First Tiger Post Anyone?

After watching his bit of a comeback at the end of last season, before he blew up on the last day to GMac, I thought he would be almost back to normal after the break. I watched him last night in the farmers and even though it's early days yet, he's nowhere near. I'm gutted for him as I have him down as the all-time greatest, but I have a feeling that unless he sorts out his petulance he will be losing even more of his fan-base this year. People will always turn a bit of a blind eye to some of his antics because of his golf, but if he's not producing we'll see a rise in his tantrums and a drop away of his fans.

I was also surprised to hear that he had only spent 6-hours per week with Foley, because you would imagine that his dedication and winning mentality would not allow him to just be an average tour player. You would expect him to have used the break to iron out his poor stuff, and get this new swing tuned. I know Foley has other players to work on, but is 6-hours per week enough? and last night showed someone who cannot do the swing he's trying for or he would have mastered it by now through sheer dedication. Go back to Butch Tiger because that was your most succesful period and the swing obviously worked for you. You play a long ball, but cannot compete with the likes of Dustin, Bubba and a few more in the distance stakes so why try? Everytime you try and nail it you drop that shoulder and you send it wide into the booneys, and then you turn into a schoolboy with issues.

For a 1st TW post, not bad . I assume he's doing a lot of solo practice trying to nail down what Foley's trying to get him to do but even for TW, the golf swing is a tricky business to change. Anyway, who's to say TW actually knows what he's doing re. his swing? Has he ever really understood a golf swing? He may simply be a natural given the videos of him swinging a kiddy club at ~2.

Yes his game is still not back 100%
But to suggest he is not spending enough time with Foley is harsh, as foley does have a fair few other tour pro's he has to work with e.g Justin Rose and just because it's Tiger doesn't mean Foley will prioritise him above the others he has contractual obligations to work with as it is Foley that will set the sechedule as the teacher for Tiger the student to follow not the other way around.

It's most likely he has shown Tiger what needs be done with his swing and given him the exercise's to carry out and he will have to practise these drills much like we would after a lesson with our pro's and then he will re-visit Tiger and see how it's coming along.

His game is slowly improving and im sure he'll get it back to where he wants it to be.

Navy, Mav Nice place this just pull up a chair and grab a coffee 8) I really hope Tiger can prove me wrong, but I suspect the break he's just had wasn't spent honing his new swing whereas before it would have been. Focus and dedication was his armoury, but maybe not these days, but I hope I'm wrong as I want to see him back. He was always a bit wayward but he was able to outseve Seve with some of his recovery shots followed by killer putting from 10-foot. he's even more wayward and can still produce some brilliance from off the fairways, but the putting is costing him more than his driver now.

I still think he should go back to Butch and do what he did before, but agree that his body shape has affected that unique swing he had, but he pumped himself and thats not always a good thing. His game declined as his biceps grew and the testosorone didn't help his on course antics or indeed his personal life. He was a breath of fresh air for the game and marketing mans dream and for one would love to see him add to his major wins and overtake Jack.

I really hope he can sort it because he looks like anyother golfer out there at the moment and it's sad to see.

Indeed is a nice new home we have here, can't understand why the beeb would want rid of 606 as it's hugely popular, but this new hme we have is far more user friendly and once were all on our new chairs it will be a lovely new way of life, that and the fact we aren't restircted to times and can chat as and when it's happening on the course and i'm loving the new :bitchslap: smiley

As for Tiger, i think the fact he has lost some of that falability is good for him as in the early part of the year people will still think he is not the force he was, but i think come time of the Masters he will be right up there again as he is still scoring relatively well despite missing fairways and not holing as many putts at the moment.

With regards his off season preparation it's always going to be harder for him than it was before as he has 2 children which would have been in his household when he was married that would be there before and after his day at the office (practice ground) whereas now he has to take specific time out of the schedule to spend with them as his wife has custody and they aren't their when daddy gets home, I know ow this feels as I have to do this with my eldest and it will affect him, it affected Faldo for a brief while in his first marriage but he came back as strong as ever as will Tiger im sure.

As for the points Re:Butch Harmon, Tigers swing and Physique, I can only feel it's Tiger stopping this from becoming a reality, Butch plainly stated during rain hit coverage of the RC that he can see the flaws and if Tiger wanted it he would gladly take time out of his schedule and spend how ever long it takes to straighten him out, he even said he could clearly see things he could rectify in four weeks inall areas of his game.

It's clear Tigers physique has made him have to swing on a flatter plane than he did because his biceps, tri's and delts have increased to a size that really is not ideal for golf, as the bigger they get the more elasticity he loses' so in real terms if he toned rather than bulked he would be able to get back to where he was originally, but that said im sure he'll find the solution and fire his guns! on all cylinders again.

I wonder why Tiger didn't give Pete Cowen a call, after all he seems to be doing something right for his other players. I remember reading this, and in fact posting it on 606, which how and where Tiger was better than the rest of the field ( http://www.pgatour.com/stats/academicdata/adp-broadie-v-20080428.pdf ). The conclusion was that he picked up more shots on the field from over 150 yards out compared to the other players. He of course was a legend around the greens.

Just watching the tennis and I think Tiger use of the "W" might have infected others. The commentator in the murray game referred to getting the W.

Whoops! TW finishes 74-75 for -1. Guess more practice is in order...

I was totally shocked by Tiger's performance at the weekend. I'm no Tiger sycophant but neither am I a Tiger hater. I just hope that he can get back somewhere close to where he was as when he is in that form he is irresistable to watch.

However, after the weekend at Torrey Pines, I believe he is still a LONG way from getting back (and maybe even seems to be getting further away from his best). After his performance in the Chevron I thought he was on the right track, but this last weekend he not only looked a shadow of his former self, but also he at times looked like a total hacker! Everything looks a struggle, his swing looks shot to pieces and naturally the confidence is at zero level.

Can he really pull out of this slump? Would he seriously consider retiring if he could no longer perform at the highest level?

I think that Tiger has one ambition and one ambition only...... to break Jack's major record. I belive that if he thinks he can't compete in the big ones any longer, he'll hang up his glove.

Davie my view exactly. I hated watching the car crash that was unfolding before my eyes and the final nail in the coffin was watching last nights interview after he bombed out. I understand why the cameras follow him, but wow that was awefull in the extreme and like you after the Chevron I suspected he was almost back. But the 6-week break looks like he's not practiced or tried to resolve his swing at all. I know thats probably unfair, but he's gone backwards in those 6-weeks and I'm now wondering if he has the heart for it anymore.

The difference between Tiger and Phil is that they're both rubbish off the tee at the moment, but Phil's still near the top getting greens in regulation, which was an old Tiger positive, even this has vanished along with his swing, his putting, his scambling leaving not a pretty sight. I do hope he gets it back but on the evidence so far I can't see it. Desert swing coming up for him so we'll have another look

I really don't think we will see a gradual improvement from Tiger. If he gets back to his former glory then one day he will just turn up and blitz the field like he used to. He will then continue to play well.

It's absolutely tremendous news in my opinion that Woods continues to struggle. The longer it goes on, the less the TV companies can justify the cringeworthy simpering coverage of his every move. Sport is supposed to be a meritocracy and that should be reflected in who is shown on TV. If any other player was stinking the place out I wouldn't expect to see their shots, but simply because it is Woods who was once in the distant past a dominant force I'm supposed to have an assumed intrinsic interest in seeing this unlikeable man chop his way around a golf course.
Long may his slump continue, golf will soon be about golf again and not some surly unpleasant ego maniac.

Super

I tend to disagree, I think Tiger back to somewhere near his best would bring the best out of the Europeans.

An on form Tiger against Westwood, Kraymer, Casey and Poulter, would be a mouth watering tournament, would let us all see how really good the European players really are.

Surely you aren't suggesting that the Europeans are only ruling the roost at present due to Woods hilarious lack of form?

super_realist wrote:Surely you aren't suggesting that the Europeans are only ruling the roost at present due to Woods hilarious lack of form?

If he isn't then I am. Oh and phil seems back to his old self again. He will surely go into every major as the favourite until tiger regains his form?

super_realist wrote:It's absolutely tremendous news in my opinion that Woods continues to struggle. The longer it goes on, the less the TV companies can justify the cringeworthy simpering coverage of his every move.

I'll disagree with that part. While his slump continues, he will attract MORE media attention, not less. It is the ultimate in car-crash TV.

Im a bit of a Tiger fan but must confess I find the coverage of his decline compulsive viewing. You won't see less of Tiger until he hangs up his glove. It's what most viewers want

super_realist wrote:It's absolutely tremendous news in my opinion that Woods continues to struggle. The longer it goes on, the less the TV companies can justify the cringeworthy simpering coverage of his every move. Sport is supposed to be a meritocracy and that should be reflected in who is shown on TV. If any other player was stinking the place out I wouldn't expect to see their shots, but simply because it is Woods who was once in the distant past a dominant force I'm supposed to have an assumed intrinsic interest in seeing this unlikeable man chop his way around a golf course.
Long may his slump continue, golf will soon be about golf again and not some surly unpleasant ego maniac.

:606laugh: Go on S_R, say what you really mean and stop this Cat-footing around.

:606laugh: I tried to say "p u s s y-footing around" above and the profanity filter auto-substituted "Cat" :606laugh:.