: Koepka

9).The Florida "Swing" has a musical chairs of dates next year, starting with Bay Hill, then The Players, followed by "Honda". No word yet on how Valspar fits in, but hopefully retains its fourth slot in Florida.

10).Finally, the Top 64 in the owgr's after The Players will qualify for the WGC-MatchPlay in Austin in a fortnight's time.

Any Valspar Notes will be added here next week.

by pedro Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:55 pm

McLaren wrote:
GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Murmurings of a second positive test on tour

Confirmed.

Cam Champ.

Who deserved it more than him?

Sergio?

by pedro Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:06 am

McLaren wrote:
GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Murmurings of a second positive test on tour

Confirmed.

Cam Champ.

Who deserved it more than him?

Tbh I think Bubba is quite deserving the way he wastes his “prayers”.

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/bubba-watson-some-playing-partners-can-be-two-shot-penalty

by robopz Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:18 am

pedro wrote:I can give Sergio the benefit of the doubt. Plus English is his second language. Doesn’t help much being married to a Texan in this respect. (Sorry robo)

It's OK... I'm tri-lingual myself... English, Spanish & Texian... Very Happy

by Shotrock Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:37 am

Hey - You could interpret peabrain's actions in the bunkers in so many ways. Or his deliberate damaging of the greens. Or his "fried chicken" comment. That stuff is trivial ... Rolling Eyes

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:55 am

incontinentia wrote:

Navy, can you really watch footage of Sergio's behaviour and call it trivial? And that video doesnt even contain his deliberate destruction of the greens at last years saudi arabia open.

Not really. I mean I can't really say that his behaviour is trivial. He's clearly got an issue - maybe he should take a break? It's a shame as I've always like him as a golfer.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:57 am

pedro wrote:
McLaren wrote:
GPB wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Murmurings of a second positive test on tour

Confirmed.

Cam Champ.

Who deserved it more than him?
Sergio?

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:05 am

Shotrock wrote:Hey - You could interpret peabrain's actions in the bunkers in so many ways. Or his deliberate damaging of the greens. Or his "fried chicken" comment. That stuff is trivial ...

I have to ask. How does it feel to be at one with Super_Realist with the unnecessary and childish desire to use an insulting nickname by default, when a simple surname would do? How about we refer to all those golfers we have a personal distaste for by using a dumb, insulting nickname? I'm sure we all have our personal dislikes. What great threads these would be then.

To be clear, too many of Garcia's actions warrant being called out as stupid. Personally, I wonder if he's got some personal issues, but that wouldn't necessarily excuse it.

by McLaren Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:07 am

Navy/inco

That video doesn't even include throwing his club at his caddie at last years open.

by robopz Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:26 pm

G-Macs caddie Ken Comboy tests positive back home in Florida... Which means GMAC chose to WD despite a negative test on Monday..
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https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/06/23/graeme-mcdowell-withdraws-from-travelers-after-caddie-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

by robopz Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:29 pm

Navy... Agree on the childish derogatory nicknames...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:03 pm

Koepka's caddie tests positive for Covid - and he has withdrawn from the Travellers

by **navyblueshorts** Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:47 pm

McLaren wrote:Navy/inco

That video doesn't even include throwing his club at his caddie at last years open.

I don't care, Mac. I know where you stand and how you think everything is black or white. Let's leave it now, shall we?

by GPB Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:00 pm

Now Koepka's caddie, Ricky Elliot has tested CV19+. Koepka has WDed.

by I'm never wrong Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:05 am

If New York State still has the quarantine it has just imposed in place in September, a number of players will have to find somewhere else to stay after the Tour Championship rather than going to their Florida homes if they want to play in the US Open...if it is still at Winged Foot, that is.

by GPB Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:48 pm

If things don't change in New York, USGA will probably move the US Open.

Most likely Oakmont, but I would rather see Pinehurst.

Its prime Hurricane Season in the Atlantic in September. which could impact any event on the East Coast.

by robopz Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:29 pm

GPB wrote:If things don't change in New York, USGA will probably move the US Open.

Most likely Oakmont, but I would rather see Pinehurst.

Its prime Hurricane Season in the Atlantic in September. which could impact any event on the East Coast.

I'm betting NY would issue a waiver for the US Open. Especially if all the players are pretested.

by GPB Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:06 pm

And a third player is CV19+.

Denny McCarthy has WDed after shooting 67 yesterday

https://twitter.com/RyanLavnerGC/status/1276539756453789697

by incontinentia Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:53 am

Is kwini gone for good?

by Shotrock Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:16 pm

I'm guessing he maybe.

Sad ... his knowledge was/is incredible.

by incontinentia Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:00 pm

Kwini, if you're watching...

by incontinentia Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:04 pm

Some round there by DJ, lowest of his career Yikes

by McLaren Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:25 am

incontinentia wrote:Kwini, if you're watching...

by McLaren Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:27 am

In all seriousness, I really hope to see kwini back here soon. I know I have been missing him a lot.

by I'm never wrong Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:18 am

incontinentia wrote:Some round there by DJ, lowest of his career

He knows his three times table anyway....

by super_realist Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:03 pm

McLaren wrote:In all seriousness, I really hope to see kwini back here soon. I know I have been missing him a lot.

Where's he gone? Can't blame him if he fancied a break.

by I'm never wrong Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:48 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
GPB wrote:hmm, no Thanks GPB for the link to the media guide.

And FWIW, Like Lowry, Herman and Champ have won on the PGATour within the last year.

At least they didn't do the USGA thing and pair Lowry with Colt Knost and Kevin Stadler.

Got a tip for you Kwini. Soak those Knickers in Soapy water. They will be easier to unknot.
Forwhatever it's worth, you never make a post without me concluding that you must be a total cucking funt.

Goodbye

I think this is the post whereby Kwini left this board.

by super_realist Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:20 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:
kwinigolfer wrote:
GPB wrote:hmm, no Thanks GPB for the link to the media guide.

And FWIW, Like Lowry, Herman and Champ have won on the PGATour within the last year.

At least they didn't do the USGA thing and pair Lowry with Colt Knost and Kevin Stadler.

Got a tip for you Kwini. Soak those Knickers in Soapy water. They will be easier to unknot.
Forwhatever it's worth, you never make a post without me concluding that you must be a total cucking funt.

Goodbye

I think this is the post whereby Kwini left this board.

To be fair, I do find GPB rather odious in a flag waving USA USA USA braggard type of way.

by GPB Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:21 pm

I wish Kwini was back here and posting. I like him. If it helps, I'm sorry my comments offended him. I have been offended by pejorative comments here (like the previous post) by I just consider the source and their personality.

But IMO, his repeated complaints about Lowry not getting into a featured group was just finding something to whine about. Like it or not, Shane Lowry is not as popular in the USA as he is in Europe. And the Tour is going to put popular players in featured groups. And Lowry does not help himself by showing IMO a modicum of contempt for the PGATour by playing the absolute minimum requirements and doing very little, if anything, to promote the Tour.

FWIW, It is perfectly unobjectionable for Lowry to do what he is doing. Its within the rules and bylaws. But why should the Tour go out of their way to promote him. A certain amount of Quid Pro Quo.

Lowry is not getting Dew Sweeper or late afternoon Tee times. He is in the Top Tier of tee times, and getting paired with other players in the Top Tier. He just happens to be on the other side of the draw.

Who knows, maybe Shane doesn't want the limelight. Not all players do. There are a lot of distractions when you are in the featured groups.

PGATour Golf was "Back on the Tee" and complaints who was not in the featured group was just finding something to whine about.

So Kwini, if you are reading this. Come back. I'm sorry I offended you with my knickers comment.

by GPB Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:36 pm

Re; Flag Waving and the USA.

Apparently you haven't been reading all my posts. (Maybe you were reading the messenger, rather than the message)

There is a lot of USA Golf that I do not like.

I can't stand the USGA. I think they are bunch of elitist snobs they make decisions IMO, that are not in the best interest of game.

Lots of American Players that I do not like. Tiger Woods, Patrick Reed, Bubba Watson, Webb Simpson, Kevin Na, JB Holmes.

It just that I find many criticisms about these players (and others) posted here as superficial. They sound like the stereo-typical "Mean Girl at the Mall". Juvenile and Sophomoric.

"Hot " Take Comments like

Nine Chins
Spindly Legs
Fatprick

There are plenty of more legitimate complaints that you can make about players other than their appearance. Obviously these players are not the perfect human specimens that 606v.2 bloggers are.

by McLaren Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:04 pm

Is it worth a mod reaching out to kwini? It really would be sad if we lost him.

by Davie Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:27 pm

I thought Kwini had thicker skin than that. Maybe something else

by Shotrock Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Well, it is a board of opinions. And the number of times someone's opinion changed mine? About zero. And I suspect that's as frequently as my opinion has changed someone else's.

That said, some opinions are backed by data. To that, I tip my hat to GPB, Robo and Kwin. Generally, their posts are data rich.

And the Shane Lowry snubbing? Sorry, I don't see it.

by McLaren Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:38 pm

Davie wrote:I thought Kwini had thicker skin than that. Maybe something else

Whatever it was it maybe wouldn't hurt for a mod to reach out and let him know we are worried about his absence.

by super_realist Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:49 am

McLaren wrote:Is it worth a mod reaching out to kwini? It really would be sad if we lost him.

For goodness sake Mac, we are not babies. If he wants to take a break for a while then let him.
It's just an Internet forum, he's not being bullied or having his "mental health" unduly ruined by a few comments.

by JAS Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:20 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Is it worth a mod reaching out to kwini? It really would be sad if we lost him.

For goodness sake Mac, we are not babies. If he wants to take a break for a while then let him.
It's just an Internet forum, he's not being bullied or having his "mental health" unduly ruined by a few comments.

Seems like no time at all since you had your wee sabbatical, I hope with Kwini it’s much the same, just taking a wee break from it. There’s a good mix of different people on this forum but Kwini not being here however would leave a huge hole. As well as being very knowledgeable, he can debate in a balanced way as well. Looking at everybody that posts I’d say, for me, he’s the most respected poster on the boards.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:32 pm

Good win for Dustin Johnson last night, despite not really playing that well in the final round.
An unfortunate meltdown from Brendon Todd helped, especially around the green at 12...where he played it like I would. Streelman played ok, just didn't get enough putts to drop. DeChambeau feels close to winning, but is really struggling to take advantage of this distance off the tee with his approach shots.

by incontinentia Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:49 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Good win for Dustin Johnson last night, despite not really playing that well in the final round.
An unfortunate meltdown from Brendon Todd helped, especially around the green at 12...where he played it like I would. Streelman played ok, just didn't get enough putts to drop. DeChambeau feels close to winning, but is really struggling to take advantage of this distance off the tee with his approach shots.

Do you reckon De Chambeau's bulking will affect his longevity in the game? Tiger's extreme workout regimen certainly didn't help his body. Seems like a Mickelson approach may be better in this regard.

by super_realist Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:55 pm

incontinentia wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Good win for Dustin Johnson last night, despite not really playing that well in the final round.
An unfortunate meltdown from Brendon Todd helped, especially around the green at 12...where he played it like I would. Streelman played ok, just didn't get enough putts to drop. DeChambeau feels close to winning, but is really struggling to take advantage of this distance off the tee with his approach shots.

Do you reckon De Chambeau's bulking will affect his longevity in the game? Tiger's extreme workout regimen certainly didn't help his body. Seems like a Mickelson approach may be better in this regard.

I think Botox Woods problem was that his workouts were done with little understanding of how it would affect him as conditioning in golf was practically unheard of at the time.

Clearly he made errors in the type of and intensity of exercises resulting in a ruined back and he also looks like he did no work on his puny legs so he had all that power going through two tooth picks. Not surprising he had problems.

I would imagine Duschambeau might have done a bit more research given his fondness for science, although it does look like he has simply been on the chocolate biscuit diet. I think it's his brain which holds Duschambeau back.

by McLaren Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:26 pm

Super

Stop with your nonsense about Tigers legs. His legs are ripped.

by super_realist Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:28 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

Stop with your nonsense about Tigers legs. His legs are ripped.

Sure Mac, Even Mcilroy took the pi$$ out of him for his scrawny pins.

by incontinentia Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:16 pm

His calves have always been very small

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