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Post by Driver Mon 08 Aug 2011, 4:25 pm

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:25 am

I think the form of the halfbacks and back 3 papered over how bad the midfield was and Hape in particular. Hope MJ tries a few players post WC.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

I hope MJ goes post World Cup.

For me he is not up to the job. On the field he was fearless, but his selections show no such fearlessness or bravery. He has been in charge for 3 years now, and do we honestly have a better side now than we did in the autumn of 2008? I don't think we do. Where is the progression, where is the ability to identify players who will make the grade, where is the gameplan to suit the players at your disposal???

If MJ and the current coaching set up stay, I can see another 4 years of being on the same overall level as Wales, Ireland and France, but well below the 3N's teams, and frankly, that is just not good enough.
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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:40 am

You changed your mind on Hape pooly. You were a big fan.

I agree with pete that MJ is not the best option. Jake white would have been a great appointment.
JTH was in great form at the end of the season. we seem to lack spark. you really have to question what Brian Smith is doing

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

I was a big fan and defended him a fair bit on the main boards but he's went backwards and not developed his game. Somebody else deserves a shot as Hape is not the answer.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:25 am

Jake White would be a cracking selection if he were allowed to bring in his own coaches.

There really needs to be a reshuffling now. We are consistently in the top 2/3 teams in the world at junior level but this equates to nothing at senior level anymore.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

Sale Sharks appoint New Zealander Sam Tuitupou as their captain for next season.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:57 am

decent appointment. Very experienced player indeed. No other outstanding candidates.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 12:42 pm

can anyone post a link where i can download the france game

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm

You need to join a site Matt, I'll PM details

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:19 pm

Pooly, if you need a good game to watch get the Reds v Crusaders game from 2010 s14. Its good sto see how much some players (Read, Franks, Faainga etc have improved) Also get to watch Peter Hynes who is a class act

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:20 pm

top man pooly all sorted and game downloaded

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:23 pm

Might do that mate when I get back down South. Been watching a bit of old SA and Lions games lately.

It's mad how much the scrum has changed over the last 10-15 years, no binds and the ball is in and out like a bullet. I watch it and just can't make a call on who has the upper hand, so much dodgy play going on.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:24 pm

You've downloaded the game already!!!!! What kind of connection you got down there?

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:30 pm

got the top of the range virgin broadband it is super quick. took less than 15 minutes to dl i reckon

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:34 pm

Jesus, takes me 3hrs on a good run. Only got 2Mb down a phoneline, you'll be 30-50Mb I reckon.

Enjoy the game anyway, hopefully the missus will let me watch it later.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:36 pm

51.4 just ran the u switch broadband speed test.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:13 pm

Damn you lot over there! My home place is just being upgraded to 10mb, 12mb is the fastest you can get down this way!! Erm


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:20 pm

Damn you Matt, do you want a skinny Northern lodger?

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Damn you Matt, do you want a skinny Northern lodger?

You driver's estate agent now?!
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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:30 pm

northerners not allowed in my house!!!

lakafia, trin duc, swarzwski and hari playing well so far

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:27 pm

Just watched the France game. hari,yachvilli, Lakafia and Swaraeski had excellent game.

Poux and POC made massive impact when they came on.

France had a plan for SOB and it definitely worked. he dropped the ball in contact at least 4 times.

Irish scrum got mullered. how buckley is an international is pretty shocking.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:34 pm

Just watching first half now, scrum holding up so far, Ire lineout dire though.

Pallison, Traille and Lakafia playing very well. Hari putting in a good shift too. Swaraeski looks very rusty.

Kearney and Healy playing well for Ire. Cullen and Fitzy arn't. Paddy Wallace is no Int rugby player either. SOB only player shining in Ire backrow but agree France defence great and holding him back well.

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Post by Driver Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:35 pm

prop_lyd wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Damn you Matt, do you want a skinny Northern lodger?

You driver's estate agent now?!

Lol prop

Lakafia is awesome mate obs best player last season
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:39 pm

He looks a real talent Driver, can see him nailing that 8 jersey. Hari played well from BS but not as effective as 8, got to be in team for lineout work though.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:39 pm

Pretty fair assessment Matt.

Ireland have no lineout outside of POC. They were shocking there till he came in.

Ducalcon and Poux at different times gave the Irish scrum a horrible beating. Healy and Ross will steady the ship a bit but will be a weakness at the world cup as always.

Though Hari was very good first half but anonymous 2nd half. The same could be said of alot of the French though. Lakafia went well on debut?... looks a good player but similar to Faletau for Wales not yet fully ready for this level. Cracking prospect though. Expect the French to go with Dus, Quedragao and Harrri during the world cup with Pickles on the bench. Swazerki looked a bit rusty for me. Guirado looked better when he came on

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:48 pm

If Ireland lose Healy, Ross or POC they're in trouble.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:51 pm

POC is the key man. ireland raise their game to such a higher level when hes on the field. For all the talk of captain fantastic BOD, POC is the true Irish leader

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:53 pm

Not on yet. Lakuifa has some serious gas!!!

Think SOB is having a bit of a stormer tbh in a quiet Ireland pack. Kearny really looking good too

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:59 pm

Kearney has gone well in these warm up games so far. Looking pretty good for that FB spot for the world cup. Thought the French somewhat nullified SOB in that match. He was fairly quiet by his usual standards

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:08 pm

Ireland look a different team with POC & Heaslip on, massive players for them.

Guiardo & Poux def improve France scrum, Swaraeski is a good lineout thrower but poor in the scrum. As soon as he goes off France dominate.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:17 pm

i think bringing on poux and ross going off was the key to irelands scrum going wrong

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:24 pm

Ross hasn't gone off yet and France scrum getting on top. I seem to recall you calling Swaraeski "powder puff" in scrum Matt, you're not wrong!

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:33 pm

Swarzeski is not a great scrummager but there lineout is much better with him on,

Servat is the main man for france. Swarzeski looked super fit considering its his first game back.

If servat is out i would play 2 monster props and swarzeski.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:38 pm

I'm a fan of Swaraeski, think he gets a bad rep tbh. Very good throw. France have some v good hookers.

Think Ireland will win next week if they bring out big guns, they dominated 2nd half. Buckley went to LH Matt, he is a dire prop.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Aug 2011, 5:45 pm

Yeah they have some really good hookers. Bruno is quality and nowhere near the french set up.

Buckley went to Loosehead and then to tight head and they bought healy back on.

I think Ireland could win with their big guns.

Interesting how hari and dusatoir switched between open and blind. I like Hari at 6 but prefer him at 8. he did a one handed lineout catch and pass which is so difficult to do. amazing player and one of the most talented people to ever play the game. i love all the little subtle touches and off loads he gets away with

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 15 Aug 2011, 7:51 pm

Juan Smith likely to play for Cheetahs this weekend, didn't see that one coming.

http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=31548

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:08 am

Just watched Wellington vs. manawatu from the weekend. Aaron Cruden was superb. If he was English he would be first choice 10.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:10 am

Totally agree Pete... Hint of biast with me though Whistle
Hes been in cracking form through the Super 15 and has kept it up through the ITM now. Im actually delighted he didnt get called up by the All Blacks Very Happy

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:12 am

He was in cracking form to the end of year and his kicking at goal was good. However there is a huge difference to playing against manawatu and international rugby.

I would take wilko over him any day currently

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:17 am

I really like Cruden but I don't think he's currently better than Flood/Wilko. Hard to judge as Int rugby a step up although S15 is as close as you can get


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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:39 am

Aplogies for no predo's - was at a festival all weekend - am a right mess right now. Boss keeps asking me to do stuff too...furious

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:51 am

Id take Cruden ahead of Flood anyday...
Had a cracking year in the Super 15. 80% kicking, great playmaking and a running threat with ball in hand. Going well playing for Manawatu whom arent particularly the strongest in the ITM either.

Would take Wilko over him of course even Im not that biased but definately a better option then Flood currently.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Tue 16 Aug 2011, 11:43 am

France:

15 Cedric Heymans, 14 Maxime Médard, 13 Aurélien Rougerie, 12 Fabrice Estebanez, 11 Alexis Palisson, 10 David Skrela, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Louise Picamoles, 7 Julien Bonnaire, 6 Fulgence Ouedraogo, 5 Lionel Nallet, 4 Pascale Papé, Nicolas Mas, 2 Dimitri Szarzewski, 1 Jean-Baptiste Poux.

Replacements:16 Guilhem Guirado , 17 Fabien Barcella , 18 Julien Pierre, 19 Raphaël Lakafia, 20 Dimitri Yachvili, 21 David Marty, 22 Vincent Clerc

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Aug 2011, 11:59 am

Good to see Barcella ready to go again. Going to be one hell of a battle in the backrow depending on who ireland name. Be interesting to see how Szarzewski gets on with two monster scrummagers around him. Was half expecting Guirado to get a chance at starting this week.

The depth the french have in all positions is just amazing really!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:02 pm

Will be a cracker of a game, no doubt Barcella will break a finger nail and be out for 4 years

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:06 pm

If hes up against Tony Buckley he wont even have to break a sweat Erm

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:18 pm

I've not seen a TH at Int level crumble like Buckley did on Saturday. Poux is an awsome scrummager but Buckley made him look like Oz du Randt!

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:38 pm

That is one tasty pack. Cant wait to watch it. not sure the french have the balance right in the backrow and that Lakifi needs more game time to get used to internaional rugby.

not sure the back 3 will offer much if it rains either but could be great on a dry clear day

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:44 pm

L Byrne (Clermont Auvergne), L Halfpenny (Cardiff Blues), J Davies (Scarlets), J Roberts (Cardiff Blues), G North (Scarlets); J Hook (Perpignan), T Knoyle (Scarlets); P James (Ospreys), R Hibbard (Ospreys), A Jones (Ospreys), B Davies (Cardiff Blues), A-W Jones (Ospreys), D Lydiate (Newport Gwent Dragons), M Williams (Cardiff Blues), R Jones (Ospreys, captain) Replacements: H Bennett (Ospreys), R Bevington (Ospreys), A Powell (Sale Sharks), J Tipuric (Ospreys), L Williams (Cardiff Blues), S Jones (Scarlets), A Brew (Newport Gwent Dragons).

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:46 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_7105750,00.html


Interesting side. Think some of the Boks could struggle. Playing your first game back against the blacks is pretty hard work

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