Wales U20 management a disgrace

welshjohn369 wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:I know a lot of you are mentioning the school level of rugby however if you look at the WRU structure and pyramid system you would know Schools rugby was stopped for a reason. Clubs try and run junior teams and this was hindered by schools rugby. Very often we would play rugby on the friday evening for our school and again on the saturday for our clubs and often there would be problems if a player refused to play for one of the sides. I remember our coaches telling me off for going to one training session and not the other. Basically the wru changed it so players wouldnt be playing a silly amount of games and tried to organise it beter which from my experiances is a good thing. these days the clubs do it all. Besides club rugby was always a much higher standard because only players who wanted to play rugby were in those sides. how many school games did you play in where half the boys didnt want to be there and did nothing all game? very often those games were about 2-3 star players who were trying and carried the team, while the rest were messing about.

Well compare NZ to Wales or any of the UK / NH set ups and NZ win ands down. Maybe the WRU and the clubs need to have a long hard look at why we are so far behind NZ! Too many chief's perhaps.

rugbydreamer wrote:The thing is, when they interviewed some of the players afterwards, to me they didn't actually seem all that upset. If it was me I'd have been distraught. Makes you wonder what thinking they took into the game with them. If they thought they were going to lose form the off, it might not be such a big blow to them psychologically.

RubyGuby wrote:How do they work out the semis etc from 3 groups?

Boyne wrote:92 - 0???

Can NOBODY stop this madness??!!! So it'll be my great great great great grandchildren who will see a first Irish victory over these freaks..... and when they do it'll probably be in a movie or a dream or something!!

TheGreyGhost wrote:"Wales sent out a 2nd string under 20's that were literally lambs to the slaughter"

But...prior to the game we were hearing things like:

"Maybe a more territory based tactic with Shingler at Fly Half or maybe Webster thinks he would be a massive target for the Blacks. He seems like the kind of player who would enjoy being targetted and could be an impact player to come off the bench and hopefully find holes in the NZ defence. Will be a very interesting game"

and

"I am pretty happy with Richard Websters choices. Lets hope its a good game..."

and

"We are lucky that due to the fierce competition within the camp for every position, this side is every bit as strong as the starting line-up selected against Argentina."

and

"Lloyd Peers is one of the true leaders within the squad, giving him the captain's armband for this game is a natural progression for him."

It didn't sound like anyone was saying "2nd string ... lambs to the slaughter", until it was 92-0.

Lydon pinpoints areas of concern
15 June 2011, 7:01 pm
By WRU
Wales has already started looking at the intensity of rugby played by its young players as the WRU analyses Tuesday's 92-0 record defeat by New Zealand Under 20.
Head of Rugby Joe Lydon has pinpointed the difference in the calibre of games being played by New Zealand youngsters compared to the Welsh as one of the factors in the gulf between the sides.
Lydon and Wales Under 20 head coach Richard Webster refused to make excuses for the defeat but insisted the team will now be determined to regain their confidence when they play Italy on Saturday and in their remaining games.

"It's a huge disappointment to lose with that kind of score line", said Lydon, "and it was especially disappointing that we didn't manage to even get on to the scoreboard.

"We have to look at the key factors in what caused that result, including the system that allowed that to happen.

"At the end of the day, a barometer of how we judge our international age grade set-up is how many international players we produce, and as we've shown in recent years, we have a good record in that regard, with the likes of Sam Warburton, Josh Turnbull, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Biggar, Jonathan Davies, Ryan Bevington and Scott Andrews all coming through the Wales Under 20 side in the last three years.

"More important however, is the intensity of rugby our players become used to and the week to week playing environment within which they hone the core skills and develop technical and tactical game understanding

"Whereas a large number of the New Zealand side play regular Super 15 rugby, we can't say the same about our Welsh international age grade players. While quite a few have had LV=Cup experience, they are not playing regularly for their regions in high level, intense and important games.

"We have to look at why that is - although some of our squad players figured strongly for their Premiership clubs in key British & Irish Cup, SWALEC Cup and Principality Premiership matches, an area already under review, others have hardly played any rugby since the Six Nations and that's something else we need to look at.

"We have to work more closely with the regions and the Premiership clubs in order to produce players who are ready to compete at a high level, even if that means working to further reduce the number of non-Welsh qualified players within Wales.

"The players are coached in the same way as New Zealand, they are taught the same techniques, but New Zealand's execution was much more clinical, and again, that comes down to the intensity in which they play rugby week in, week out."

Head coach Richard Webster was honest in his assessment of the game but insists the team now has to put it behind them in order to prepare to play Italy in their final Pool game on Saturday. He said: "Things went badly wrong for us because we had no ball or field position and we came up against a very strong team that took us apart.

"They capitalised on every small mistake - whereas against other teams you might recover, there was no chance of that with New Zealand.

"Whatever we did to try to turn things around, they found a way of countering that, if we kept it tight, they went wide, if we went wide, they went up the middle. New Zealand are a class above the rest - they beat Australia 62-17 in last year's final which just shows where they are in this age group.

"We will have to look at the reasons for the heavy defeat further when we return home but for now, as a group, we have to put the loss behind us and focus on playing well against Italy on Saturday.

"Wales finished in seventh place in this competition last year, sixth the year before and we have a good chance of improving on those positions which is what we will be aiming to do."