Please read - possible solution to ' off topic ' disagreements

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:51 pm

Afternoon, fellas.

A problem which has repeatedly blighted the forum in recent weeks has been the question of how to address ' off topic ' discussions, and if you'll all bear with me for the few minutes it will require to read this I believe I can offer a workable solution.

It has never been my intention, nor that of anybody else, to discourage ' banter.' On the contrary, banter is invaluable in the cultivation of community spirit, and some of the light hearted stuff yielded by Union's ' Prediction league ' threads ( by way of example, ) is a joy to read and can be very, very funny. Nobody would wish to interfere with this. Similarly, originally serious boxing conversations will, sometimes, fly off at a tangent , though it is hoped that the conversations might, eventually, return to the subject which the author intended.

Herein lies the problem.

You would surely agree with me that if a discussion involving a fantasy fight between Aaron Pryor and Julio Cesar Chavez should evolve into a discussion about the desires of one or two to service Megan Fox then certain folks are going to be pretty disgruntled. The old solution, which was to split off the ' off topic ' posts and dump them, arbitrarily, into the ' off topic ' section, would invariably put noses out of joint since the discussions had no exclusive identity, and multiple mergings would produce utter chaos.

By way of solution, I propose the following :

1. We delete, with immediate effect, the ' Non - boxing chat ' sticky.

2. We open a brand new sub section ( just like ' The boxing vault ' ) entitled ' Trash talk.'

3. This ' Trash talk ' subsection will enjoy multiple threads, each of which will retain the title of the parent thread from which it was derived, but will contain the ' off topic ' posts split from said thread, these serving as a starting point for each discussion. By way of example, parent thread ' Pryor v Chavez - who wins ? ' which spawns a conversation about Mexican food, will have all Mexican food comments split off into a thread in the ' Trash talk ' sub section entitled ' Pryor v Chavez - who wins ? '

In this manner, the principle problem inherent in the merging of threads is eradicated.

Obviously, offensive language, etc., will still not be permitted but, other than that, members will be able to chat to their hearts' content about a given sub topic while those who wish to stay ' on topic ' can do so unfettered.

This is a concerted effort to solve a serious problem at the boxing section, and I have already presented the idea to the other members of the admin team, who have given it their blessing.

We propose to set up the sub section later today, but I felt it right and proper to give you all a chance to air your views before we do.

Over to you.

by Rowley Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:58 pm

Works for me Windy, although Megan Fox? Always more of a Ava Gardner man myself

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:01 pm

Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

by The genius of PBF Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:02 pm

Can I have a tribute thread for my prediction league win?

by Adam D Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:04 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

So you would like either one thread on the main boxing age to scoop up the off topic stuff? I like that idea, why dont we call it "non boxing chat" as an example.

Or do you mean you would like two threads on every topic? thats an even better idea - I think doubling the amount of threads on the main board will remove the clutter

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:04 pm

We'll make sure that Ava Gardner gets a mention, jeff, just as margaret Rutherford will for me.

Sean, it can't sit on the front page, proper, since it will need to contain multiple threads. It must, by nature, be an exclusive sub section.

by Mr Bounce Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm

I like this idea (and the naem of "Trash Talk" too. Also agree re Megan Fox - she's too skinny and looks like hard work. Hayley Atwell or Gemma Arterton please

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:05 pm

OMG vindication trash talk? does anyone remember back in the old 606 I proposed a solution to all the spits and spats that took place on bbc boxing 606? I set aside a thread entitled "SMACK TALK" so that whenever an article went off topic people had a source to vent or rant. What happened it got ridiculed. Windy firstly it nice to hear from you and secondly as a mark respect would you re name your trash talk sticky SMACK TALK in honour of ONETWO.

Thank you.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:06 pm

The genius of PBF wrote:Can I have a tribute thread for my prediction league win?

You could pretty much have what you like, PBF, provided it didn't break normal rules of language, libel, etc., etc.

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:08 pm

Great idea Windy, although I pity the person who has to sift through all the threads removing all the off topic comments.

As an aside, you haven't joined the new prediction league yet.

Whistle

by The Money Man Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:08 pm

What happens though when we have a thread like the Vitali vs Haye one which goes off on a tangent about the Lewis fight?

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:09 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:OMG vindication trash talk? does anyone remember back in the old 606 I proposed a solution to all the spits and spats that took place on bbc boxing 606? I set aside a thread entitled "SMACK TALK" so that whenever an article went off topic people had a source to vent or rant. What happened it got ridiculed. Windy firstly it nice to hear from you and secondly as a mark respect would you re name your trash talk sticky SMACK TALK in honour of ONETWO.

Thank you.

Thank you. ONETWO.

I'm sure we have immense respect for you as it is, mate, though I feel that ' Trash talk ' does, at least, still have boxing connotations.

Hadn't realised that you had come up with a similar idea at the Beeb. What shall we say, ' Great minds ' or ' Fools never differ ? '

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:09 pm

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

So you would like either one thread on the main boxing age to scoop up the off topic stuff? I like that idea, why dont we call it "non boxing chat" as an example.

Or do you mean you would like two threads on every topic? thats an even better idea - I think doubling the amount of threads on the main board will remove the clutter

I came up with an idea a while back but it wasn't really acknowledged. It would however require frequent moderation. It could be called non-boxing chat, trash talk or whatever, but it would be updated regarding the current topic being discussed.

ie Trash Talk - Currently Discussing - Famous Man Sausages

by Daz Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:10 pm

Sounds like a good idea to me Windy. Thumbs up from me. Nice name by the way - Trash Talk!

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:10 pm

The Money Man wrote:What happens though when we have a thread like the Vitali vs Haye one which goes off on a tangent about the Lewis fight?

It stays put, Money Man, since it is

a. Still a boxing discussion, and

b. Relevant to the original thread.

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:11 pm

A small point, as we are not Americorns, it should be 'rubbish' and not 'trash'.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:12 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:
Adam D (Hobo) wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

So you would like either one thread on the main boxing age to scoop up the off topic stuff? I like that idea, why dont we call it "non boxing chat" as an example.

Or do you mean you would like two threads on every topic? thats an even better idea - I think doubling the amount of threads on the main board will remove the clutter

I came up with an idea a while back but it wasn't really acknowledged. It would however require frequent moderation. It could be called non-boxing chat, trash talk or whatever, but it would be updated regarding the current topic being discussed.

ie Trash Talk - Currently Discussing - Famous Man Sausages

The sub section will be easier to moderate, Sean, and will also solve the principle problem about which some of you complained with the old merging of threads situation, viz each thread will be individually identifiable.

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:13 pm

Union Cane wrote:A small point, as we are not Americorns, it should be 'rubbish' and not 'trash'.

How about Refuse Dialogue? It has a better tempo imo. lol!

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:14 pm

Union Cane wrote:A small point, as we are not Americorns, it should be 'rubbish' and not 'trash'.

Now, don't you go trashing the idea with issues of semantics. Very Happy

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:15 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:OMG vindication trash talk? does anyone remember back in the old 606 I proposed a solution to all the spits and spats that took place on bbc boxing 606? I set aside a thread entitled "SMACK TALK" so that whenever an article went off topic people had a source to vent or rant. What happened it got ridiculed. Windy firstly it nice to hear from you and secondly as a mark respect would you re name your trash talk sticky SMACK TALK in honour of ONETWO.

Thank you.

Thank you. ONETWO.

I'm sure we have immense respect for you as it is, mate, though I feel that ' Trash talk ' does, at least, still have boxing connotations.

Hadn't realised that you had come up with a similar idea at the Beeb. What shall we say, ' Great minds ' or ' Fools never differ ? '

Erm I think SMACK TALK has more connotations then Trash talk windy with all due respect. I remember my idea was maybe ahead of its time but it was a great solution. SMACK TALK as I remember was ridiculed by people such as DAVE 667 and Oxring so if you want proof you just need to ask them. I hope you reconsider re naming this windy as I would hate to turn this into a legal issue.

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:16 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:
Adam D (Hobo) wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

So you would like either one thread on the main boxing age to scoop up the off topic stuff? I like that idea, why dont we call it "non boxing chat" as an example.

Or do you mean you would like two threads on every topic? thats an even better idea - I think doubling the amount of threads on the main board will remove the clutter

I came up with an idea a while back but it wasn't really acknowledged. It would however require frequent moderation. It could be called non-boxing chat, trash talk or whatever, but it would be updated regarding the current topic being discussed.

ie Trash Talk - Currently Discussing - Famous Man Sausages

The sub section will be easier to moderate, Sean, and will also solve the principle problem about which some of you complained with the old merging of threads situation, viz each thread will be individually identifiable.

That's cool. I just wonder if by hiding it away, one of the 'sub-forums' will suffer. All this clicking between sub sections is tiresome unless you are a computer nerd like Union, Coxy or Scottrf.

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:17 pm

The word 'smack' has connotations to both drug use and child abuse, I think 'rubbish' is a much safer bet.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:18 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:
Adam D (Hobo) wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:Like the prohibition era speakeasies in chicago?

Decent idea although i'd like it to be on the main boxing forum page

So you would like either one thread on the main boxing age to scoop up the off topic stuff? I like that idea, why dont we call it "non boxing chat" as an example.

Or do you mean you would like two threads on every topic? thats an even better idea - I think doubling the amount of threads on the main board will remove the clutter

I came up with an idea a while back but it wasn't really acknowledged. It would however require frequent moderation. It could be called non-boxing chat, trash talk or whatever, but it would be updated regarding the current topic being discussed.

ie Trash Talk - Currently Discussing - Famous Man Sausages

The sub section will be easier to moderate, Sean, and will also solve the principle problem about which some of you complained with the old merging of threads situation, viz each thread will be individually identifiable.

That's cool. I just wonder if by hiding it away, one of the 'sub-forums' will suffer. All this clicking between sub sections is tiresome unless you are a computer nerd like Union, Coxy or Scottrf.

It won't be hidden, Sean. It's not a ' naughty corner.'

On the contrary, it will sit right up there on the front page with ' The boxing vault.'

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:18 pm

Union Cane wrote:The word 'smack' has connotations to both drug use and child abuse, I think 'rubbish' is a much safer bet.

So you wouldn't be a fan of 'Fritzel's Basement'?

by Scottrf Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:19 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:That's cool. I just wonder if by hiding it away, one of the 'sub-forums' will suffer. All this clicking between sub sections is tiresome unless you are a computer nerd like Union, Coxy or Scottrf.

Cheeky bugger. Just because you haven't used the quote button successfully yet.

by Rowley Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:19 pm

SMACK TALK could be misconstrued, have no desire for the thread to degenerate into a discussion about heroin, am sure that is not the type of discussion we are seeking to encourage

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:20 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:OMG vindication trash talk? does anyone remember back in the old 606 I proposed a solution to all the spits and spats that took place on bbc boxing 606? I set aside a thread entitled "SMACK TALK" so that whenever an article went off topic people had a source to vent or rant. What happened it got ridiculed. Windy firstly it nice to hear from you and secondly as a mark respect would you re name your trash talk sticky SMACK TALK in honour of ONETWO.

Thank you.

Thank you. ONETWO.

I'm sure we have immense respect for you as it is, mate, though I feel that ' Trash talk ' does, at least, still have boxing connotations.

Hadn't realised that you had come up with a similar idea at the Beeb. What shall we say, ' Great minds ' or ' Fools never differ ? '

Erm I think SMACK TALK has more connotations then Trash talk windy with all due respect. I remember my idea was maybe ahead of its time but it was a great solution. SMACK TALK as I remember was ridiculed by people such as DAVE 667 and Oxring so if you want proof you just need to ask them. I hope you reconsider re naming this windy as I would hate to turn this into a legal issue.

Ha !

You are much too nice a bloke to sue me, ONETWO.

I honestly believe, though, that when we think of James Toney, etc., the phrase ' trash talk ' is the one which springs to mind.

by Adam D Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:20 pm

Can we split these comments as they have gone off topic.

What we need is a subsection of some kind.

Bin speak?

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:21 pm

rowley wrote:SMACK TALK could be misconstrued, have no desire for the thread to degenerate into a discussion about heroin, am sure that is not the type of discussion we are seeking to encourage

I've just said summat very similar.

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:21 pm

Here it is guys PROOF. It is when I was named champshere but had to change my name as everyone called me chumpshere but here it is...

the original and the slightly better.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A43856409

by Scottrf Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:21 pm

Dustbin dialogue works well.

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:22 pm

Scottrf wrote:
Michaels, Sean wrote:That's cool. I just wonder if by hiding it away, one of the 'sub-forums' will suffer. All this clicking between sub sections is tiresome unless you are a computer nerd like Union, Coxy or Scottrf.
Great idea Michaels. I always thought you were the best and funniest poster in the forum. As well as hearing how much the chicks dig you, I see you are fantastic at using the quote button these days.

Why thank you Scott.

by Rowley Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:22 pm

Union Cane wrote:
rowley wrote:SMACK TALK could be misconstrued, have no desire for the thread to degenerate into a discussion about heroin, am sure that is not the type of discussion we are seeking to encourage

I've just said summat very similar.

Great minds Union, truth is I just copy all my comments of those more knowledgeable than me, sometimes I get a bit caught out.

by BALTIMORA Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:22 pm

rowley wrote:Works for me Windy, although Megan Fox? Always more of a Ava Gardner man myself

Ava Gardner? Gimme Eva Braun anyday!! Phwoooaar!!

by The genius of PBF Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:25 pm

I guess this will be DAVE667 new home Wink

by **superflyweight** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:28 pm

I honestly believe, though, that when we think of James Toney, etc., the phrase ' trash talk ' is the one which springs to mind..

"Eats out of the trash" is what springs to mind when I see Toney these days.

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:29 pm

superflyweight wrote:
I honestly believe, though, that when we think of James Toney, etc., the phrase ' trash talk ' is the one which springs to mind..

"Eats out of the trash" is what springs to mind when I see Toney these days.

Ha !

And that as well, superfly.

by The genius of PBF Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:31 pm

superflyweight wrote:
I honestly believe, though, that when we think of James Toney, etc., the phrase ' trash talk ' is the one which springs to mind..

"Eats out of the trash" is what springs to mind when I see Toney these days.

James Toney has lost a lot of weight recently I believe his next fight will be at cruiser against Lebedev.

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:32 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A43856409

by **HumanWindmill** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:34 pm

ONETWO, with all due respect this is an attempt to solve a serious problem which has caused a great deal of mistrust and ill will here at the boxing section.

I don't give a rat's backside if you, I, The Marquis of Queensbury or Errol Flynn wish to claim authorship.

Let's, please, put the forum first so that we can all be happy and so that the boxing section can grow.

by coxy0001 Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:37 pm

Shut it chumpshere

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:37 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:...with all due respect...

That isn't much, to be fair.

by Rowley Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:37 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:ONETWO, with all due respect this is an attempt to solve a serious problem which has caused a great deal of mistrust and ill will here at the boxing section.

I don't give a rat's backside if you, I, The Marquis of Queensbury or Errol Flynn wish to claim authorship.

Let's, please, put the forum first so that we can all be happy and so that the boxing section can grow.

Windy easiest way to settle this is start a spinning back fist article, am sure he will happily let you have ownership of that belter.

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:38 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A43856409

Just had a look. I see you came up with a cracking put down for Rowley........

comment by champshere (U13198674)
posted Nov 19, 2008

But geffreyfromrainbow dont you give me credit for trying to seperate the nonsence from the genuine boxing debate.

by quentins_monkey Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:40 pm

Any chance the current 'Non-Boxing chat' thread can be restored to its former glory as School Project's art gallery within the confines of the 'trash/smack/rubbish talk/dialogue' section?

Since other threads were merged into it I've felt less inclined to spend literally tens of minutes in MS Paint creating my 'works of art'... Smile

by BALTIMORA Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:40 pm

Mr Bounce wrote:I like this idea (and the naem of "Trash Talk" too. Also agree re Megan Fox - she's too skinny and looks like hard work. Hayley Atwell or Gemma Arterton please

Good call. Cracking milkers on that.

by Michaels, Sean Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:43 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
Mr Bounce wrote:I like this idea (and the naem of "Trash Talk" too. Also agree re Megan Fox - she's too skinny and looks like hard work. Hayley Atwell or Gemma Arterton please

Good call. Cracking milkers on that.

Christ!! Has she got Right Said Fred in there?

http://www.worldofsuperheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Hayley-Atwell-1074814-small.jpg

by GerardMcL Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:44 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:We'll make sure that Ava Gardner gets a mention, jeff, just as margaret Rutherford will for me.

Your a sick man windy.
Idea sounds a good 'un though.

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:45 pm

How ironic that a thread on the subject of going off topic has itself gone off topic, although wouldn't that mean that it is still on topic by being off topic?

by **Union Cane** Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:47 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:Christ!! Has she got Right Said Fred in there?

http://www.worldofsuperheroes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Hayley-Atwell-1074814-small.jpg

This is a 'better' picture...

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