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SJE - thing is though if Ashton just tracks, but always scores and is a constant threat then what else does a winger need? They are there to score tries, and him scoring a try by tracking the ball is worth the same points as say Habana running the ball around three people and diving in the corner.

He's a very clever player, you can see how much England missed him in both of the Welsh games, reckon he'd have had a major impact there.

I hope Ben Youngs comes through again, he's had a bit of a flat season for me, he needs to kick on at the WC. Same with Dan Cole.

What's impressed me is how much ball our forwards generated in both warm up games through their power and the young age of most of them, think Corbiserio, Hartley, Lawes, Croft and Wood are all under 25 - Haskell can only be 26 or so. Bring in Dan Cole as well and that's the core of a very strong team for a long time.

If only we could generate quick ball 'sigh'

And Steven did you only make that comment about Slade because you knew that Pooly was away? ;-)

I think hes a quality international winger Chris mate and really suits England but world class no. He may suit our current style of play well but that doesnt make him world class. Tommy Bowe is a fantastic tracker and great line runner but is truly world class and would suit England down to the ground. Hosea Gear, Cory Jane are both exceptional wingers and world class on their day. Better then Ashton overall for me but wouldnt suit our style of play to well. Does that mean Ashton is better?

I think i would rather have Ashton than Bowe if he continues his rise..

Ashton for me does tracks unlike anyone else and as a finisher i cannot think of a better one in world rugby.

I think Ashton will become world class and has that unique ability to score. More so than gear, Bowe and anyone else.

Ashton needs to polish his defence and his kicking but he has a unique ability.

personally my favourite wing in the world is guildford as he has more playmaking skills to go with his great work and tracking.:Look at how many tries guildford and bowe create

Chris

The amount of stick Pooly gives my fly half I can say whatever I want about Slade!!!

Haha Steve!

I hear the earthquake in new York this afternoon was caused by pooly after reading the slade and Joc comments on here. Be afraid he can cause natural disasters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/rugby_union/14640401.stm

Sa team no surprises bar louw being taken. I get AJ for wc get in

So that's none of my players left at home by their national teams

Jokes on you Pete

Do people think playing Oliver/Waldouck with Allen is stronger?

Oliver much better. What has waldouck ever done. Oliver runs good hard lines but let down by hands.

"If he stays fit they have a great chance of winning it obviously, but if he gets injured they are truly screwed. Slade is really a very average 10 at the international level when I've seen him."

"JOC isn't a dangerous winger for my money. A good winger but I don't see him as dangerous."

Pooly is always watching..........

Slade has played 2 games at FH for NZ, judge him after 10. Look how long it's too TDuc, Flood, Sexton to become settled. Slade has the lot it's just settling him in.

I don't think the JOC dig is worth the rise lol.

You're going to get it when I get back Steven!

InTheFastLane wrote:Do people think playing Oliver/Waldouck with Allen is stronger?

Allen has been excellent over the past 12 months, but both of the other two could be seen as weaknesses. Waldouck has been in and out and needs a run of games to show that he can cut it at the top level, and Olivier was terrible this season for the Bulls. As Mat said, awful hands, can't actually remember seeing him throw a single decent pass this season, and he got walked over in defence on countless occasions as well.

It's a toss up for me.

For me Oliver is a world cup winger and usually is solid in defence but with zero hands.

He has struggled this year but then so have the bulls and playing outside of Steyn this season would not have helped.

Most seasons the bulls stuff everyone upfront and the backs have an easy ride. This season with Greyling and Kruger playing they have had to deal with poor quality ball. You learn a lot more about a player when they have to deal with bad ball.

Allen is a very very good player. Oliver is probably better at 12 where waldouck is more a 13

SBW absolutely terrorised Oliver this season but I didnt see much else of him. Generally the is runs hard but as Matt said is let down by his hands. With a creative 10 and 13 outside him, he can be useful.

Waldouck is out injured for a few months I think - so that could make a difference - he hasnt featured in pre-season at all.

People see that Haskell is an injury doubt for the WC?

Chaps.


If a player is called up for the world cup due to injury does it mean that we can then not play him in this game??

I am thinking that it is a yes but want to make sure. I have quite a few players on standby so assessing my options

Mat - think you make a good point there. I think we should also agree that if a player returns home from the WC early that means we still cant play them until that team is out of the WC e.g. if Sheridan gets hurt in first game, then I would wait until England return from WC before I played him.

Dave Wilson must have impressed the Englad management, why's he so unliked on here? Surprised so few teams have taken 5 props - if one gets injured before a game and another gets injured during a game then they would be in a lot of troube for other games!

Personally if a player is called up due to injury then no you cant play him. He is away on international duty. The actually injured player will be available again though. Thats the way it works with the other international periods and dont see why it has to change now

dammit_chris wrote:I think we should also agree that if a player returns home from the WC early that means we still cant play them until that team is out of the WC e.g. if Sheridan gets hurt in first game, then I would wait until England return from WC before I played him.

Eh?!?

Wouldn't be in favour of that at all.

It has to work both ways. If a player gets called up by injury then he can't play, but the other way round if a player comes home bu injury then he can.

I dont think it should for a WC - if a player is in the squad then for me he should be in the squad for the duration of the tournament - if you get injured out there then you wont be coming back and play for your club the same week.

pooly

JOC isn't a dangerous winger in the way that Shane or Jason was, andnthe way Gear and Ioane are.

I'm not worried what JOC is going to do in 5 m of space outwide and tbh I'm glad he is getting the ball there rather than in centre field. I am questioning JOC's dangerousness with ball in hand as a winger not as a rugby player in general.

But the same thing happens 6 nations and autumn time. If a player is named in a side but then withdraws through injury he has been available for selection and his replacement has not to date in this game.

It should stay that way. No need to be changing how the game is run just for the world cup. If someone is injured and sent home he should be available for selection here while his replacement at the world cup should not. Whats the difference between a player being injured now and missing the world cup and a player getting injured at the world cup and being sent home? Would be unfair for managers to gain advantages from the 1st scenario and then others not to gain from the 2nd

Arent we meant to be trying to keep the game realistic? Personally probably wouldnt rate players who are sent home from WC then if that's the case and presume they are playing with a niggling injury, which has sent them home from the WC.

Steven, think you summed that up well on JOC - the talent that guy has got is completely wasted on the wing - he has to be moved into midfield. He could destroy teams on his own in the middle!

see what your saying there Chris and have to say I agree.

But then your bringing the whole real life injury thing back again. Should we be rating players who have been injured and missed the world cup? We saw from the last discussion what a can of worms that is opening up Chris

I don't think a player selected should be allowed to play untill his team is knocked out. What happens if we have a scenario similar to Greenwood in 2003. He came back and missed 2 games and then went back out. We mighten know for sure the reasons for players coming home

That has always been my argument against using real life injuries in the game Steve. We will not always know the real reasons why players miss games and whether they are injured or not.

Greenwood left to see his wife because of difficulties with her pregnancy. Was never replaced in the squad. Once a player is replaced they can't come back.

What Chris was asking for was that if a player is replaced due to injury he cant be played here in the game but his replacement at the world cup can be (I assume Chris has quite a few players on stand by lists!). Where is the fairness in that? Not pretty realistic either...

Real life injuries unless long term have never been an issue before and to bring it in now opens up alot of potential problems as previously discussed. If someone gets lucky with an injury at the world cup and gets a player back they should be allowed to play them without remification. Its just luck of the draw. Has happened previously through 6 Nations and Autumn internationals and dont see why it should be changed now. It may not even happen anyway!

I agree with what Steve says, anyone selected in the squad shouldnt be allowed to play until their team are knocked out.

dont think chris was asking for that johnny, think he means anyone selected shouldnt be able to play, regardless of whether its a late call up or not.

Personally the simplest way fo doing it as far as I can see, and the way I would do it if I was still running the game would be this.

1. All players named in squads now are unavailable in this squad until their country is knocked out of the tournament.
2. If a player currently in a squad is injured and returns home they remain unable to play in this game until their country is knocked out.
3. Any player called up as an injury replacement to the World Cup becomes unavailable in tis game until his country is knocked out.

Keeps things simple. There is no confusion about who is available and who is not and everyone knows where they stand.

Yeah apologies. Your right Nick completly missread you Chris looking back on it now sorry have one on me

Think Pete has it the fairest way there for everyone

SJE - I haven't looked on the stand by list, and if you read above you will see I agree with what Mat said on this too. So not really sure what the point is you are trying to make here?

Think that we have to see that the WC is in NZ and completely different to the 6Nations or the AI's where only a team of 22 is available for a match day squad and the other 8 players are released to travel short distances back to their clubs.

WC is completely different, the 30 man squad is potentially away for 7 weeks.

Personally I think that if a player is in the 30 then they shouldnt be available to any team for the duration that national team is in the competition, or if they are injured and come home have a few weeks to recover and then actually play for their team in real life.

If a player then gets called up to the WC, then why not just say he has gone there for emergency cover and we cant pick them either.

Not really sure why that is causing so much fuss?

Also what is the rules for predicitions this year - do they have to take place on a Friday? Just noticed a bit last year that if they were allowed to carry over to the Sat. or Sun. then it meant that a televised match could change the result of a game

Good solution Pete, completely agree with you there

(btw - in the small print can you add that if Simpson or Phillips get injured then I am allowed to play them...so should have bought a no9. in the last foreigns!)

See my last comment Chris

Driver can change these as he sees fit but would say based on previous seasons rules:

Teamsheets to be in by close of play (midnight) Thurssday
Late teamsheets will not be accepted and will result in a default victory (strictly held to)
Predictions will be open early Friday morning (I always have the time to do so on Friday's )

Would say predictions should be allowed through Friday and Saturday to give everyone plenty of time to get them in but predictions closed by Saturday evening? Maybe 5/6ish. Has to be some set cut of time due to the new predicting bonus. Cant have predictions open till Monday one week and Saturday another. Very unfair.

I will then get results in sometime Saturday evening or Sunday day time

Also on predection reasonings I would say if your looking for your full bonus, predictions should be at least to a similar length to Lukes or Chris's last week. A couple of lines to give a general feel of the game and were a side may need to improve to get winning predictions . Dont think one line predictions are enough i.e. I see X stronger in the pack and with y in the backs they will pick up the win.

Has anyone heard from driver at all, he doesn't seem to be on much?

His profile says he logged on just over an hour ago.

Yeah I see that luke, he's offline again now though.

"I'm not worried what JOC is going to do in 5 m of space outwide and tbh I'm glad he is getting the ball there rather than in centre field. I am questioning JOC's dangerousness with ball in hand as a winger not as a rugby player in general."

Yea JOC isn't dangerous as a winger at all.........?!?!?!

Go away and enjoy your holiday pooly!

Have to defend my players when people talk rubbish Nick! Lol, 5 mins away from the missus is heaven

HK Joe Duffey (England)
PR Craig Mitchell (TH) (Wales)
PR Oliver Tomaszczyk (TH)(England)
PR Juan Gomez (TH) (Argentina)
PR Ben Alexander (LH/TH) (Austrailia)
PR Rodrigo Roncero (LH) (Argentina)
LK Ed Slater (England)
CE Dan Hipkiss (England)
CE Luke McAlister (New Zealand)
WG Luke Fitzgerald (Ireland)
WG Miles Benjamin (England)
WG Riki Sheriff (England)
WG Topsy Ojo (England)

All available, English need similar English involved

I'm about mate , had some terrible news in the last two days about work literally a hour after they said I had been took on full time they offered the role to someone else with a lot more experience than me so as of friday next week I'm back on the rock and role

I'm about for a cheeky deal before I go and attempt to coach football lol

Sorry to hear Driver mate

Anybody heard from Ary recently?

Anybody around to do a deal?

Havnt heard from arry for a while

Didn't Arry say he was away for a week?