England's Winter of Cricket 2020/21

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Rum sort of field for Nadeem to Sibley...two short covers ???

Not noted for getting caught there , is he ? Strange theory...

Jeez. That was ridiculously close. Maybe benefit of the doubt to the batsman as no obvious evidence... But looked out to me.

That looks out to me.

Either way Foakes is a mighty slick keeper.

Looked like a hometown decision to me, no part of the foot behind the line.

Was there no way to zoom in there? I know they do that for some close no-ball decisions.

Looked out to me. Looked even more out on another viewing. Didn't like that the third umpire didn't spend much time viewing it.

In one decision it highlights why we now have neutral umpires, that is just bad.

That stumping was very close. I'd like to have seen a view from the off side.  He might have got lucky then as I'm not sure there was anything actually grounded behind the line. But hard for the TV umpire to give that , didn't think he could be sure enough from the angles we saw.

Neat piece of work from Foakes

Line belongs to the umpire
So had the umpire given him out would have been equally OK as the not out was

Now comes in Pant
We need a 30nto 40 from him at least

Doesn’t matter too much. Moeen justifying his place with a catch on the boundary.

Wonderful innings by Rohit - a probable match winning effort

There will be a lot of talk about selection with 4 changes but I actually think England as a unit have bowled similarly to the first innings in T1. One spinner bowling well the other not so much. The extra pace looking threatening with the steadier seamer forced to play a containing role.

The biggest difference is just much better batting. Rohit has been fantastic and Rahane has played a very valuable support role.

England will need to bat to a similar standard in their first innings.

Gone now !  Rohit holes out off Leach...Moeen gets some consolation by catching him.
End of a magnificent innings of 161

Leaves his team in a strong position. And a nice platform for Pant...

I love a bit of justice dispensed quickly.

The end of an excellent innings from Rohit, and an opening for England.

KP_fan wrote:Line belongs to the umpire
So had the umpire given him out would have been equally OK as the not out was

In that scenario the umpire has just sent it straight upstairs rather than calling it not out on field and England referring though?

KP_fan wrote:Line belongs to the umpire
So had the umpire given him out would have been equally OK as the not out was

In that scenario the umpire has just sent it straight upstairs rather than calling it not out on field and England referring though?

The breakthrough England direly needed.

If they can nip another out before the second new ball then India will face a tough final spell to finish the session.

Off spinner in Mo on to Pant. Like this move. Get it spinning away.

Rohit goes after a fine innings. Of course he got out caught in the deep, but after scoring 161 fine runs during a stay that was largely discipline. A double ton was there for the taking, but well, will take this...
Bit of a bad time really for Rohit to get out, the new ball is not too far away, and though the pitch does have some life, it is clearly a new ball pitch even for spinners.

Foakes is so so good though, very few keepers would have turned that into a chance.

KP_fan wrote:Eng have dropped /lost their wkt taking bowlers  in Anderson and Archer
Stokes can't be asked to bowl

That makes Eng significantly weakened as a bowling side
Foakes is a very clean. WK must say

That tallies with all the other comments today about his keeping in this match. In other words, nothing said. AGoing unnoticed is always a clear sign of a fine keeper.

Felt the stumping should have been given. I couldn't see anything behind the line and don't believe the third umpire would have done either. It's important - or should be - that the square leg umpire referred the appeal to the third umpire without making a decision.

For once, Butcher is right about the reason for the appeal which the umpires don't appear to understand or have looked at.

Belated tv replay shows the catch by Pope off the glove. Shocking.

Embarrassing from the third umpire, abysmal

Utterly ridiculous, ball clearly hits the glove but not even checked.

That’s come off Rahane’s glove and they didn’t even look at it. Come on now. Normally they check everything even when it is obviously not out. They even checked the LBW!

This is just blatant cheating, I'm sorry.

Rahane and Rohit both feeling a bit of guilt...

England not doing very well with their review calls in this series...

But odd that they didn't check if that touched the glove on the way up from the pad ?  Have they been dudded here ? They checked the lbw  , but that wasn't a consideration.

Root unhappy.

Happy now though as Rahane swipes and gets bowled !

249/5 ...fightback on

Hometown umpiring at its finest.

But justice is swift again. Though the wicket goes to Moeen.

England back in business, both set batsmen removed.

Really poor umpiring, but England has had swift justice.

Soul Requiem wrote:Foakes is so so good though, very few keepers would have turned that into a chance.

I know that I bang on about it but I do love watching a keeper like Foakes behind the stumps. He's just a such a natural. To a critical eye his stance is a bit wide and he often doesn't appear to get right down low in that stance whilst setting up late. His hands are so good that he makes it work brilliantly though.

JDizzle wrote:Rahane and Rohit both feeling a bit of guilt...

The cricketing gods doing justice quickly today! Good bit of bowling from Moeen, who’s recovered better in this spell and England do have an opening...but you kind of fancy India might have enough already with the way the pitch is going

msp83 wrote:Really poor umpiring, but England has had swift justice.

Perhaps the best for the game that Rahane got out soon after there.

Really ridiculous for England to not get the wicket and lose a review on that one. I'd be spitting.

king_carlos wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Foakes is so so good though, very few keepers would have turned that into a chance.

I know that I bang on about it but I do love watching a keeper like Foakes behind the stumps. He's just a such a natural. To a critical eye his stance is a bit wide and he often doesn't appear to get right down low in that stance whilst setting up late. His hands are so good that he makes it work brilliantly though.

Jack Russell didn't get right down low either, he explained it helped keep his movements fluid and side to side gives a better view.

It's harder to get back down if your trigger brings you up.

Ravichandran Ashwin coming in at 7, and not Axar Patel. Is it about not wanting 2 left handers together or was the plan always? If so, what does it say about team management's confidence about Axar's batting? Not the kind of bowler to run through lineups, can't be trusted to bat 7. What role do they see in Patel then?

king_carlos wrote:

msp83 wrote:Really poor umpiring, but England has had swift justice.

Perhaps the best for the game that Rahane got out soon after there.

Really ridiculous for England to not get the wicket and lose a review on that one. I'd be spitting.

England should get the review back (not that'll it do much good, mind, with this third umpire!).

king_carlos wrote:

msp83 wrote:Really poor umpiring, but England has had swift justice.

Perhaps the best for the game that Rahane got out soon after there.

Really ridiculous for England to not get the wicket and lose a review on that one. I'd be spitting.

You’d hope at the very least England get their review back tonight. Seen it happen when the technology has failed and not available so should happen when the human element fails too.

Soul Requiem wrote:This is just blatant cheating, I'm sorry.

Doubt it's cheating , Soul. Incompetence , rather. A bunch of inexperienced umpires , communication failed. I wonder could Root have argued them into having a second look , explaining the appeal was specifically for glove after pad ? No matter now , anyway.
But leaves one short of confidence in these umpires - who were pretty good in the first match , to be fair.

Stokes is understandably still ticking over that review and seemed to be asking the umpires for the review back.

I think it was during the Donald and Atherton watch-along of their battle that one of them mentioned that most bad tempered Tests 'back in the day' happened during series with some highly questionable umpiring decisions. DRS has to a large extent improved player relations they both felt as there is now less tension in that regard.

It's two decisions arguably being affected by what the third umpire is being shown by the broadcasters. For the stumping there wasn't a view from the off-side available, which usually comes from a fixed camera set up for the duration of the Test. For the stumping it wasn't rolled on far enough.

alfie wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:This is just blatant cheating, I'm sorry.

Doubt it's cheating , Soul. Incompetence , rather. A bunch of inexperienced umpires , communication failed. I wonder could Root have argued them into having a second look , explaining the appeal was specifically for glove after pad ?  No matter now , anyway.
But leaves one short of confidence in these umpires - who were pretty good in the first match , to be fair.

It looked like Root said that to the umpire and seemed happy enough to leave it, which makes me suspect he was told they have checked...

alfie wrote:After tea sensation...Moeen bowls a maiden !

Stone continues to impress. Nearly had Rahane then , misjudging the bounce.


I hope guildford's worst case scenario is just that !

Whilst quoting Olly's feared 476-3, I did also allow for Sir Geoffrey's 2 wickets changing the look of the scoreboard. It took a bit longer than ideal - not least due to some shoddy umpiring - but we're there now at 258-5. Get Pant soon and we'll be in a good place.

It goes beyond incompetence when the captain is telling you it came off the glove and you refuse to check. I understand people want to be diplomatic and not make accusations but it's the only logical conclusion.

Yes, think England should have their review restored. Could kind of understand the Rohit call, probably there wasn't enough to give it out there, benefit of doubt and all that. But the review for catch was just utterly embarrassing. BCCI has to really invest more in their umpires, that is one area where the progress Indian cricket has made in the last couple of decades haven't really reflected. After Venkat, we haven't produced a world class umpire.

alfie wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:This is just blatant cheating, I'm sorry.

Doubt it's cheating , Soul. Incompetence , rather. A bunch of inexperienced umpires , communication failed. I wonder could Root have argued them into having a second look , explaining the appeal was specifically for glove after pad ?  No matter now , anyway.
But leaves one short of confidence in these umpires - who were pretty good in the first match , to be fair.

The on field decisions have largely been good to be fair. Even that bat-pad catch being given not out is understandable. It's a tiny flick with the ball coming back off the pad. Very difficult to pick up as an umpire and the sort of thing that would very rarely be given before DRS and snicko.

The third umpire work on that is incompetent though without a doubt.

Back into the cricket we are fortunate that neither call has had much effect with the wickets falling soon after. Breaking that partnership before the new ball is huge for England. I hope to see Leach and Stone with the new ball. Leach to see if it bites more with a hard ball and Stone to bowl very fast and straight looking for variable bounce.

guildfordbat wrote:For once, Butcher is right about the reason for the appeal which the umpires don't appear to understand or have looked at.

Belated tv replay shows the catch by Pope off the glove. Shocking.

Yeah while they got Rahane
Emg are unlucky to lose that review

We should see more zip and bounce with new ball
Moeen and stone with new ball my oick

Yes , I don't have a problem with the stumping call - we mostly see what we want to see , there was doubt there , to be fair.
But that catch appeal ...they have direct radio contact between the umpires so the situation really should have been made clear all round , and the additional frames reviewed . Wouldn't have taken long ; and would have saved embarrassment...or eliminated doubts , had it not been out.

Just really bad umpiring. The sort of mess technology is supposed to prevent...

Fortunately cost no runs. Hopefully the lost review won't cause trouble later !

Should note the third umpire, was very very good onfield in the first test. Think it is probably just incompetence and lack of experience using the DRS/review system, which many of these guys probably have never used before.

There is a theory I’ve seen floated a few times about training a batch of third umpires who are third umpires only. Wouldn’t be the worst idea imo, some of the more experienced onfield guys aren’t always great with it

271/5, about 30 minutes left. Can England summon up a last burst and take two more wickets before stumps?

England have been given the review back. Umpires very fortunate both Sharma and Rahane were out shortly after otherwise it could have sparked a huge incident.

There is an ICC elite umpiring panel that officiates as 2 onfield and 3rd as TV umpire in tests
They are called ELITE for a reason

Covid strange rules have allowed all 3 to be domestic  umpires from the hosting Nation....And you can see a drop in quality to some extent and lack of experience to a bigger extent
The Pak umpire on icc panel did question  why umpires cannot travel like players do

Normally calm batsman like ashwin is trying to be proactive
Dancing down the pitch...He understands this is the type of pitch where you should score while out there