How do the AllBlacks keep getting away with it ?

Things are starting to go too far now !!! I have just finished watching the game and yet again I have watched the AllBlacks get away with countless infringements, not releasing the the tackler, knock on's, off sides, illegal rucking, killing the ball at the breakdown, some people might just say they are being streetwise but I just don't see it this way, I can turn a blind eye to the odd infringement but New Zealand go into every game with a mindset to cheat. Even the all time up his own arris Justin Marshell was commenting on how the AllBlacks today were getting away with murder(not his words but more or less) which was quite refreshing. I wouldn't mind so much but one decision against them, e.i the forward pass against France at the last world cup then there is all out war. I only hope the referee's are strong when the world cup comes along or it will be a hard task for anyone who plays them, not that it wouldn't if they did not bend the rules. Que the New Zealanders on here calling for my head for daring to speak the truth, but I must get this off my chest.

Anything good to say about them?

Yes, the All Blacks cheat.

So do Australia, South Africa, England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy, Argentina etc etc etc.

It's part of the game. The AB's are just better at getting away with it than most. There is no conspiracy, there is no favouritism from referees, it's called life.

Nothing to see here people, move along.

You have to play the referee simple facts of all sport i'm afraid.
If the referee doesn;t penalise them, then the All Blacks will keep doing it. the bottom line in Professional sport is winning,

LDCPete wrote:Yes, the All Blacks cheat.

So do Australia, South Africa, England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy, Argentina etc etc etc.

It's part of the game. The AB's are just better at getting away with it than most. There is no conspiracy, there is no favouritism from referees, it's called life.

Nothing to see here people, move along.

I am , the springboks don't cheat. We are guilty of thuggism, foul play, bullying and all that sordit stuff, but heck no! we don't cheat.

Are they not forms of cheating in their own right biltong???

The fact is, to cheat or "con" the referee into thinking that you are playing within the boundaries of the law, suggest a certain ability to be cunning, think with gile and intellect.

It is not possible for us to be brutish and yet have sufficient intellect to outwit the referee, don't you think?

I do like watching the All Blacks when they play with the ball in hand they are the most perfect rugby players on the planet. Where as most countries have a few players of that caliber, in New Zealand you seem to churn these players out at a click of a finger, which why I find it so frustrating that they must always resort to these "backhand" tactics when they are so good that they should not have to. Perhaps it the fact they have to always live up to these dizzy high's that the pressure to win directs them to win even if they do it unfairly.

I do like watching the All Blacks when they play with the ball in hand they are the most perfect rugby players on the planet. Where as most countries have a few players of that caliber, in New Zealand you seem to churn these players out at a click of a finger, which why I find it so frustrating that they must always resort to these "backhand" tactics when they are so good that they should not have to. Perhaps it the fact they have to always live up to these dizzy high's that the pressure to win directs them to win even if they do it unfairly.

Many definitions of cheat Biltong, and completely to suit my own purpose I am going with the following on this occasion.

2. To violate rules deliberately

I believe that covers the thuggish beahviour!

LDCPete wrote:Yes, the All Blacks cheat.

So do Australia, South Africa, England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy, Argentina etc etc etc.

Wales? Wales don't cheat!.... I'm reporting you to a Mod

Let me know when you've reported me so I can respond

LDCPete wrote:Many definitions of cheat Biltong, and completely to suit my own purpose I am going with the following on this occasion.

2. To violate rules deliberately

I believe that covers the thuggish beahviour!

Pete, we are going off topic, but I will humor you as you are the moderator and I am but a mere poster.

Thuggish behaviour under law is to assault and under the law a violent crime.

To cheat is to go outside the law in preventing or robbing someone of their possession.

Now I am not of the legal profession, but here in the good old SA we are simple people, we love our meat, drink, woman and

Corinthian Casuals was one of England's top football sides in the late Victorian era. They refused to defend penalties, their goalkeeper standing at the side of the goal whilst the penalty-taker put the ball in the net. Why? Because, they reasoned, if one of their team had done something bad enough for the referee to award a penalty, they deserved to give a goal away.
I wonder what their supporters thought!

biltongbek wrote:

LDCPete wrote:Many definitions of cheat Biltong, and completely to suit my own purpose I am going with the following on this occasion.

2. To violate rules deliberately

I believe that covers the thuggish beahviour!

Pete, we are going off topic, but I will humor you as you are the moderator and I am but a mere poster.

Thuggish behaviour under law is to assault and under the law a violent crime.

To cheat is to go outside the law in preventing or robbing someone of their possession.

Now I am not of the legal profession, but here in the good old SA we are simple people, we love our meat, drink, woman and

And I thought you were all vegitarians!!!

The great England team that won the WC were a team of cheats who knew how not to get caught, but as they say...if you don't get caught it's not cheating!

LDCPete wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

LDCPete wrote:Many definitions of cheat Biltong, and completely to suit my own purpose I am going with the following on this occasion.

2. To violate rules deliberately

I believe that covers the thuggish beahviour!

Pete, we are going off topic, but I will humor you as you are the moderator and I am but a mere poster.

Thuggish behaviour under law is to assault and under the law a violent crime.

To cheat is to go outside the law in preventing or robbing someone of their possession.

Now I am not of the legal profession, but here in the good old SA we are simple people, we love our meat, drink, woman and

And I thought you were all vegitarians!!!

We see vegetables merely as the garnish on the plate. Preferably in very small portions, otherwise it doesn't leave space for the Steak, the lamb chop and the boerewors.

Digressing slightly from the native South Africans herbivorous nature, do you guys play Australia or New Zealand next week Biltong?

We play australia first. Have to say it bugs me that we have to face them every time they have hada humiliating loss.

Then we have to put up with their " we better win this one, or our sponsors withdraw and we don't sell any tickets at home"

The only reason that I can see them possibly winning next week is that your guys preparation has seemed a little disjointed with half the players in Rustenberg and the inexperienced squad that went away to Australia. They need to gel back together quickly as a unit otherwise the Aussies could open them up.

Having said that, looking at the SA squad for the remaining 2 games I think they will beat Australia, and it will depend on what sort of side the AB's send over.

Was surprised that Lambie wasn't included for the home games Biltong, think next week would be ideal for him, behind a decent and with an experienced backline outside him.

Pete, PDV is hell bent on taking Morne steyn to the RWC, it seems Butch James might be the first choice and Morne the back up.

Lambie does not seem to feature in his plans, maybe he is lucky enough to get into the squad based on his utility value.

THey have announced the Bok squad for next week, the only real omissions are Brussouw, and Juan Smith and Willem Alberts, it seems they are not yet ready.

Although Brussouw did play 20 or so minutes for he Cheetahs in a currie cup match today and reports say he looked very good.

I saw Butch was in. I think he is a fantastic player, but you need someone else as a front line kicker. Will Francois Steyn play full back?

How is Morne seen by the South African public? I thought he had a very poor season the Bulls and is lucky to have kept his place in the green jersey.

Yes it looks like Francois steyn will be the RWC fullback.

If you are not a Bulls supporter you are not impressed, if you are, they get very sensitive about the criticism he is rightly in my opinion recieving.

He currently has no confidence, his defence is pathetic, and the bloody kicks are driving me nuts.

You were saying earlier that aus might come to win here, if he keeps on kicking those up and unders and ainless kicks down field we will play into the Wallabies strengths. That is exactly what the All Blacks didn't do today.

You don't need me to tell you that Australia have a set of backs that can tear anyone to shreds if you keep giving them the ball.

I just hope for you guys sake someone has ensured that PDV knows this.

Pete the truth is he must know this and should have known this for some time, yet he has persited with it for the last 2 years without success.

I just hope rassie erasmus is making a difference.

The SA squad once again looks formidable and oddly both teams are having to back up poor performances, the SA one rather self induced.

For that reason SA have more to play for here and if the players are well rested this could be another bad night for the Wallabies. I see Deans is back to his 'lessons learned speeches'. I don't know.

I think SA will win due to home advantage and after the recent circus will be out to prove their reasoning behind it all. This is the start of their world cup campaign and they'll want to win the home legs, or at least get the team pattern and combination's a good run.

Oz will do what they do. Try to score through their star 5. They got one exactly that way, the reality is they need those guys to get them to the line.

Oz will be jaded, SA fresh and Oz have a poor record in SA.3/14 since 2000 but they did win that that big scoring one last year in the last seconds and the last at Durban in 08.

Mind you their scrum was much better so perhaps they'll get stronger from that. To be honest I think they'll need to bring Gitau back. I see he played well for Randwick yesterday as if to make a point. Oz will need the experience amongst the young guns even if hes been a little flighty.

SA in the Republic always back Home Win,except maybe All Blacks who have a 43% away record there.
The Squad is presumeably now fit,rested,and raring to go Wallabies,have to
travel and get over a hard game.
Seems the best loosies are missing,Alberts,Broussow,Burger,Juan Smith,no Lambie either.
Franny Steyn has been playing NH style,apart from a big boot I don`t see he offers much,nor sure of his best position.
Butch James has never impressed me but as part of a RWC cup winning squad he must be good.
SA look to be picking a traditional RWC style winning squad.two Bonus points wins in the last two 3Ns matches could give them this years 3Ns,and would put a line in the sand that they are no pushovers come RWC.
Only problem with that,can`t see that squad producing 4 tries in each match.I could see them winning both matches though.

Steyne just looks non committed to me. Last year brought in for 3N and was largely missing in action. All the hallmarks of a travelling salesman who will play where the price is right.
ABs get a rest and go to SA then brissy. Couldnt have asked for a better schedule.

Taylor, I think Steyn is a dolt. You guys looked great today, eh mate? Didn't see it but sounded like a pounding (all allegations of cheating are silly, anyway).

Yep. Huge match.
Carters defence was special. Covered off so many attacks.
Oz just mauled out of the match really. Didn't defend well or take the most of their chances including missing easy goals.

Point now is was Hong Kong the turning of the tide or a one off? Are Oz/ AB's now weaker or stronger? Has this match answered that or not?

I think the main thing learned is shutting down Genia and Cooper, who played the last 20 uninterested, is key. It confirms Oz are largely predictable and will need to find something else, as others will start trying to shut them down as well- starting with SA next week. Then Cooper will get sick of it and fall away/ He seems that type of player. When on a roll, sparks the team, when closed down, goes to sleep.

It also confirms Eden Park as a a jinx for them for next time, as there were some clear jitters out there.

I'd like to say that once again Deans placing all his eggs in one basket- the 5 star squad creating the tries and Elsom as leader- means he's run out of ideas...but I wont. I'd prefer him being seen as the brilliant coach Oz fans believe him to be.

Go Robbie...

Taylorman wrote:


Mind you their scrum was much better so perhaps they'll get stronger from that. To be honest I think they'll need to bring Gitau back. I see he played well for Randwick yesterday as if to make a point. Oz will need the experience amongst the young guns even if hes been a little flighty.

If I only know one thing I know Giteau is not the answer to anything. He is too predictable - oppositions have worked him out. Certainly if fit, I think Barnes at 12 will take some pressure off No 10. McCabe is a hit it up runner which doesnt worry the ABs. Barnes worked very well when he came on replacing Giteau in Hong Kong.

Yeah I meant Gitau for his experience even if just a squad member. Lack of it showed on some last night. O'Connors kicking (his play though was great but after grinding away so hard those penalties were a must) for example and Cooper running out of ideas/ interest end of second half.

Ive never really rated Barnes and in AB matches- he played many of the Deans earlier losses from memory- he wasn't very effective. Mind you, Gitau had goalkicking yips against England as well so...

Things are starting to go too far now !!! I have just finished watching the game and yet again I have watched the AllBlacks get away with countless scores, tries, conversions, penalty goals, some people might just say they are being streetwise but I just don't see it this way, I can turn a blind eye to the odd point but New Zealand go into every game with a mindset to win. Even the all time up his own arris Justin Marshell was commenting on how the AllBlacks today were winning(not his words but more or less) which was quite normal. I wouldn't mind so much but one result against them, e.i the forward pass against France at the last world cup then there is all out war. I only hope the other sides are strong when the world cup comes along or it will be a hard task for anyone who plays them, not that it wouldn't if they did not bend the rules. Que the New Zealanders on here calling for my head for daring to speak the truth, but I must get this off my chest.

and the point of the article is????????

No that's fine PSW , that's the way you see it.

I see that the NH have to raise their game ten fold to compete and I'm from there !!!

It's a parody boys. Calm down.

PARODY.parody...


My mistake I thought it was a rugby site......

Next it'll be another rights and wrongs of the Haka argument..

What other site would you post a thread making fun of the bs threads that have turned up ON THIS SITE since the AB's hiding of Oz about the AB's cheating?

PSW

I am not sure why you have just cut an pasted an already existing article and created a new one exactly the same, even in the name of parody.

In any case I am going to merge the two threads so as not to clog up the board.

lorddowlais

i find it rather sad that someone could sit through 80 minutes of a game where 44 utterly talented rugby players gave their guts and that is all you could get out of it...
New Zealanders know that over the next 2 months we will be questioned,baited,teased,and accused, but please do it on a basis founded on actually playing the game of rugby.......

Welcome to the board monkeythatlivesinyourhead
How did you find us?

Seen I live in your head it wasn't too difficult Y I Man!

Well my last message didn't send but, LDC the Biscuit's thread IS different and not just copy and pasted. And it's the way that it's different which makes the other article look like the great big whinge that it is.

Hang on laurie...

I make it at least 3 threads to 1 with the Wallabies being "questioned, baited, teased and accused" courtesy of GG and Taylorman. Fair enough (if that's the way they see it) but a few of us have had to read those "c*o*c*k*y" kiwi articles too, you know!

I think LordDowlais makes a pertinent point, or several.

I can see why you question it though. Maybe it's simply a case of bad timing (or good intervention if you're an Aussie/SA/NH supporter) and/or it takes some gloss off a very convincing win... which I'm sure you can understand we all need at this dark moment in time.

monkey

I see the subtle difference, illegal actions v means of socring to win a game, however, given the fact that it clearly relates to the original thread then it makes sense to add it to it in order to highlight the whingy nature of the OP.

We could spend all day parodying threads that moan about thingsa on the board and we would just end up with loads of repeat articles and very little debate.

Gotcha LDC!

Linebreaker
I have only been on here 20 minutes and the ist two articles I read were instances of people taunting the New zealanders, no i hadnt read the articles where you say casper and taylorman were giving you a hard time.
youy may be interested to know that from being at the game then watching a tv replay today,I saw a lot of positives for Australia, but people on here arent interested in those sort of discussions just the All Blacks cheat all Blacks cheat All Blacks cheat arguements . and half the time it comes from people from other countries whose own team played in a way that could only be described as inept....

Actually one of those first 2 articles you read was doing the opposite of what you are saying Auckland. It was making fun of the post that started this thread. Paranoid much?

Monkeynut
I definitely didnt see it that way .
Or are you talking about the thread where the Irish werer trying to compare themselves to Australia? Australia played a pretty good game of rugby for 80 minutes I saw a completely different performance from the Irish......

I understand what you're saying, laurie. I agree there were a lot of positives for the Wallabies but they still got trounced convincingly.

I don't like (nor agree) with all those 'cheat' arguments either. The ABs are simply always at the cutting edge in terms of the way they play and as usual - they put their opposition under considerable pressure with their almost flawless techniques at the breakdown. They then piled on the points at will it seemed.

Even if there was a forward pass leading to Sivivatu's try - tough luck Oz I say. The error from the kick off was rightly punished.

I'll reserve comment on other teams until I've seen a few more warm up matches but I think you have made a valid point with regard to one of yesterday's matches at least.