Bellew tries to headbutt the Clev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xTVFJdNKos&feature=related

Good job it didnt connect or Bellew would of been on an ABH charge and no fight


Regards

Steffan

Wasn't a headbutt but interesting all the same, good to see Clev get in his face a bit, just showing him he's not intimidated.

Is Bellew permanently on his period?

At least the needle seems to be genuine here, not some contrived rubbish that we see a lot of the time.

I think all this plays right into Bellews hands. He wants to wind up Cleverly because he knows once he loses his temper he forgets his boxing and trades. Bellew on the other hand showed composure and calmness when fighting McKenzie who had accused him of being on drugs and tried to wind him up.

i think cleverly wins a boxing match and a brawl so either way shouldnt be that bothered

Much ado about nothing.

Still not sure why McKenzie II is being talked up. Did he show calmness n composure or was he just hesitant to engage with someone who'd flattened him twice before when he last tried that??

i always thought a headbutt was just the way scousers said hello anyways?

funny

Don't think I've ever hoped more in my life to see someone get knocked out. Yes, I'll admit bias and I'm saying it all the same.

me to knowsit, i dont think there has ever been a less deserving world title fight opponent than bellew, he's exciting yes (sometimes) but worlds away from a title shot. take away the mckensie fights and bellew's last 3 opponents records are 8-1-0, 4-0-0 and 9-21-2. i know ive brought that up before, but honestly WHY THE HELL IS HE ALLOWED NEAR CLEVERLY?

TopHat24/7 wrote:Much ado about nothing.

Still not sure why McKenzie II is being talked up. Did he show calmness n composure or was he just hesitant to engage with someone who'd flattened him twice before when he last tried that??

Exactly yet in bellews mind he gave a boxing masterclass.

I feel sadly that in this world of 24/7 media like sky sports, twitter and certain boxing forums boxers who put themselves over better on these mediams seem to get more chances then more deserving boxers who dont.

How on earth bellew got a title fight is a joke

paul12342 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Much ado about nothing.

Still not sure why McKenzie II is being talked up. Did he show calmness n composure or was he just hesitant to engage with someone who'd flattened him twice before when he last tried that??

Exactly yet in bellews mind he gave a boxing masterclass.


I feel sadly that in this world of 24/7 media like sky sports, twitter and certain boxing forums boxers who put themselves over better on these mediams seem to get more chances then more deserving boxers who dont.

How on earth bellew got a title fight is a joke

At first i thought that said Pauline and was a little shocked by the sensible post, Welcome Paul.

Everyone seems pretty adamant Bellew doesn't deserve a shot at a World title which I agree with but lets face it Cleverly is a World champion and he's never faced a top class boxer so it makes sense.

Cleverly would get found wanting against the top 4 or 5 at the weight so don't expect to see him in with any soon. The new Joe calzaghe!

That wasn't a headbutt... that was a involuntary reaction to Bellews bum dropping from realising Clev will smash him to pieces.

I hope Bellew's punch accuracy is better that his headbutt accuracy. He was less than 1mm away from Cleverly and he missed.

Maybe Bellow is slightly deaf and wanted to get closer in case Cleverly wanted to whisper sweet nothings to him..

Much ado about nothing really, but I think we all wanna see a big tearup in this one so a bit more needle is good.

prettyboykev wrote:
Cleverly would get found wanting against the top 4 or 5 at the weight so don't expect to see him in with any soon. The new Joe calzaghe!

Funny I never realised Calzaghe was found out against any top 5.

I think Cleverly needs to sort out his barnet and have a shave. He looks like he's auditioning for X Factor .

Super D Boon wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:
Cleverly would get found wanting against the top 4 or 5 at the weight so don't expect to see him in with any soon. The new Joe calzaghe!

Funny I never realised Calzaghe was found out against any top 5.

He purposely avoided them to protect his precious 0.

prettyboykev wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:
Cleverly would get found wanting against the top 4 or 5 at the weight so don't expect to see him in with any soon. The new Joe calzaghe!

Funny I never realised Calzaghe was found out against any top 5.

He purposely avoided them to protect his precious 0.

You're right, Glenn Catley, Franki Liles, Sven Ottke, MArkus Beyer, Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer, Erik Lucas etc....all avoided by JC because they were too good for him!

Wait, didn't he beat a couple of those?

Super D Boon wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:
Cleverly would get found wanting against the top 4 or 5 at the weight so don't expect to see him in with any soon. The new Joe calzaghe!

Funny I never realised Calzaghe was found out against any top 5.

He purposely avoided them to protect his precious 0.

You're right, Glenn Catley, Franki Liles, Sven Ottke, MArkus Beyer, Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer, Erik Lucas etc....all avoided by JC because they were too good for him!

Wait, didn't he beat a couple of those?

Are you trying to say Calzaghe took on the best? Why did he not face Jones until he was past it?

Jones was at light heavy when JC was at super middle. I won't defend JC's decision to fight Jones at all as I thought he should have taken Dawson for his last fight for a bonafida world title but there we are.

I'd say Clev has made good organised progress through the ranks. He will have cleaned up domestically if he beats Bellew on top of Oakey and McIntosh and has made considerable inroads in Europe with wins over Brancalion, Mohammedi and Murat. Bellew has yet to make ground on either of these fronts.

Who would be classified as the top 4 or 5 of the weight anyhow? Some of the so-called top names have really not done much more than Clev. The only three names I'd class as elite in the division would be Hopkins, Pascal and Dawson.

Super D Boon wrote:Jones was at light heavy when JC was at super middle. I won't defend JC's decision to fight Jones at all as I thought he should have taken Dawson for his last fight for a bonafida world title but there we are.

Calzaghe had no desire to test himself he was quite happy feeding off the at times the shameful opponents Warren served up to him. I can see the same happening with Cleverly although he doesn't have the talent Joe had so it won't be as much of a shame.

prettyboykev wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Jones was at light heavy when JC was at super middle. I won't defend JC's decision to fight Jones at all as I thought he should have taken Dawson for his last fight for a bonafida world title but there we are.

Calzaghe had no desire to test himself he was quite happy feeding off the at times the shameful opponents Warren served up to him. I can see the same happening with Cleverly although he doesn't have the talent Joe had so it won't be as much of a shame.

Don't be silly. Calzaghe proved himself the best....eventually. Not enough quality wins though but he does not care about that. He was on striclty come dancing earlier I did not wish to see it but it was already on the TV. He is more concerned with watching foxtrot these days.

Simply because Calzaghe doesn't care about boxing any more is no reason for us to overlook his shortcomings, during his career he beat 3 men whom were ranked in the top 5 of his divisions- Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins with Jones being borderline. This simply isn't good enough when you consider the longevity that he had.

Neverthless, he's a Hall of Famer in Boxing, not like a few on here- a Hall of Famer on a Boxing forum!

Super D Boon wrote:Neverthless, he's a Hall of Famer in Boxing, rather than a Hall of Famer in a Boxing forum!

On a point of pedantry he actually isn't yet. Boxers cannot qualify for the Hall of Fame until they have been retired for five years and as such Joe has not even come up for nomination yet, that said I fully expect him to sail in, but remains he is not a Hall of Famer just yet.

So what he's a future hall of famer so is Ricky Hatton, doesn't make him beyond deserved criticism, the meaning of that term is somewhat lost when you realise the low standards set by the IBHOF.

Super D Boon wrote:Jones was at light heavy when JC was at super middle. I won't defend JC's decision to fight Jones at all as I thought he should have taken Dawson for his last fight for a bonafida world title but there we are.

Based on Dawson's performance against Pascal he could of had retired with a better reputation.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So what he's a future hall of famer so is Ricky Hatton, doesn't make him beyond deserved criticism, the meaning of that term is somewhat lost when you realise the low standards set by the IBHOF.

Is Ricky? You sure of that? Lots of people reckoning maybe not.

I can see their point too - didn't unify, 1 great night against an ageing Tszyu and not much else...

I think Richard Hatton was one of our better boxers. He was badly found out against the very best. Always thought he should be called Richard. Ricky is a horrid name.

As for Joe -

Lets not pretend that the RJJ fight was anything other than a money-spinner.

Joe knew his best days were behind him - hence refusing Froch, Dawson. JC somewhat petrified of losing at the best of times and in his last couple of fights - it did look somewhat like his punch resistance was gone/going. He'd slowed down a lot as well. Maybe he doubted his own ability to get the job done in a tough close fight against a young contender. Maybe not.

Its a business and whilst I don't like it and I won't praise the decision - taking a big-money easy fight vs a small-money hard fight.

No-brainer I'm afraid.

And I'm a huge Charley Burley fan, by the way - so please understand that I make that statement with all the sorrow in my being.

Whether Hatton deserves to be there or not, the amount of popularity he brought to the sport will get him in much like Calzaghes longevity will, in a perfect world neither would get in but we all know what the hall of fame is like.

Theres is a reasonable gap between Calzaghe and Hatton. Both could easily end up making the Hall of Fame but I dont think I would begrudge Calzaghe.

Have seen with the thread for a new and improved HoF that the likes of Lennox Lewis has sailed through with no resistance and for me there is not a huge amount seperating the careers of both men.

Hatton is a different story and while he might possibly make the current HoF he would be very much one of those fighters that would not be deservng of entry to a more elitist Hall.

Back to the article,

I can't see anything likeable in Bellow and I am hardly excited about his boxing skills either.

The only fight i've seen of his was the McKenzie II fight and it was poop!

Everyone can have a bad night but Bellow seemed overwhelmed with pride with his performance so if he was rating that as one of his best then I don't see much help for him with Clev!

Clev is not world class IMO and got a joke belt as a gift albeit he's still young but Bellow is below him so hopefully Clev gets the win.

Just hope the fight lives up to the build up. It does seem a genuine dislike but all too often they stand off a bit when it comes to the fight.

oxring wrote:

'As for Joe,

Let's not pretend that the RJJ fight was anything more than a money-spinner'



Who's pretending ox?


Let's be honest, nobody wanted to see that fight. Everyone knew it was a step down for Joe. Everyone wanted to see him fight Froch or Dawson.


But guess what- who was the guy who most condoned the RJJ fight, who most defended it, who condescended those who suggested that Froch was a far more pertinent fight?


So now you accept you defended the indefensible yeah?

'As for Joe,

Let's not pretend that the RJJ fight was anything more than a money-spinner'

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As a JC fan I wouldn't even pretend that it wasn't. As I said I wish JC would have finished fighting a genuine world champion at light heavy in Dawson. He would have won and it would have added a good deal more to his standing in the sport rather than a washed up former big name. he would also have finished a genuine two weight world champion.

By the way Froch was a nothing fight for Joe. Why fight a newly crowned champion who took the belt you didn't want anymore? Froch also offered JC a catchweight which was ludicrous. Calzaghe beats a legend in his first fight at light heavyweight only to fight a comparitive nobody at 172lbs? Nothing fight.

Fighting Dawson would have legitimised JC as a two weight world champion.

Can't agree that Dawson was all that far ahead of Froch at the time, both world champions who had done relatively little, only difference being they competed in different divisions.

I wanted Joe to fight Pavlik after Hopkins. At the time Pavlik was the savior for the 'Church of Calzaghe Hatred'. Ceej and all the other Calzaghe haters were giving it the full on "Kelly will walk through Calzaghes slaps and knock him out late on". Then Pavlik got given a pasting by Hopkins, Joe retired after RJJ and then the 'Church of Calzaghe Hatred' put Carl Froch as the man who "Joe retired to avoid". I went to Calzaghe v RJJ, it was a good excuse to visit one of my favourite cities again. Il admit id rather him of been fighting Pavlik or Dawson, but with the amount of Calzaghe haters floating about I guess you cant help but get defensive now and again

Who on here is a Calzaghe hater? All I can see is balanced opinions of him.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Who on here is a Calzaghe hater? All I can see is balanced opinions of him.

Not so much on here but the old 606 was pretty bad. Ceej was the main one though. Wherever he is now I hope he is in a lot of pain

The past is the past it not, on here I very rarely see anyone bashing Calzaghe for the sake of it.

He's on Eastide Steffan, so perhaps in your interests to not join there any time soon

Super D Boon wrote:'As for Joe,

Let's not pretend that the RJJ fight was anything more than a money-spinner'

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As a JC fan I wouldn't even pretend that it wasn't. As I said I wish JC would have finished fighting a genuine world champion at light heavy in Dawson. He would have won and it would have added a good deal more to his standing in the sport rather than a washed up former big name. he would also have finished a genuine two weight world champion.

He may have won Boon, but he didn't, and so his standing stays where it is(good but not great,) and he didn't finish a genuine two weight world champion- that's the bottom line.


What an incentive to fight Dawson though- to become a genuine two weight world champ! I know Dawson was unbeaten, in his prime, and being talked about as one of the best boxers in the game, and offereed to go to Cardiff, but bottom line, Calzaghe turned down the fight.

Herman Frotchlinger wrote:oxring wrote:

'As for Joe,

Let's not pretend that the RJJ fight was anything more than a money-spinner'
Who's pretending ox?
Let's be honest, nobody wanted to see that fight. Everyone knew it was a step down for Joe. Everyone wanted to see him fight Froch or Dawson.
But guess what- who was the guy who most condoned the RJJ fight, who most defended it, who condescended those who suggested that Froch was a far more pertinent fight?
So now you accept you defended the indefensible yeah?

Herman, 2 years on and still the same tape? You need a new "thing".

I like "condescended". I'll try to condescend more in future. Its not "indefensible" - its highly upsetting. Boxing is a money sport. RJJ was a big money low risk fight, given that Joe had already started to slow. My opinions on this haven't changed at all - so I apologise if I come across as though they have.

Would I have preferred to watch Froch-Joe? No question. However, I'm not saying RJJ was the wrong choice either. Sad - but that's the sport of boxing. SRR never fought Burley remember?