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Post by Cymroglan Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:00 pm

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Here we go then.

WALES:
James Hook; George North, Jonathan Davies, Jamie Roberts, Shane Williams, Rhys Priestland, Mike Phillips; Paul James, Huw Bennett, Adam Jones, Luke Charteris, Alun Wyn Jones, Dan Lydiate, Sam Warburton (C), Toby Faletau
REPLACEMENTS: Lloyd Burns, Ryan Bevington, Bradley Davies, Andy Powell, Tavis Knoyle, Scott Williams, Leigh Halfpenny

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Post by RubyGuby Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:40 pm

Throwing in aside Bennett can more than hold his own in the front row and James is no weak link - Wales have a solid front row IMO - Not so sure about the back 5:thumbsup:

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Post by formerly known as Sam Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:49 pm

The second row don't impress much but the Welsh flankers are very good indeed. Lydiate and Warburton have huge work rates and will be a real thorn in South Africas side, of that I have no doubt. James is a decent loosehead but nothing great and I don't really rate Bennet at all, I think Adam Jones makes two decent but rather average players look better than they are.

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Post by wales606 Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:50 pm

Bennett isnt the best scrummager (Hibbard and Rees are far better) - But Jones and James are excellent - The Ospreys front row has caused a lot of damage when on form

Also, Bevington bested Carl Hayman in the HC - so they have a good developement of props at the O's.
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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:52 pm

As long as we win our own ball I.m sure our big backline will put it to good use.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:06 pm

I think James is good and has played very well but this is the SA front row we're talking about - it is a step up and he may struggle, particularly as SA have the better 2nd row and as has been said above Bennett is not as good a scrummager as Rees or Hibbert.

If we were talking about a Front Row or A Jones, Rees and James with a 2nd row of an inform B Davies and AWJ then I'd be a lot more confident, but I don't think we'll get near parity as it stands. But I just hope we get enough to cause damage and our defence holds up

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:16 pm

I think we should be okay in the scrums - we won't dominate, but if we get the ball away quickly we should be okay. My concern is the lineout.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:33 pm

i wasn't even thinking about that, now that is a worry...

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Post by RubyGuby Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:35 pm

And my concern is the bench - Burns! Bevington! Powell - Strength in depth my Arse thumbsup

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:53 pm

To be fair Rees and Hibbert are injured and Owens (who should be infront of Bennett) hasn't had game time because of injury. Bevington will be better, but shame he hadn't played Efion more or some other players - but Powell??? I mean why? Some people say because he'll give experience and aggression, but he never uses his size and never uses his experience either, he just gives stupid penalties away and runs straight for contact. at least the backs on the bench offer a bit more (and we've got Bradley on the bench)

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Post by pontylad Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:55 pm

On the Byrne inclusion in the squad he is clearly short of form and confidence but all the other options are injured and he got there by default, Halfpenny might have been a good alternative at full back but again he is very short of game time due to injury and starting him against the Boks would have been risky.

Looking at the above scenario the choice was Hook or Priestland at FB , arguments either way on that but Gatland's choice is logical as Hook seems to perform best at OH when being switched there in the last 20 mins in which case Halfpenny will then get his chance . I just hope that Hook has been appointed the place kicking duties.

Charteris one hopes will help in the lineout (yet to be seen this really ) but played well against England .

On no 8 choice again injury has forced this as I wouldn't pick Powell to start. Gatland said in his Western Mail question session that DElve was the preferred choice not Powell when Ryan Jones dropped out of the Argentina game but wasn't picked for "reasons I will not go into " . Anyone know the reasons.

Looks like a good team for the 2015 World Cup up against a very experienced SA team . Will still be supporting them of course but more in hope than expectation.

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Post by Messymesina Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:11 pm

I noted that Delve comment Pontylad. I don't think he was fully fit and didn't he play the night before against Bath?
No. 8 is my biggest concern, Faletau looks ponderous at the back of the scrum and an easy target for the Saffer back row. He looks a work in progress to me and I would have liked to have seen an old head in Ryan (and then Delve) with our young dynamic flankers.

After four years of planning, it seems a mightily inexperienced team.

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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:12 pm

Obviously I knew that Charteris was tall but I'm surprised he is over 20st.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:25 pm

Interesting point on Delve - must be the fact that he plays abroad and Gats has a chip on his shoulder about it, or that there's a personality clash.

Either that or Gats is jealous because Delve made a move for Gats fav Bennett and they got a bit fresh!

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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:28 pm

It's only second hand news but I have heard Delve can be disruptive in training.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:35 pm

I've only heard rumour but heard that Gats likes Yes men, like Bennett, S Jones and R Jones, and Delve and Peel gave their opinions and as a result Gats just cut them off from the squad.

But again as I say this is 3rd hand gossip.

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Post by Shifty Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:12 pm

Everyone in Wales is getting excited but we always do when Wales play. Lets be honest Wales have only ever beaten South Africa once, and we won't beat them, lets hope for few injuries and not to be hammered.
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Post by welshy824 Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:23 pm

i know everyone including alot of welsh fans have now written us off but think about it, S.A are known for tactical kicking so having 3 of your biggest threats in the back three too counter? also about priestland and toby if your good enough you are good enough- am not sure what to expect now but i think they could surprise (maybe not win) but surprise the boks all the same

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Post by Shifty Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:55 pm

Nothing will be a suprise in this group, Wales losing to one or both the island teams. Even Wales beating South Africa wouldn't be a total shock, but I think Wales won't beat South Africa, we don't have a line out, and South Africas defence is too strong.
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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:02 pm

Alyn I did not think it looked strong against NZ it was only the Blacks poor handling that cost them the game,, the Blacks broke through several times.

But obviously we will have to play at our very best.

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Post by Bullsbok Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:17 pm

Of course cymro ,it had nothing to do with the springbok scramble defence or brussow's dominance at the break down or even south africa just being better on the day
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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:22 pm

Bullsbok no in my opinion it was down to the Blacks unusual poor handling.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:10 pm

Cymro - I think the point is that the AB's play at a lot higher intensity than us, and can we pressurize SA enough to make their defence crack like it did against the AB's?

Thats a big question, as we need to do it while at the same time keeping our defence tight, dealing with their aerial bombardments (sorry Billong, I know you can run it) and trying to get/keep possession at the set piece.

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Post by Cymroglan Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:17 pm

As I said before we will need to play to the best of our ability. We have some big lads in our backs who should cause SA problems.

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Post by Dominic Dicoco Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:11 am

Toby is the player I am worried about. He seemed nervous in the warm up games and made mistakes. This is a massive occasion, but I pray we see the best out of him.

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Post by wales606 Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:13 am

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Post by blackcanelion Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:30 am

I'm not sure if it's been discussed here yet. The weather is cold, wet and windy. I think it's going to be a torrid forward game at night. Expect a fair bit of kicking.

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Post by Cymroglan Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:31 am

Normal Welsh weather then

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Post by Cymroglan Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:26 pm

So what's the latest weather forecast for tomorrow ?

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Post by RuckingFlanker86 Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:25 pm

I don't know why everyone thinks Charteris is a lineout specialist, just because he's so tall. Scott Morgan is the main lineout operator at the Dragons with Sidoli, we use Charteris more as a lifter which is what Wales should do.

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Post by Cymroglan Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:41 pm

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/matches/match=10927/index.html

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Post by Taylorman Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:49 pm

Cymroglan wrote:So what's the latest weather forecast for tomorrow ?

Looking outside its calm and cloudy. Prospect is for rain but that hasnt appeared yet. Won't get a lot worse between now and then unless the rain comes on quicker than usual. VERY odd time for a test match for us here. Sunday night at 8.30 the weekends usually over and we're doing our 'if only' posts by that time...

Nice to have something different... Very Happy

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:57 pm

taylorman
Are you going? I reckon out of the neutral games ) non New Zealand) this is going to be a cracker...
This afternoon im off to watch the Italians get a floggin from the Convicts.

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Post by Cymroglan Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:00 pm

Taylorman cheers buddy.

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Post by Cymroglan Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:06 pm

The Welsh players play their league matches in the evenings so it will be nothing new to them.

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Post by Taylorman Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:34 pm

Hi ya Laurie, I'm going to the NZ Canada and France Tonga matches here in the double header last weekend and the Wales Namibia one in New Plymouth so far.

Mainly because I've never been to New Plymouth and I thought that would be a good time to go there.

I could have got tickets Friday for tonights but turned them down in the end. Probably should have now.

Enjoy today and make sure Genia and Cooper get off the field safely Whistle

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Post by aucklandlaurie Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:46 pm

taylorman
that NZ v Canada game is quite unique,isnt it the first ABs game in nz for 20 years that is being played in daylight?
I went to eden park on friday night, talk about big night out,then this arvo off to watch Italy v Aus, next weekend im going to Aus v ireland, then the Final.
And dont worry,genia and Cooper will be nice and safe in my care.

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Post by emack2 Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:56 pm

Looking forward to it,two very good teams,suspect it will be decided by penalty goals ,not tries but we can hope.Neutral on this one just hope we see some back play from the Boks too.

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Post by Cymroglan Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:33 am

Weather still the same TM ?

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Post by Taylorman Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:30 am

Sorry. Answered on another tbread.
Raining now.
The whole countrys wet now!
Anthems are done. Lets get it on!

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Post by pontylad Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:48 pm

Just looking at my post above hoping that Hook is appointed to take the place kicks Whistle not that I blame him I don't but this was the kiss of death I think.

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Post by RubyGuby Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:41 pm

Ponty!! It's your fault you twxx!

In all honesty Hooks kicking has been very good up until that match - I'm just surprised by how much he missed that last kick, it didn't even threaten the posts. Cracking game though thumbsup

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Post by Guest Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:12 pm

I was actually surprised how well he did kick in that match, when you take into account how all the other kickers had fared so far this wc! They're all missing by a long way!

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