The Trump Presidency

by Duty281 Wed 04 Nov 2020, 5:17 am

First topic message reminder :

Well we'll wait and see about Arizona. Pundits seem to think it's a done deal; they don't seem to have considered it's only Election Day votes left to count.

Ohio called, but Texas and Florida not, which is very poor. Iowa should be called soon for Trump. Trump with healthy leads in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania...he needs 'em if Arizona's going blue.

Georgia seems to be faltering for Trump, but he's still ahead for now. North Carolina's probably in recount territory. unless Trump has more votes to secure it.

This mainstream media bias is quite something. Trump 49-48 ahead in Montana, 50% voted...oh yeah, that's too close to call. Trump 50-48 ahead in Virginia, 76% voted....oh yeah, we're calling that for Biden.

by **superflyweight** Thu 26 Nov 2020, 1:18 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote: Not only is Trump a moron, he's dangerous because he actually thinks he's clever

'Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

Concussion?

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 1:21 pm

Trump turned 40m into 3 billion by knowing how to sweet talk politicians....Strong arm contractors...Employ the best operators...He won the GOP nomination as an outsider and turned over the huge favourite Clinton to become President.

Lost one of the closest Elections in modern history during a damaging pandemic with many suffering Economic Fallout. Which was impressive by itself.

Best selling author...Number 1 TV show.

Think many would love to be a Moron like Trump.

by **superflyweight** Thu 26 Nov 2020, 1:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Trump turned 40m into 3 billion by knowing how to sweet talk politicians....Strong arm contractors...Employ the best operators...He won the GOP nomination as an outsider and turned over the huge favourite Clinton to become President.

Lost one of the closest Elections in modern history during a damaging pandemic with many suffering Economic Fallout. Which was impressive by itself.

Best selling author...Number 1 TV show.

Think many would love to be a Moron like Trump.

Think his political success says more about the lack of intelligence in a large portion of the electorate than it does about his own cognitive abilities. He's a conman and he found a massive gullible mark.

by Duty281 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 2:47 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:At no point has anyone said he recommended it, I made it clear it was a suggestion of a solution.

Navy did.
That wasn't my intent. To be clear, I don't believe he recommended that the US public inject disinfectant. What he did do was actually posit that it would be worth investigating whether injection of disinfectant could treat Covid. Ditto that sunlight might work if it could be shone inside the body (reckon this is because he clearly spends too much time on a tanning bed).

This is hair splitting. The man's an utter moron and yet you appear to believe that he's mentally more competent than Biden. Not only is Trump a moron, he's dangerous because he actually thinks he's clever and, in addition, he's a sociopath.

The distinction is quite important because there's quite a difference between the two things.

And of course Trump is mentally more competent than Biden, and this is not a high bar to clear. When Trump starts struggling to identify family members, or talks about how he loves kids jumping on his lap, or confuses a phone number with a website, then I might start believing he's not as lucid as Biden.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 26 Nov 2020, 2:55 pm

Yeah, it's a non-contest really.

https://youtu.be/UE9BXkQ-SRc

And that's just 2019.

by Soul Requiem Thu 26 Nov 2020, 3:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:At no point has anyone said he recommended it, I made it clear it was a suggestion of a solution.

Navy did.
That wasn't my intent. To be clear, I don't believe he recommended that the US public inject disinfectant. What he did do was actually posit that it would be worth investigating whether injection of disinfectant could treat Covid. Ditto that sunlight might work if it could be shone inside the body (reckon this is because he clearly spends too much time on a tanning bed).

This is hair splitting. The man's an utter moron and yet you appear to believe that he's mentally more competent than Biden. Not only is Trump a moron, he's dangerous because he actually thinks he's clever and, in addition, he's a sociopath.

The distinction is quite important because there's quite a difference between the two things.

And of course Trump is mentally more competent than Biden, and this is not a high bar to clear. When Trump starts struggling to identify family members, or talks about how he loves kids jumping on his lap, or confuses a phone number with a website, then I might start believing he's not as lucid as Biden.

The distinction is fairly irrelevant, either way it was an idiotic comment to make and does not suggest mental competence.

by lostinwales Thu 26 Nov 2020, 3:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Trump turned 40m into 3 billion by knowing how to sweet talk politicians....Strong arm contractors...Employ the best operators...He won the GOP nomination as an outsider and turned over the huge favourite Clinton to become President.

Lost one of the closest Elections in modern history during a damaging pandemic with many suffering Economic Fallout. Which was impressive by itself.

Best selling author...Number 1 TV show.

Think many would love to be a Moron like Trump.

Lost money running a casino. A man whose word is so well respected that no American bank will lend him money. A man who is classed as a billionaire because he says so. A man with a reputation of not paying.

Worthwhile looking up how he got his personal jet sometime. Hugely depressing that some of what he does is apparently legal.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 26 Nov 2020, 4:06 pm

His one undeniable talent is for deception and self-promotion.

'Over time, I have learned that he should not have been on the first three Forbes 400 lists at all. In our first-ever list, in 1982, we included him at $100 million, but Trump was actually worth roughly $5 million — a paltry sum by the standards of his super-monied peers — as a spate of government reports and books showed only much later.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trump-lied-to-me-about-his-wealth-to-get-onto-the-forbes-400-here-are-the-tapes/2018/04/20/ac762b08-4287-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

by Duty281 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 4:37 pm

Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 26 Nov 2020, 4:39 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Trump turned 40m into 3 billion by knowing how to sweet talk politicians....Strong arm contractors...Employ the best operators...He won the GOP nomination as an outsider and turned over the huge favourite Clinton to become President.

Lost one of the closest Elections in modern history during a damaging pandemic with many suffering Economic Fallout. Which was impressive by itself.

Best selling author...Number 1 TV show.

Think many would love to be a Moron like Trump.

Nope, I wouldn't want to be a moron like Trump. Then again, I'm assuming I'd retain my self-awareness for others, conscience etc in such circumstances; he's clearly in possession of nothing of the sort. If I was a deranged sociopath like him then, yep, I'd probably want to be like him.

Let's see if any chickens come home to roost once he's vacated the White House - I won't hold my breath, but here's hoping. He's a POS and relies on those around him (i.e. the wider GOP) being both spineless and wanting power at any cost. Well, they got their wish, but suspect the longterm cost will be higher than they might have wished.

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 26 Nov 2020, 4:40 pm

Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 26 Nov 2020, 4:44 pm

Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

Semi-on?

by lostinwales Thu 26 Nov 2020, 5:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

by Duty281 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 5:38 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

Trump's chances of winning the 2020 US Presidential election have increased from 2.7% to 7.7% overnight on the exchanges.

by lostinwales Thu 26 Nov 2020, 5:46 pm

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

Trump's chances of winning the 2020 US Presidential election have increased from 2.7% to 7.7% overnight on the exchanges.

Thank you. Still utterly bizarre and strange what people will throw money away on

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 7:08 pm

Harris poll...Trump approval..

Approve 51
Disapprove 49.

If Trump polled like this 3 weeks ago he'd have won a second term..

Timing is everything in life...

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 26 Nov 2020, 7:21 pm

You know back room shenanigans are not a recent development in Presidential Elections...A few years after Lincoln the unluckiest Candidate in history a Democrat called Samuel Tilden actually won the Presidency by one Electoral vote over Rutherford Hayes but never became President..

The only Man to win the Post and not take office.

Democrats agreed to give Hayes 20 more votes if he agreed to take Soldiers out of some of the Southern Territories that were left over from the great war.

Tilden is a footnote and Rutherford B Hayes is a Commander in Chief.

Life ain't fair....Garfield succeeded Hayes and got assassinated while waiting for a train in DC....McKinley killed as well only 20 years later....Chuck in the Cleveland crash of 1893 and the Andrew Johnson impeachment trials.

Dark days..

by alfie Fri 27 Nov 2020, 12:26 am

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Trump now 12/1 to win the election on the Exchanges, after being 36/1 overnight.

The game's afoot? Plenty of people will need spirits if that charge continues.

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

Trump's chances of winning the 2020 US Presidential election have increased from 2.7% to 7.7% overnight on the exchanges.

What this shows , I think , is that bookmakers are quite happy to encourage idiots to continue throwing their money away in pursuit of delusions. The only surprise is that they still have enough takers to make it worthwhile publishing the odds.

by alfie Fri 27 Nov 2020, 12:36 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Harris poll...Trump approval..

Approve 51
Disapprove 49.

If Trump polled like this 3 weeks ago he'd have won a second term..

Timing is everything in life...

There is a difference between a poll and an election , in case you haven't noticed. Not sure why you are so keen to push the "Trump was unlucky" line ? It is all rather pointless now , no ?

One might suggest that if the Democrats had a more charismatic candidate than Biden they might have won a lot more easily. But that would be equally pointless.

Think most of the world is probably thankful that the narcissist is out of the job and an administration composed of mostly competent professionals is going to replace a bunch of sycophants who serve at the whim of a moody man-child as long as they indulge his fantasies.

Yes , I admit some bias. Smile

by GSC Fri 27 Nov 2020, 9:21 am

The exchanges are people betting against other people, not bookmakers no? I thought the bookies closed all the election markets weeks ago

by alfie Fri 27 Nov 2020, 11:19 am

GSC wrote:The exchanges are people betting against other people, not bookmakers no? I thought the bookies closed all the election markets weeks ago

Probably right , GSC...I confess to knowing nothing of these matters Smile

But I know which side of those "exchanges" I'd prefer to be on ...even if it means "risking" 12 pounds to win one...

by Mind the windows Tino. Fri 27 Nov 2020, 11:22 am

He's already said he will "leave the White House" if ( Headscratch

) Biden wins the EC. Clearly still clinging on to the voter fraud angle despite no credible evidence. But he has, apparently, hinted that he won't ever formally concede and could even sh*t all over tradition and skip the inauguration.

No amount of chest thumping and invective spilling from his toady little mouth can hide the fact that this election will crush him. This is him now till the day he dies - a man whose whole reason for being has been stripped away. He has to win, losing isn't an option for his fragile psyche. This is going to eat away at what soul he has left till the very end.

by dummy_half Fri 27 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm

Tino

I think it was Trump saying he'll prepare to leave once the Electoral College votes are cast and if those go against him. The current legal and political strategy is to try to get State delegations to not vote in line with the results in their state because of the allegations of fraud (either via Court order or political pressure on state governors).

The formal Electoral College vote is 14 December. States have to certify their election results some time before that - iirc, at least 2 weeks prior is normally mandated (a hang-over from when it would take that long for State delegations to travel to Washington to cast their votes).

by Mind the windows Tino. Fri 27 Nov 2020, 12:11 pm

dummy_half wrote:Tino

I think it was Trump saying he'll prepare to leave once the Electoral College votes are cast and if those go against him. The current legal and political strategy is to try to get State delegations to not vote in line with the results in their state because of the allegations of fraud (either via Court order or political pressure on state governors).

The formal Electoral College vote is 14 December. States have to certify their election results some time before that - iirc, at least 2 weeks prior is normally mandated (a hang-over from when it would take that long for State delegations to travel to Washington to cast their votes).

Ah, understood. Thanks. I only caught half the story earlier.

by lostinwales Fri 27 Nov 2020, 1:53 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:He's already said he will "leave the White House" if ( ) Biden wins the EC. Clearly still clinging on to the voter fraud angle despite no credible evidence. But he has, apparently, hinted that he won't ever formally concede and could even sh*t all over tradition and skip the inauguration.

No amount of chest thumping and invective spilling from his toady little mouth can hide the fact that this election will crush him. This is him now till the day he dies - a man whose whole reason for being has been stripped away. He has to win, losing isn't an option for his fragile psyche. This is going to eat away at what soul he has left till the very end.

Pretty much all politician's careers end in failure. Only way I can think of to avoid it is probably to die on the job.

by Mind the windows Tino. Fri 27 Nov 2020, 2:03 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Mind the windows Tino. wrote:He's already said he will "leave the White House" if ( ) Biden wins the EC. Clearly still clinging on to the voter fraud angle despite no credible evidence. But he has, apparently, hinted that he won't ever formally concede and could even sh*t all over tradition and skip the inauguration.

No amount of chest thumping and invective spilling from his toady little mouth can hide the fact that this election will crush him. This is him now till the day he dies - a man whose whole reason for being has been stripped away. He has to win, losing isn't an option for his fragile psyche. This is going to eat away at what soul he has left till the very end.

Pretty much all politician's careers end in failure. Only way I can think of to avoid it is probably to die on the job.

That's true but not many of them consistently display the characteristics of a sociopath like The Don. This is going to hurt him more than failure hurt those that came before him.

No amount of after dinner speaking or book sales are going to ease that crippling feeling that he will carry around inside. He'll say the opposite, of course, and his supporters will lap it up.

by lostinwales Fri 27 Nov 2020, 2:54 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Mind the windows Tino. wrote:He's already said he will "leave the White House" if ( ) Biden wins the EC. Clearly still clinging on to the voter fraud angle despite no credible evidence. But he has, apparently, hinted that he won't ever formally concede and could even sh*t all over tradition and skip the inauguration.

No amount of chest thumping and invective spilling from his toady little mouth can hide the fact that this election will crush him. This is him now till the day he dies - a man whose whole reason for being has been stripped away. He has to win, losing isn't an option for his fragile psyche. This is going to eat away at what soul he has left till the very end.

Pretty much all politician's careers end in failure. Only way I can think of to avoid it is probably to die on the job.

That's true but not many of them consistently display the characteristics of a sociopath like The Don. This is going to hurt him more than failure hurt those that came before him.

No amount of after dinner speaking or book sales are going to ease that crippling feeling that he will carry around inside. He'll say the opposite, of course, and his supporters will lap it up.

And then there are all the court case piling up against him. I don't think many will have much traction but the banks calling in the debts will.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Nov 2020, 12:21 pm

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:No amount of chest thumping and invective spilling from his toady little mouth can hide the fact that this election will crush him. This is him now till the day he dies - a man whose whole reason for being has been stripped away. He has to win, losing isn't an option for his fragile psyche. This is going to eat away at what soul he has left till the very end.

I'll show some sympathy when he shows some humility.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 01 Dec 2020, 1:16 pm

GOP poll 2024....without Trump..

Trump Jr 20%
Pence......20%
Cruz.........7%
Pompeo...4% (Please no)
Rubio........3%

Trump is 53% if he stands nearly 40% ahead.

Back Rubio....

by dummy_half Tue 01 Dec 2020, 5:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GOP poll 2024....without Trump..

Trump Jr 20%
Pence......20%
Cruz.........7%
Pompeo...4% (Please no)
Rubio........3%

Trump is 53% if he stands nearly 40% ahead.

Back Rubio....

A week is a long time in politics - 4 year an eternity. There's a good chance DJT won't be in a position to run in 4 years time, either because of legal entanglements or simply because of his age and possible declining health. Without Daddy at the forefront of the news, I can't see support for Donald junior holding up (also if the worst stories of Trump's tax avoidance and debt are close to true).

Of those you list, I agree that Rubio would be the most electable in a conventional sense (Trump's electability coming from his celebrity and his salesman attitude).

by BamBam Wed 02 Dec 2020, 9:30 am

If the rumours are true about pre-emptive pardons coming for the Trump children, surely there is no way that any of them will be elected to public office

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 02 Dec 2020, 11:16 am

Georgia....Senate run off....Poll.

Loeffler....50% Rep
Warnock..46%.Dem

Big race decides whether the GOP can gridlock Biden or not.

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 02 Dec 2020, 4:33 pm

BamBam wrote:If the rumours are true about pre-emptive pardons coming for the Trump children, surely there is no way that any of them will be elected to public office

One would hope not, but then Trump was elected...

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 03 Dec 2020, 4:07 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
BamBam wrote:If the rumours are true about pre-emptive pardons coming for the Trump children, surely there is no way that any of them will be elected to public office
One would hope not, but then Trump was elected...

Why would being pardoned for 'crimes you may have committed' be a problem these days when America is hugely divided with 73% of Republicans believing the Election was rigged and according to Pew research voters across the board thinking 64% of political media stories are fabrications...Americans don't have any faith in the system that's why Trump won in the first place and he would have won again if Covid hadn't have happened as polls pre-covid show.

Fake news erodes trust and with 90% of the media outlets being Liberal there is much sympathy for Trump and his family in some quarters. His latest approval is 49% which is respectable...Higher than Boris Johnson who leads Starmer over here on best PM....

If the US will elect Daddy why not Junior ??...Junior has a regular slot on Fox which helps and is regularly invited on True Patriot radio shows..

Most Americans vote with their wallets....If Junior provides a coherent vision he could go along way to becoming President in a post Covid Economy.....With a depression headed its way an anti immigrant policy could be effective and he will have one of them.

Bet on Rubio though......Smooth, agreeable and still has a machine from 2016...

If being a crook was that much of a problem Clinton wouldn't have won the popular vote...

Americans won't buy it's Trump's fault in four years...

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Dec 2020, 4:40 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Most Americans vote with their wallets....If Junior provides a coherent vision he could go along way to becoming President in a post Covid Economy...

Sorry, I read that as 'cocaine vision'. Is that when it looks like you're crying?

by **navyblueshorts** Thu 03 Dec 2020, 4:49 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
BamBam wrote:If the rumours are true about pre-emptive pardons coming for the Trump children, surely there is no way that any of them will be elected to public office
One would hope not, but then Trump was elected...

Why would being pardoned for 'crimes you may have committed' be a problem these days when America is hugely divided with 73% of Republicans believing the Election was rigged and according to Pew research voters across the board thinking 64% of political media stories are fabrications...Americans don't have any faith in the system that's why Trump won in the first place and he would have won again if Covid hadn't have happened as polls pre-covid show.

Fake news erodes trust and with 90% of the media outlets being Liberal there is much sympathy for Trump and his family in some quarters. His latest approval is 49% which is respectable...Higher than Boris Johnson who leads Starmer over here on best PM....

If the US will elect Daddy why not Junior ??...Junior has a regular slot on Fox which helps and is regularly invited on True Patriot radio shows..

Most Americans vote with their wallets....If Junior provides a coherent vision he could go along way to becoming President in a post Covid Economy.....With a depression headed its way an anti immigrant policy could be effective and he will have one of them.

Bet on Rubio though......Smooth, agreeable and still has a machine from 2016...

If being a crook was that much of a problem Clinton wouldn't have won the popular vote...

Americans won't buy it's Trump's fault in four years...

Pretty good summary, more's the pity. Sad state of affairs if such a bell-end can be considered to have a chance.
Not sure I agree w/ the Clinton bit - forgive me for the lack of knowledge, but what exactly did she do that makes her a crook?
As for 'fake news', suspect that's cobblers. Editorial bias plays (too much of) a part and clouds the picture, but it's only outright fake in Trump's deluded brain. More of a problem is if people don't like hearing something, it's far too easy these days to find someone touting what one wants to hear, whether it's based in reality or not.

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 03 Dec 2020, 5:24 pm

Trump just now, asked if he still has confidence in Bill Barr: "Ask me that in a number of weeks from now."

by **JuliusHMarx** Thu 03 Dec 2020, 10:00 pm

If fake news bothered people, they wouldn't vote for Trump - he spreads it as much as anyone. People are happy to believe in fake news as long as it matches what they already believe in. Some people pretty much only believe in fake news.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 14 Dec 2020, 4:48 pm

New Hampshire the first Primary in the US schedule....

2024 GOP polling..

Trump 57%
Romney 7%
Pence....7%
Cruz.......4%
Rubio.....2%

Considering that all the above names are highly recognisable...

If he was considering another throw it is a very encouraging poll for the Trumpet..

Four years is a long time...especially with all the Coke and burgers lined up in Trump Towers.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 04 Jan 2021, 1:52 pm

Oops...

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/3/22211657/washington-post-trump-call-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-recording-find-votes

In any other period of US history, this would be dynamite. Suspect it'll just be a slight increase in the smell of sewage emanating from 1600, Pennsylvania Avenue, however.

by dummy_half Mon 04 Jan 2021, 3:22 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Oops...

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/3/22211657/washington-post-trump-call-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-recording-find-votes

In any other period of US history, this would be dynamite. Suspect it'll just be a slight increase in the smell of sewage emanating from 1600, Pennsylvania Avenue, however.

Yep - the President threatening a state SoS to make him falsify the vote tally of a Presidential election (ignoring the fact that the result has been certified and the electoral college votes cast) would in any normal time be unthinkable, and at least borders on criminal (sedition). Yet it's Trump, so this will barely raise a ripple amongst the Republicans and his supporters more generally.

I fear for the future of liberal democracy, not just in the US, if all of Trump's actions post election (and to some extent in the election run-up) are allowed to go unpunished. However, how do you go after him without it looking purely political?

by Samo Mon 04 Jan 2021, 3:43 pm

Somwhere in the world, Richard Nixons corpse just breathed a sigh of relief that he'll no longer be remember as the US's most corrupt President.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 04 Jan 2021, 5:11 pm

dummy_half wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Oops...

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/3/22211657/washington-post-trump-call-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-recording-find-votes

In any other period of US history, this would be dynamite. Suspect it'll just be a slight increase in the smell of sewage emanating from 1600, Pennsylvania Avenue, however.

Yep - the President threatening a state SoS to make him falsify the vote tally of a Presidential election (ignoring the fact that the result has been certified and the electoral college votes cast) would in any normal time be unthinkable, and at least borders on criminal (sedition). Yet it's Trump, so this will barely raise a ripple amongst the Republicans and his supporters more generally.

I fear for the future of liberal democracy, not just in the US, if all of Trump's actions post election (and to some extent in the election run-up) are allowed to go unpunished. However, how do you go after him without it looking purely political?

Who cares? Trumpites will think such a thing is purely political no matter what. Think it's more important, possibly, to ensure that there's a penalty for such corruption. He'll get his re. his and his family's criminality anyway, once he's left office. Nothing any pardon can do to protect against that as most of that activity not Federal.

by Samo Tue 05 Jan 2021, 7:13 am

Nail on the head there Navy. Theres always going to be the radicals who claim its political. Now more than ever the constitution of America needs to be protected and prove once and for all that no one is above the law. I just wish most of the GOP would grow a spine and do what needs to be done.

by lostinwales Tue 05 Jan 2021, 9:56 am

There is a little story that the president's plane is due to fly to Prestwick on the 19th.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 05 Jan 2021, 10:38 am

lostinwales wrote:There is a little story that the president's plane is due to fly to Prestwick on the 19th.

Note to anyone in vicinity: ensure you beat the lockdown and stock up on eggs in advance....

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 05 Jan 2021, 11:43 am

None of the Republican senators and congressmen / women who plan to 'object' to the states' election results on Wednesday think it will, or can, make any difference to the outcome. They're all doing it because they think it'll help them politically in the future. The only good thing about all of it is that Trump himself thinks they're somehow going to install him as president instead, he's pinned all his hopes on the 6th, so we get to witness the mother of all rage-crashes when it comes to nothing.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 05 Jan 2021, 11:55 am

Said it before and I'll say it again: the US political system is FUBAR and the current GOP (in the main) want power at any cost. Integrity, morals etc are a thing of the past.
The sad thing is, is that it appears many of the US public buy into the narrative. Appears to be somewhere near the apogee of what first reared its head publicly w/ all the 'Tea Party' nonsense. Will take years to (hopefully) wash out of their politics.

Time for the EU, Africa etc to stand on their own feet. What visionaries we were to pick this time to leave the EU... picard

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by **Pr4wn** Wed 06 Jan 2021, 8:21 am

It looks as though the Democrats have split the Senate, giving them control when you take into account Kamala Harris' deciding vote.

Trump has done a fantastic job of unifying his opponents and galvanising the African American vote in Georgia, I'll give him that.

by king_carlos Wed 06 Jan 2021, 9:01 am

Pr4wn wrote:It looks as though the Democrats have split the Senate, giving them control when you take into account Kamala Harris' deciding vote.

Trump has done a fantastic job of unifying his opponents and galvanising the African American vote in Georgia, I'll give him that.

Mitch McConnell's grip on the senate slipping. Yahoo

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