Could/should the Wales v England game be abandoned?

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Considering the strain that the law enforcement and emergency agencies are under in a seemingly viral and unprecedented series of civil insurrections, if the rioting and looting doesn't stop by Wednesday, should the MS game go on on Saturday?

In the big scheme of things sporting occasions come well down the list of priorities. And all the boys in blue will be on stand-by presumably nationally. And policing any sporting event seems a bit of a questionable luxury.

Why has tear gas not been mentioned already???????????

Because welshjohn wants everyone shot instead

I think we should use bulldozers with electrified buckets, with snakes in the buckets and wasps in the mouths of the snakes. That'll learn 'em. Froth, froth...



On a serious point tear gas is useless, people just throw it back at the lines, seen it many times.

I personally think the police are hindered by politically correct laws. The rioters are allowed to cause mayhem because the police aren't allowed to use sufficient force to prevent destruction.

I hope the rugby isn't ruined by these riotings and I am sure if it is there will be a lot of angry Welsh fans ready to lynch the rioters if it does.

Pete that's going a little too far.

Taser guns are fine though. Shock all the rioters.

screamingaddabs wrote:Because welshjohn wants everyone shot instead

Ohhh well done lad, aching to get that out huh I make no secret that I am disgusted by the scum invading the streets of the UK and the pathetic left wing views of the politically correct idiots who do not allow the Police to carry out their job.

I do not believe that the innocent should be traumatised for one hour never mind days of it. If it requires one or two idiots to end up on a slab to prevent misery being placed on one innocent party then so be it.

If you want to live in fear all your days because of the chav's and other filth then thats your right.

When scum like this disrupt a game of rugby that 75,000 people will attend and millions will want to watch on TV then I think you have all your priorities wrong.

Kiwireddevil wrote:
All, just a reminder to keep this one specific to the rugby - there's already a thread https://www.606v2.com/t11078p400-why-not-shoot-sight#354088 for general debate on the riots

Thanks Kiwi

beshocked, when I say shooting I mean using live ammunition, as some have advocated. My point is that there are several steps that could be taken, including water cannon, rubber bullets and tasers, that could be considered. These are likely to bring things under control. No one needs to be shot.

Sorry Kiwi, I posted that before I read yours. I'll delete it if you want.

luckless pedestrian we agree then. I wouldn't use live ammunition just yet.

Tasers all the way as I keep saying.

Anyway I really hope the rioters don't ruin the rugby. Personally I think the game will go ahead.

Sorry Kiwi, just get's a trifle annoying when people put words in your mouth and argue against points you are not making whilst claiming that you are making them...

As for the rugby, I very much doubt it'll be cancelled. There is a chance that the riots could spread to Cardiff but I doubt they will. On top of this, the cricket is going ahead in Birmingham where they have had riots. Hopefully this will be a good litmus test to see if sports fixtures get affected and hopefully the answer will be that they do not.

I imagine it will. No signs of anything serious happening in Cardiff.

luckless_pedestrian wrote:beshocked, when I say shooting I mean using live ammunition, as some have advocated. My point is that there are several steps that could be taken, including water cannon, rubber bullets and tasers, that could be considered. These are likely to bring things under control. No one needs to be shot.

Social workers with throws and scatter cusions too I imagine

Can we please keep this thread relevant to developments that may affect rugby matches?

Kiwi is right https://www.606v2.com/t11078p400-why-not-shoot-sight#354088 is the correct place to to discuss general solutions.

It's a fine difference, but general discussions about how the rioters should be handled should be managed are no longer relevant here unless there is a development which changes the current rugby situation.

Portnoy wrote:Can we please keep this thread relevant to developments that may affect rugby matches?

Kiwi is right https://www.606v2.com/t11078p400-why-not-shoot-sight#354088 is the correct place to to discuss general solutions.

It's a fine difference, but general discussions about how the rioters should be handled should be managed are no longer relevant here unless there is a development which changes the current rugby situation.

Agree Portnoy. Good man.

It sounds like the cricket is going fine. I suppose the real questions will be at about 7 when they finish.

Neither cricket nor rugby require a large police presence so I don't think riots elsewhere will affect the game.

Is anyone else here going to the game (I am)? Does anyone think that some people may not go because of fears of riots?

screamingaddabs wrote:It sounds like the cricket is going fine. I suppose the real questions will be at about 7 when they finish.

Neither cricket nor rugby require a large police presence so I don't think riots elsewhere will affect the game.

Is anyone else here going to the game (I am)? Does anyone think that some people may not go because of fears of riots?

I hope it is just the opposite, mate. To me it is important to go despite the riots. This sends an important message to potential future instigators and to the country at large that we will not allow this to ruin or impact our behaviour. And, as many people have said, Rugby requires a relatively small police presence. And considering the current situation, I believe the traditional Rugby amity amongst supporters would be heightened further and a peaceful and friendly night will occur.

doctor_grey wrote:

screamingaddabs wrote:It sounds like the cricket is going fine. I suppose the real questions will be at about 7 when they finish.

Neither cricket nor rugby require a large police presence so I don't think riots elsewhere will affect the game.

Is anyone else here going to the game (I am)? Does anyone think that some people may not go because of fears of riots?

I hope it is just the opposite, mate. To me it is important to go despite the riots. This sends an important message to potential future instigators and to the country at large that we will not allow this to ruin or impact our behaviour. And, as many people have said, Rugby requires a relatively small police presence. And considering the current situation, I believe the traditional Rugby amity amongst supporters would be heightened further and a peaceful and friendly night will occur.

Me too. I'll definitely be going. I don't think the rioters are trying to stop us living our lives how we want (I doubt they have any real ideals to be honest) but I certainly agree that I'm not going to let it affect how I spend my time. I hope you're right about the rugby amity too, only the second time I've been to Cardiff, and the first time when there's been a Wales England game (it was Italy Wales last time and England France on the telly).

I hope the football season starts up again. Its something that targets the masses inclduing the rioters.

red_stag wrote:I hope the football season starts up again. Its something that targets the masses inclduing the rioters.

Unfortunately we then have to put up with football.

It's already started up here. In fact Rangers were apparently knocked out of some cup or other a week ago. Maybe that's why they didn't riot in Glasgow?

Considering the strain that the law enforcement and emergency agencies are under in a seemingly viral and unprecedented series of civil insurrections, if the rioting and looting doesn't stop by Wednesday, should the MS game go on on Saturday?

Cracking question. The answer in a nutshell - yes. This is Wales and it is not football. The demographic of the fans and the places they frequent is not likely to increase the risk at all compared with any other major rugby played in Cardiff.

Here's hoping for a peaceful evening.

No yobs thank you. Especially in Cardiff.

If any of these meatheads turn up at the MS to disrupt the match - God it doesn't bear thinking about as to what will happen to them - forget about police presence, an angry mob of rugby followers would not be a pretty sight.

2 guys arrested for trying to incite violence in Cardiff via social network according to the BBC News website. SW Police intercepted and arrested them immediately......well done.

The Wales Vs Australia football game went ahead, so I see no reason why the rugby won't. Though to be fair only 6,373 fans turned up for the game, I wasn't even aware Wales were playing which probably tells it's own story though.

All reminds me of the Brixton Riots in the eighties. terrible stuff

inequality and police brutality.

it comes with tory govt which increase the inequality in britain every term they serve.

Lets hope its over soon.


Please dont let it cancel the rugby, we dont have so much of a problem in wales

The rugby will go ahead. Rugby fans tend to police themselves and tell the yobs to off. I don't think you can blame the tories mm. The police need to take the majority of it. Cocking up the op when the man was shot dead and the dismal approach and stand off on 3 nights. Just seems the popular choice to blame the tory gov everytime it kicks off.

maestegmafia wrote:All reminds me of the Brixton Riots in the eighties. terrible stuff

inequality and police brutality.

it comes with tory govt which increase the inequality in britain every term they serve.

Lets hope its over soon.


Please dont let it cancel the rugby, we dont have so much of a problem in wales

I am as Socialist as you can get, but I always worry about the "Police Brutality" bit, it's tarring every copper withthe same brush. In ever profession you will get a bad lot. Let's drop it.

Wales losing 2-1 in wendyball to the Aussies! and apparently lower that the Faroe Islands in the table.

Welsh rugby has never been in a better place to regain it's rightful place in Wales although it will always be our National game.

Never any need to call the game off, as has ben said, pity the poor oh dear who tried to disrupt the game in the MS.

Although the fans are well behaved, the police are needed to make sure everyone arrives and leaves the stadium safely. 66,000 people is alot to be in one place at the same time and do require police.

I hope the game isnt cancelled, but it depends if there is enough police resources by the weekend.

Does anyone have an idea the number of police required for a typical sell out rugby game at the MS?

Its the drain on police resources which would be the concern, so only if the answer to the question above is a lot would the game be in any doubt.

Unfortunately these yobs are a little more intelligent than we give them credit for, they've been hitting soft targets, a stadium full of 70,000 people doesn't fit that bill. So talk of an angry mob of rugby fans beating them down, though it sounds appealing, ain't gonna happen.

The cricket requires about the same police presence for a little bit longer I reckon and that is going fine in Birmingham where they have had riots a few days ago. Should be fine in Cardiff. The rugby crowd will be out in the centre of town on the beers afterwards, so I think that is where the added protection for shop keepers comes in. I can't see rugby fans letting the rioters continue unabated. To be honest though, this probably won't even be an issue as I don't think they will try to riot at all in Cardiff.