Golf Clubs and the crisis

Toyed whether to put this in anything goes thread but I think it deserves a thread of its own. The following is a post that went on our golf complex’s Facebook page. (Our club is separate from the golf complex which is council owned but sublet operationally to a private operator - the author is the head of the private operator). Have a read and let me know your thoughts, I’d be especially interested if other clubs are quoting similar numbers.

Xxxxxxx ELECTRICITY CRISIS xxxxxxxx

The electricity bills at Xxxxxxx Golf Complex for just the main Clubhouse buildings (which consume 140,000 KwH pa) have been increased by EDF with effect from Sept 1 from £25,000 pa (18p per pKwH) to £164,000 (£1.17 pKwH) an increase of £139,000 or over 600% last years level. At this level it is suicidal for us to open the Clubhouse (which is lossmaking anyway) and Twigmarket Ltd will be urgently considering next week, with its partners, emergency plans to temporarily close the Clubhouse until this crisis passes (or Government clarifies the support it will give businesses ) to preserve cash flow and to ensure that the overall business remains solvent.

The Golf Courses and the Driving Range (where all light fittings are being switched over to LED’s next week at a cost of £15,000 and which remains viable despite identical percentage cost increases) will certainly remain open. The Golf Shop will also remain open.

We will keep customers informed as these emergency plans for the Clubhouse develop over the month and we apologise in advance for any inconvenience. Any closure of the building, if it takes place, will be intended to be temporary it goes without saying. These are extraordinarily difficult times for all small businesses that consume energy and our priority is to simply remain in business so that we can continue to serve our customers, maintain employment and pay our rent and suppliers.

Let us pray for a warm winter and for our new Prime Minister (whoever it is) that they may grant some timely assistance to businesses and deliver us from EDF, for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever AMEN

One thing about the energy crisis (and it is something which genuinely warrants the term for once) is that it might teach us to be a bit less wasteful of things.

I was sitting in my club in June and the central heating was on. This is clearly ridiculous and unnecessary. Literally setting fire to money.

On the other hand I do wonder if we have become a bit too soft. I grew up in a house with no double glazing, no heating and only one coal fire in the entire house. Windows froze on the inside at times, and this was just normal in most Victorian built homes in the 1980's.

super_realist wrote:One thing about the energy crisis (and it is something which genuinely warrants the term for once) is that it might teach us to be a bit less wasteful of things.

I was sitting in my club in June and the central heating was on. This is clearly ridiculous and unnecessary. Literally setting fire to money.

On the other hand I do wonder if we have become a bit too soft. I grew up in a house with no double glazing, no heating and only one coal fire in the entire house. Windows froze on the inside at times, and this was just normal in most Victorian built homes in the 1980's.

Luxury! We had a coal fire but there were no coal because Mother stuck it in a pie and beat us around the head with it before she and father ate the pie, while us bairns waited for them to finish so we could lick the charcoal from their plates.

Never did me any harm.

superflyweight wrote:

super_realist wrote:One thing about the energy crisis (and it is something which genuinely warrants the term for once) is that it might teach us to be a bit less wasteful of things.

I was sitting in my club in June and the central heating was on. This is clearly ridiculous and unnecessary. Literally setting fire to money.

On the other hand I do wonder if we have become a bit too soft. I grew up in a house with no double glazing, no heating and only one coal fire in the entire house. Windows froze on the inside at times, and this was just normal in most Victorian built homes in the 1980's.

Luxury!  We had a coal fire but there were no coal because Mother stuck it in a pie and beat us around the head with it before she and father ate the pie, while us bairns waited for them to finish so we could lick the charcoal from their plates.  

Never did me any harm.  

Pie? You were lucky! We lived in a card board box in a septic tank in a hole in the ground, all 26 of us, just to keep warm. Every morning we woke up when a load of rotten fish was dumped all over us.

super_realist wrote:One thing about the energy crisis (and it is something which genuinely warrants the term for once) is that it might teach us to be a bit less wasteful of things.

I was sitting in my club in June and the central heating was on. This is clearly ridiculous and unnecessary. Literally setting fire to money.

On the other hand I do wonder if we have become a bit too soft. I grew up in a house with no double glazing, no heating and only one coal fire in the entire house. Windows froze on the inside at times, and this was just normal in most Victorian built homes in the 1980's.

So it's all our own fault for being wasteful? I do get the point but it's a bit like comparing farting to thunder.

The intended point of the post wasn't to beat the Poopie out of the current shower of lunatics in charge, it was a genuine...bloody hell if our lot are saying they're not going to be able to open the Clubhouse how many other Clubs (and other similar businesses) are in the same boat? and it's not just Clubs, schools are in the same position, in fact they're even worse, they have to support a teachers pay increase without being given the budget to pay for it. Oh wait a minute, what I said about not beating the Poopie out of the current shower of lunatics in charge, I take it back I just cant help myself and I've no idea why :-p

But meanwhile back to golf clubs, pubs and restaurants whose energy costs are spiralling out of control, what are they to do (other than tun off their central heating in June)

steady on JAS, I'm not saying that at all, but we do need to be a bit more sparing of all resources.

So many things and bad decisions have been made which have put us in this position, and it goes back decades. You can't place it at the foot of just one government , even although they have played a part

Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

McLaren wrote:Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

Because we lived in a Victorian house in the 1980's Mac.

Why are you blaming the Tories for the price of energy currently? Can't you see it's successive governments for decades and a global situation?
Are the Tories to blame for European reliance on Russian gas?

You can blame this current Tory government for tje contribution that poor lockdown decisions have made to inflation and the like, but it was Nick Clegg who said there's no point investing in nuclear when it would take a decade to start producing

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

Because we lived in a Victorian house in the 1980's Mac.

Why are you blaming the Tories for the price of energy currently? Can't you see it's successive governments for decades and a global situation?
Are the Tories to blame for European reliance on Russian gas?

You can blame this current Tory government for tje contribution that poor lockdown decisions have made to inflation and the like, but it was Nick Clegg who said there's no point investing in nuclear when it would take a decade to start producing  

Probably for the same reason that raving righties blame Labour for the whole of the 1970s? The oil crisis (global), the 3 day week (Heath's government) and rampant inflation (see oil crisis), you see what goes around comes around.

...and actually, Tory snouts are deep in the trough of enabling Russian billionaires to integrate themselves into our and other european markets but of course...no it's all Corbyn fault 'cos he was a raving Commie

Anyways, back to the point, and taking the politics out of it, like Mac said, should we just be lumping it and changing our shoes in the car park? I suppose the real crush will come when the tell us they cant afford the petrol for the lawnmowers

JAS wrote:Anyways, back to the point, and taking the politics out of it, like Mac said, should we just be lumping it and changing our shoes in the car park? I suppose the real crush will come when the tell us they cant afford the petrol for the lawnmowers

Jas, who doesn't change their shoes in the car park?

JAS wrote:

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

Because we lived in a Victorian house in the 1980's Mac.

Why are you blaming the Tories for the price of energy currently? Can't you see it's successive governments for decades and a global situation?
Are the Tories to blame for European reliance on Russian gas?

You can blame this current Tory government for tje contribution that poor lockdown decisions have made to inflation and the like, but it was Nick Clegg who said there's no point investing in nuclear when it would take a decade to start producing  

Probably for the same reason that raving righties blame Labour for the whole of the 1970s? The oil crisis (global), the 3 day week (Heath's government) and rampant inflation (see oil crisis), you see what goes around comes around.

...and actually, Tory snouts are deep in the trough of enabling Russian billionaires to integrate themselves into our and other european markets but of course...no it's all Corbyn fault 'cos he was a raving Commie

Ironically Corbyn refuses to condemn Russia.

super_realist wrote:

Jas, who doesn't change their shoes in the car park?

Me. I usually keep my stuff in my locker. Stops your house getting filled up with golf stuff.

super_realist wrote:

JAS wrote:

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

Because we lived in a Victorian house in the 1980's Mac.

Why are you blaming the Tories for the price of energy currently? Can't you see it's successive governments for decades and a global situation?
Are the Tories to blame for European reliance on Russian gas?

You can blame this current Tory government for tje contribution that poor lockdown decisions have made to inflation and the like, but it was Nick Clegg who said there's no point investing in nuclear when it would take a decade to start producing  

Probably for the same reason that raving righties blame Labour for the whole of the 1970s? The oil crisis (global), the 3 day week (Heath's government) and rampant inflation (see oil crisis), you see what goes around comes around.

...and actually, Tory snouts are deep in the trough of enabling Russian billionaires to integrate themselves into our and other european markets but of course...no it's all Corbyn fault 'cos he was a raving Commie

Ironically Corbyn refuses to condemn Russia.

Has he specifically been asked and can one view the response on publicly available media? Not that I'd wish to view it as it would probably be an hour long diversionary thesis on all the ins and outs of why. If on the other hand some hack in the Daily Mail said so then it must be true. Speaking of hacks I took a boot load of apples from my garden to be juiced last week. The guy that does the juicing is a former journalist who has clearly made his millions (unless he's squatting in his sizeable rural Wiltshire pad) anyways we got talking and it turns out we are fellow "champagne" socialists as right wing zealots would term us or hard working aspirational working class that haven't forgot our roots as we called ourselves. Apparently many of the journos that trot out Murdoch, Dacre & Barclay brothers bilge actually moonlight quite a bit on lesser known left wing blogs & podcasts.

JAS wrote:

super_realist wrote:

JAS wrote:

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:Super

Growing up I lived in a modern house with double glazing, great insulation and efficient heating. Why were you raised in a borstal?


On clubhouses and heating, I don't see what else a club can do but shut down the house if opening it would financially cripple the club. If one winter of changing your shoes in the car park is needed then so be it. What a terrible position for a supposedly modern nation to be in. Can anyone who voted conservative even remember what it was about them that made them seem like a good idea?

Because we lived in a Victorian house in the 1980's Mac.

Why are you blaming the Tories for the price of energy currently? Can't you see it's successive governments for decades and a global situation?
Are the Tories to blame for European reliance on Russian gas?

You can blame this current Tory government for tje contribution that poor lockdown decisions have made to inflation and the like, but it was Nick Clegg who said there's no point investing in nuclear when it would take a decade to start producing  

Probably for the same reason that raving righties blame Labour for the whole of the 1970s? The oil crisis (global), the 3 day week (Heath's government) and rampant inflation (see oil crisis), you see what goes around comes around.

...and actually, Tory snouts are deep in the trough of enabling Russian billionaires to integrate themselves into our and other european markets but of course...no it's all Corbyn fault 'cos he was a raving Commie

Ironically Corbyn refuses to condemn Russia.

Has he specifically been asked and can one view the response on publicly available media? Not that I'd wish to view it as it would probably be an hour long diversionary thesis on all the ins and outs of why. If on the other hand some hack in the Daily Mail said so then it must be true. Speaking of hacks I took a boot load of apples from my garden to be juiced last week. The guy that does the juicing is a former journalist who has clearly made his millions (unless he's squatting in his sizeable rural Wiltshire pad) anyways we got talking and it turns out we are fellow "champagne" socialists as right wing zealots would term us or hard working aspirational working class that haven't forgot our roots as we called ourselves. Apparently many of the journos that trot out Murdoch, Dacre & Barclay brothers bilge actually moonlight quite a bit on lesser known left wing blogs & podcasts.

I think it might have been Paxman asking him, someone like that anyway flat out asked him to condemn Russia for the Salisbury poisonings but he flat out refused to do so.