F1 2023 season

by Guest Fri 02 Dec 2022, 11:12 am

First topic message reminder :

Chinese Grand Prix is officially cancelled again.

by Guest Sun 18 Jun 2023, 8:26 pm

Russell subsequently retired after his brakes packed up.

by Guest Sun 18 Jun 2023, 8:41 pm

Max Verstappen wins the Canadian Grand Prix - historic achievement as he equals Ayrton Senna’s 41 career wins. Red Bull’s 100th win.

1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. LeClerc
5. Sainz
6. Perez + FL
7. Albon
8. Ocon
9. Stroll
10. Bottas

by GSC Sun 18 Jun 2023, 9:25 pm

Bit of a non event really. Verstappen always had it in hand, Alonso had an edge on Lewis until the tyre offset. Nobody behind them really in the game

by No name Bertie Mon 19 Jun 2023, 8:14 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:.... Red Bull’s 100th win.
1. Verstappen
2. Alonso
3. ~~Alonso~~ Hamilton
....
6. Perez + FL
7. Albon
....
9. Stroll...

One wonders whether Perez has been "broken". In his Red Bull career he started well off Verstappen's pace and then there were periods when it seemed he had closed the gap and had nailed the number two position, and now it seems he has fallen behind again. People say "Verstappen has the best car" and then others counter "yes, but Perez". I hope Williams have turned the corner. Albon said afterwards realistically 9th and 10th is the best they can currently challenge for if everybody finishes and usually it is the Alpines finishing in those positions + this circuit favors their car while other circuits don't. I also think this season we are seeing as many suspected that Russell is no Hamilton.

by Guest Mon 19 Jun 2023, 10:03 am

Perez’s will certainly seems broken after the recent woeful effects in qualifying. It’s also telling Perez whilst an excellent driver, doesn’t have the same aggression as Verstappen - the he starts out of position.

If Verstappen starts 15-20, you know he’ll still end up P2 at worse. Yesterday there was never any feeling Perez could make the podium.

And yes obviously Verstappen is incredible but that’s the levels Perez needs to be competitive.

by Marky Mon 19 Jun 2023, 10:29 am

When the Red Bull was miles clear, Perez was doing well and Max was cruising.

Now the Red Bull isn't quite as far ahead, Max is pushing harder to win and Perez is nowhere.

He's still a capable 2nd driver, but if Max was being consistently challenged for the WDC by a Hamilton/Leclerc/Alonso, he'd need Perez up there like he was in 2021.

I feel like Perez 2021 was proving a point after not being kept on by Racing Point, but that's worn off now.

The saving grace for Perez is there isn't an Alpha Tauri driver ready to step up and replace him like what happened to previously underperforming Red Bull drivers Laugh

by Guest Mon 19 Jun 2023, 11:03 am

It’s worth mentioning Verstappen hit a bird yesterday and it was left lodged in his right front brake duct.
He still won easily.
The Red Bull is as dominant as ever but Perez is unable to match Verstappen.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 19 Jun 2023, 11:44 am

Marky wrote:When the Red Bull was miles clear, Perez was doing well and Max was cruising.

Now the Red Bull isn't quite as far ahead, Max is pushing harder to win and Perez is nowhere.

He's still a capable 2nd driver, but if Max was being consistently challenged for the WDC by a Hamilton/Leclerc/Alonso, he'd need Perez up there like he was in 2021.

I feel like Perez 2021 was proving a point after not being kept on by Racing Point, but that's worn off now.

The saving grace for Perez is there isn't an Alpha Tauri driver ready to step up and replace him like what happened to previously underperforming Red Bull drivers

There isn't a driver at Alpha Tauri, but there is a former Red Bull man as reserve driver...sitting, waiting in the wings...

Can see that switch happening at the end of the season if this continues

by GSC Mon 19 Jun 2023, 12:25 pm

Certainly Perez needs to find his form again after 3 pretty bad qualifying sessions but it seems a bit early to start replacing him. Caught out here more by changeable conditions than the previous 2 races is some mitigation. Has been a pretty reliable #2 before this.

by GSC Mon 19 Jun 2023, 12:26 pm

I'd imagine Lawson will be in De Vries seat sooner than later

by Marky Mon 19 Jun 2023, 12:30 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Marky wrote:When the Red Bull was miles clear, Perez was doing well and Max was cruising.

Now the Red Bull isn't quite as far ahead, Max is pushing harder to win and Perez is nowhere.

He's still a capable 2nd driver, but if Max was being consistently challenged for the WDC by a Hamilton/Leclerc/Alonso, he'd need Perez up there like he was in 2021.

I feel like Perez 2021 was proving a point after not being kept on by Racing Point, but that's worn off now.

The saving grace for Perez is there isn't an Alpha Tauri driver ready to step up and replace him like what happened to previously underperforming Red Bull drivers

There isn't a driver at Alpha Tauri, but there is a former Red Bull man as reserve driver...sitting, waiting in the wings...

Can see that switch happening at the end of the season if this continues

Maybe if Ricciardo hadn't just had a season of being awful in the McLaren Whistle

by Guest Mon 19 Jun 2023, 1:15 pm

Sebastian Vettel recently rejoined the Red Bull stable, they say it because the German will try his hand at WEC. But if it's between Vettel and Ricciardo, Vettel would probably get the gig.

by GSC Mon 19 Jun 2023, 1:26 pm

Think we're all still a little bit early on trying to replace a driver being talked up as the only competition for Max 3 races ago

by Marky Mon 19 Jun 2023, 1:29 pm

GSC wrote:Think we're all still a little bit early on trying to replace a driver being talked up as the only competition for Max 3 races ago

That was everything to do with the car he drives and nothing to do with the abilities of the driver though Laugh

I agree with your point, but ultimately Perez is just 2017-2020 Bottas at this point, if that's what Red Bull want then he's not in any danger at all.

by GSC Mon 19 Jun 2023, 1:39 pm

To a degree but Perez was also producing some pretty good performances, particularly at street circuits before his Monaco crash. Now he's failed to reach Q3 in three straight races and his races are limited to recovery drives.

Needs a good drive in Austria next week, particularly needs to qualify well, but it does seem very soon to start talking up replacements (particularly when the mooted replacements are Riccardo on a gap year and Vettel coming out of retirement to do some exhibition stuff at the Nurburgring)

by Guest Wed 28 Jun 2023, 7:59 am

Sprint race weekend at the Red Bull Ring this weekend. Possibly the best chance for the Red Bull win streak to be ended.

by Guest Wed 28 Jun 2023, 4:54 pm

AlphaTauri will be once again rebranded for the 2024 season. Seems bizarre that they need to rebrand yet again...But I guess Red Bull having deep pockets, it's all good...

by GSC Fri 30 Jun 2023, 4:56 pm

GSC wrote:Needs a good drive in Austria next week, particularly needs to qualify well

by Guest Fri 30 Jun 2023, 5:10 pm

Verstappen pole position for the Austrian GP - 4th consecutive pole for the Dutchman.
LeClerc
Sainz
Norris
Hamilton
Stroll
Alonso
Hulkenberg
Gasly
Albon

by No name Bertie Fri 30 Jun 2023, 5:37 pm

Ever since Perez was declared as being in the Championship race four races ago results have taken a nose dive while Verstappen has been imperious. Another pole for Verstappen, Ferrari best of the rest. Interesting qualifying. Norris excellent. Albon into Q3 again.

by Guest Sat 01 Jul 2023, 11:26 am

Mercedes horrorshow in sprint qualifying.
Hamilton only 18th
Russell made sprint q2 but suffered hydraulic leak so starts 15th.

by Guest Sat 01 Jul 2023, 11:47 am

Verstappen crushes them all again pole for the sprint by nearly 0.5sec
Perez
Norris
Hulkenberg
Sainz
LeClerc
Alonso
Stroll
Ocon
Magnussen

by Guest Sat 01 Jul 2023, 3:36 pm

No love loss between the two Red Bulls. So nearly took each other out on lap 1 of the sprint.

by Guest Sat 01 Jul 2023, 4:05 pm

Max Verstappen with another crushing win as he romps to victory in Austria sprint - 21 seconds in 24 laps lmao

Verstappen
Perez
Sainz
Stroll
Alonso
Hulkenberg
Ocon
Russell

The top 5 didn’t bother switching to dry tyres.

by Guest Sun 02 Jul 2023, 1:20 pm

The Red Bull Ring signs long term extension - will remain on the calendar until the 2030 season. No real surprises as Red Bull has deep pockets and it’s one of best venues on the calendar.

by Guest Sun 02 Jul 2023, 3:31 pm

Max Verstappen crushes them at Spielberg once again - 5th consecutive win and 42nd career win moving passed Artyon Senna.

The end gap is not reflective as Verstappen pitted at the end to get fastest lap.

1. Verstappen + FL
2. LeClerc
3. Perez
4. Sainz
5. Norris
6. Alonso
7. Hamilton
8. Russell
9. Gasly
10. Stroll

Yet another crushing day for Mercedes, Hamilton was some 50 seconds off Verstappen(prior to Verstappen's late stop).

by Guest Sun 02 Jul 2023, 9:02 pm

So Aston Martin appealed the result of the race, citing the stewards didn't deal with track limit infringements correctly.

Long story short, post race 8 drivers received time penalties and below is the new top 10 classification.

1. Verstappen
2. LeClerc
3. Perez
4. Norris
5. Alonso
6. Sainz
7. Russell
8. Hamilton
9. Stroll
10. Gasly

The FIA has recommended Red Bull add gravel traps between the last two corners to avoid these track limit issues - Red Bull rejected this as they feel it will hamper MotoGP.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 03 Jul 2023, 9:46 pm

A fun race, all in all. Max still streets ahead of the competition but some great drives from Lando and Leclerc. Not Mercedes' finest hour, to say the least.

The whole track limits thing was a complete joke and it was coming close to spoiling what was quite an exciting race.

And, is it me? Or did anyone else see Checo go over that white line many, many times?

by GSC Sat 08 Jul 2023, 3:05 pm

F1 on terrestrial TV, it's all happening

by GSC Sat 08 Jul 2023, 3:14 pm

Probably a grid drop for de Vries coming.

Checo needs a lap as the rain comes back

by GSC Sat 08 Jul 2023, 3:15 pm

Red flag with rain falling probably effectively ends the session

by GSC Sat 08 Jul 2023, 3:33 pm

GSC wrote:
GSC wrote:Needs a good drive in Austria next week, particularly needs to qualify well

by Guest Sat 08 Jul 2023, 4:17 pm

Max pole…like shelling peas…
Norris and Piastri 2/3
LeClerc and Sainz 4/5
Mercedes 6/7

by Mr Bounce Sat 08 Jul 2023, 8:24 pm

I wonder how close Perez is to a P45? He's underperformed again. If this was Gasly, Kyvat or Albon he'd be gone by now. RB are not known for their patience.

by GSC Sat 08 Jul 2023, 8:27 pm

Perez is there because they had no options.

Same reason De Vries is in AT. Suspect Lawson will be in the AT seat at some point in the near future. Yuki I would guess will follow honda to AM

by No name Bertie Sun 09 Jul 2023, 12:06 pm

With regard the Alpha Tauri, maybe there should be less focus on rookie De Vries and more focus on the performance of Tsunoda and the car itself. De Vries is not too far away from Tsunoda in terms of speed but the gap makes more of a difference when the car is towards the back of the field.

by No name Bertie Sun 09 Jul 2023, 12:16 pm

Apart from the Red Bull - Verstappen combination who are in a class of their own, the competition behind them seems to be getting interesting. Great qualifying from Piastri, Albon and Hulkenberg. Well done to Norris also. Let's see how the race itself unfolds.

by Guest Sun 09 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm

Max Verstappen wins the British Grand Prix - his 6th consecutive victory. Only Ascari(7), Rosberg(7) and Vettel(9) have won more consecutive races.
Probably a sweet moment for Verstappen as this one that had escaped him in recently years.

Lando Norris with a brilliant second place, will enhance the feeling he should get a go a Red Bull Racing.

Lewis Hamilton lucks out to third place. He was nowhere all race but safety car played out in his favour.

Oscar Piastri was fantastic and the safety car robbed him of a podium place.

George Russell will be gutted. Did everything right and the cards didn’t fall for him.

1. Verstappen + FL
2. Norris
3. Hamilton
4. Piastri
5. Russell
6. Perez
7. Alonso
8. Albon
9. LeClerc
10. Sainz

by No name Bertie Sun 09 Jul 2023, 6:01 pm

Despite Sergio Perez' qualifying issues over the past four races he looks nailed on to finish P2 in the drivers championship which is what Red Bull really want and would be a first for them (P1+P2). If people can retain interest in the P3+ positions then it seems to be extremely competitive: with Mercedes, Ferrari, Aston Martin and now McLaren in the mix.

by Guest Mon 10 Jul 2023, 1:26 am

Supposedly Red Bull has an upgrade package for Hungary…

by Marky Mon 10 Jul 2023, 8:34 am

Jeff Navarro wrote:Lewis Hamilton lucks out to third place. He was nowhere all race but safety car played out in his favour.

I agree he lucked into third, but to say he was nowhere is harsh, he'd gone long and overcut his way to be comfortably 5th before the SC

Plus if anyone deserves SC luck in their favour after the last couple of years... Whistle

by Guest Mon 10 Jul 2023, 12:38 pm

Marky wrote:
Jeff Navarro wrote:Lewis Hamilton lucks out to third place. He was nowhere all race but safety car played out in his favour.

I agree he lucked into third, but to say he was nowhere is harsh, he'd gone long and overcut his way to be comfortably 5th before the SC

Plus if anyone deserves SC luck in their favour after the last couple of years...

I meant that Piastri was more deserving of a podium. He did everything right but for an untimely SC. But it is as it is ultimately.

by Marky Mon 10 Jul 2023, 2:50 pm

100% agree Piastri was unfortunate not to finish P3. Could also hear it in Russell's voice when he heard Hamilton had pitted under the SC as he was hoping to challenge Piastri for P3!

by Guest Tue 11 Jul 2023, 3:12 pm

Nyck de Vries has been sacked by Red Bull, Daniel Ricciardo will replace with immediate effect.

by Marky Tue 11 Jul 2023, 3:54 pm

Has he been sacked? I assumed he would just swap with Ricciardo and become the test driver or something

by No name Bertie Tue 11 Jul 2023, 4:21 pm

So Ricciardo now happy to accept a drive from a back of the field team? Yes will be interesting to see how far ahead he is of Tsunoda if at all. Think it is unfortunate for DeVries - he was not so far behind Tsunoda - about 0.25 second or so in his rookie season.

by Lowlandbrit Tue 11 Jul 2023, 4:37 pm

No name Bertie wrote:So Ricciardo now happy to accept a drive from a back of the field team? Yes will be interesting to see how far ahead he is of Tsunoda if at all.

The only thing more obvious than that it's a a shootout to see who could be Verstappen's nr 2 next year, is that's it's a warning to the current one.

by Marky Tue 11 Jul 2023, 4:46 pm

To be fair, De Vries had far more experience than a normal rookie. It's harsh but they expected him to perform a lot better considering his Formula E, WEC and three seasons in F2, and plenty of F1 testing.

by Marky Tue 11 Jul 2023, 4:57 pm

He's also 28, despite being a "rookie" he was the 8th oldest on the grid Laugh

by Guest Tue 11 Jul 2023, 5:50 pm

Marky wrote:Has he been sacked? I assumed he would just swap with Ricciardo and become the test driver or something

Sacked.
The reserve is Liam Lawson for both Red Bull teams

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