Daryl Harper

I see that Daryl Harper is having one last dig before he goes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/14189554.stm

Oh no, another supremacist minded cricketing gentleman cant bear to see Asians dominance.

I really used to like him as an umpire but he really lost the plot over the last few years once sinility set in.

..but he does have a point too.

How can ANYONE do any job when they know that those in charge won't back them when they're being ripped to shreds (often with bare-faced lies) by certain boards and players?

Harper's interview/dig at Indian players just prove that he has personal issues with Indian players, which kinda prove Dhoni right.

Can everyone give this racism towards India a break?

I mean sure Harper was a fine umpire a few years ago, but in all likeliness he went on too long and the errors started to crept in.

The guy is human after all and not a machine.

What Dhoni said was out of order, as the players must respect the umpire.

Bucknor, after having a shocking last few years, has faded away and is remembered as a fine umpire. Harper must do the same or he'll be remember as a bitter old man - and he deserves better than that.

Good for him to speak out now. If other umpires feel harrassed and denigrated then in in future I hope they do the same.


No country is above the game and if they continue to think that I hope it will come back to haunt them.

As i said, Harper was a good umpire and i used to like hinm but he hasnt been very good of late.
I would say that he has a point against the Indian team but at the same time many other countries players can be abusive towards the umpires... Broad anyone.

If he came out and just said that Umpires should be more respected on a whole instead of labeling one country then his words would have carried more weight as in that he would be correct. To label one country is never a good thing i am afraid.

So now we have Harper, Hair, Bucknoor and Broad all accussed of being racist against India after clashes with their players over decisions in recent years.
Global conspiracy, or perhaps a fundamental lack of respect from senior India players an officials? You can hardly blame Harper for speaking out...its getting ridiculous.

At some point Indian players, and their fans, will have to accept that decisions can go against them..sometimes unfairly. It makes the resistance to UDRS even more ridiculous.

Hair Harper, Bucknore, all of their controversial decisions, on recoreds, need to reviewed, and tell them how crud they were towards Asians.

back to the topic, why all these non Asians are up in the arm against India and Indians?? where were they when the all mighty WI and Oz were causing hevocs of all kind, (verbal, phisical, by getting drunk)

activereactive wrote:Hair Harper, Bucknore, all of their controversial decisions, on recoreds, need to reviewed, and tell them how crud they were towards Asians.

back to the topic, why all these non Asians are up in the arm against India and Indians?? where were they when the all mighty WI and Oz were causing hevocs of all kind, (verbal, phisical, by getting drunk)

See this is the issue. Its people like yourself thats making this an issue off race. These are umpires from all over the world who make bad decisions against everyone, its just certain player and peopel such as yourslef who then equates that to Asiains versus non Asians...and feel harshly treated despite some of teh suppossed bad decisions being either no fault of the umpires or in some cases arguably correct. Drunken yobbish behaviour form Australians has bnothing to do with this, they werent accussing umpires of bias and trying to intimidate them out of making fair calls. Rules have been tightened to deal with sledging and physical intimidation whether thats persdonal remarks from Australians, dangerous bowling from the West Indians (backed up by physical threats) its not an issue of race, all players are expected to abide by these standards....and to behave withs oem level of respect to umpires whther thats not appealing like a luntaci by the likes of panesar, crying and questioning everything like Broad, or disrespcting umpires on the field and in the press.

The umpires and match refrerees are held to account by the ICC. They have their peformances reviewed and are held to account for poor decisions. The players are suppossed to have their behaviour held to account too, but it isnt happening. That goes as much for Stuart Broad chuntering (for which he has been fined) as it does for and Indian captain telling an Umpire he doesnt respect his decisions.

The accustaions of racism are a misplaced victim complex and do you no favours. The same excuses were made for the Pakistan team last summer during the spot fixing scandal.

At some point you will have to accept that umpires have the right to make calls against your team. Even WG Grace was given out on occassion.

Peter;

I see where your coming from and agree, this should not be seen as a race issue. That said, I can understand the Indian players and fans getting upset though as Harper did single them out when he really should have been making a more global statement in regards to all teams.

As soon as you single out one nation for special attention in a statement like that you are bound to get a response in an unfavourable way.

He "singled them out" because he was talking about specific incidents in and after a specific game.
If he had said the entire Indian nation are bullies that would have been racist. To say that Dhoni and the the Indian team bullied me, and that has never happened before, is not or even unfairly singleing them out.
We other teams doing the same (openly questioning his fitness to umpire during and after a game) and forcing him to retire then yes he should have made a global statement, but they didnt.

He does say that all sides should be held to the same standards, the only way he is singleing India out is to say that in his experience they (as a side not a race or nation) are the only ones he has receieved such a level of disrespect from. And hes not the first umpire or official to have come across this.

Given Dhoni was allowed to get away with what he said, Harper may have a point.

Peter;
I know that he was refering to the recent series but i still feel that you should'nt name a specific side. For the record, i dont for one second buy into these 'Harper is racist' statements but i can understand the genuine Indian fans feeling a bit upset that their side was mentioned and not many others that are guilty for the same offence's.

If he had said that he is retiring due to the lack of respect that players over the world have for umpires then i feel that it would have hit home with the ICC more and would not have caused such a stir.

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Given Dhoni was allowed to get away with what he said, Harper may have a point.

So what did Dhoni say?

ECricket wrote:

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Given Dhoni was allowed to get away with what he said, Harper may have a point.

So what did Dhoni say?

After he removed Kumar for persistently running on the pitch ( which he was) Dhoni walked up to Harper and said " we have had trouble with you before " Dohni had also critisized him when the player was first warned saying it wasnt fair because he was a new test player ( a ridiculous excuse). Dohni also reacted badly when Harper warned hikm aboyut the conduct of his fielders.

After the game he said something along the lines of " If he had made the correct decisions the game would be over a lot sooner and Id be in the hotel by now".

For the record there was only one decision in the game that would have been reversed by DRS, and Harpers correct call percentage in games featureing India is higher than the global average.

The question that Indians need to address is, why do you still have a giant chip on your shoulders, you're no.1 in the world ffs, yet you still bully umpires and the ICC, can you actually play fairly or will you do ANYTHING to ensure a win, no matter how low you have to sink to do so?

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

ECricket wrote:

Graeme Swann's Cat wrote:Given Dhoni was allowed to get away with what he said, Harper may have a point.

So what did Dhoni say?

After he removed Kumar for persistently running on the pitch ( which he was) Dhoni walked up to Harper and said " we have had trouble with you before " Dohni had also critisized him when the player was first warned saying it wasnt fair because he was a new test player ( a ridiculous excuse). Dohni also reacted badly when Harper warned hikm aboyut the conduct of his fielders.

After the game he said something along the lines of " If he had made the correct decisions the game would be over a lot sooner and Id be in the hotel by now".

For the record there was only one decision in the game that would have been reversed by DRS, and Harpers correct call percentage in games featureing India is higher than the global average.

Is that what Dhoni said or is that what Harper claims Dhoni said or is there some media spin to what Harper said? Unless anyone knows the truth its hard understanding some English fans taking word of Harper.

ReallyReal wrote:The question that Indians need to address is, why do you still have a giant chip on your shoulders, you're no.1 in the world ffs, yet you still bully umpires and the ICC, can you actually play fairly or will you do ANYTHING to ensure a win, no matter how low you have to sink to do so?

You mean Aussies never bullied umpires or WI team didnt go bullying umpires in NZ when they were no. 1.

At least I have never seen an Indian player finger wagging an umpire or breaking stumps when decision doesnt go their way.

As for chip on shoulder you dont need to reveal yours everytime , it gets boring

Harper has had a history of troubles with Indian team , and in general, his umpiring standards had gone down in the last few years.
But I think the usually calm and cool Mahendra Singh Dhoni went overboard in his attack on Harper. But at the same time, Harper also should have maintained more restraint, to take an onfield call is the umpire's job, then there is the match referee and the ICC to look into other issues. The umpire need not dictate to them. There has been other occasions when players have got away with nothing or very little on showing serious disrespect to umpires. I haven't seen other umpires going to town like Harper did. So, singling out India on the part of Harper attracted all the negativity coming his way.

i no harper's umpring isnt the greatest, but the way he was made to retire a game early from comments the indians made was dreadful. They complained about UDRS, ok ok the upmire makes the decisions, but u cant complain about that and then complain that much about umpring when they declined UDRS. It isnt right, and in that respect, you have to feel sorry for umpire harper

Harper was kicked out of elite panel even before India-WI series started.

Knowing some facts help

dosent matter, them comments shouldnt be said,

Which comments?

Them comments!

Look, Mr Harper has a point in regards to to umpires being bullied. That is absolutely clear. What he should not have done is single out the Indians, instead he should have made it a more global accusation as most countries do it.
The Indian team are in no way responsible for Mr Harper retiring. Its just brought across that way by his comments directed at the Indian team.

The lack of respect for umpires is a massive issue in the game and all top teams are at it.

"The lack of respect for umpires is a massive issue in the game and all top teams are at it."

Neutral umpires worked OK for a while (at least avoided any further incidents like the Gatting-Rana confrontation caused by either biased or incompetent umpires officiating in their home test series), but unfortunately it is inevitable that a 'win at all costs' attitude that pervades professional sports (and most strongly shown in football) leads to undue pressuring of the officials - after all, the job of an umpire or referee will always be based on desicions with a degree of subjective judgement. They get one view of an incident, often occurring very quickly, and have to make a decision.

Consider an LBW decision, and for extremes let's say it's Steyn or Brett Lee bowling right arm over to a lefty. The ball takes something like 0.4s to travel the length of the wicket.
Did the bowler over-step?
Did the ball pitch outside leg stump?
Did it hit the batsman in line with the stumps?
Did the batsman hit the ball before or after the ball hit the pads?
If he did hit it, where has the ball gone (chance of a catch?)
Would the ball have gone on to hit the stumps (line and height judgement - how far down the wicket did the batsman get)?

You've got one chance to see all this and make a judgement, and it happens in a fraction of a second. It's a tough job and the top umpires generally do a very good job under difficult circumstances.

It is a tough job dummy_half and one that should be respected by all players of all countries.

ECricket wrote:Which comments?

cricketfan90 wrote:

ECricket wrote:Which comments?