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Mexico's First 4 Weight Champ - Morales or Arce?

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Post by Valero's Conscience Mon 19 Sep 2011, 4:51 pm

When Morales won and in the hype leading to the fight there was constant mention of Morales getting the chance to/did make history to become the first Mexican to win world titles in 4 different weight classes.

I thought when Jorge Arce stopped Vasquez Jr in May this year that he won the WBO Super Bantamweight title and therefore was a legitimate 4 weight champ?!?

From looking at Arce's CV, amongst his previous achievements in addition to his current title are legit titles at 3 previous weights so why is Morales getting this accolade?

I understand Morales is by far the bigger name but seems somewhat disrespectful to Arce.

Is there a logical reason I can't see is are the TV companies simply ignoring Arce's achievement?

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Post by Union Cane Mon 19 Sep 2011, 4:53 pm

His WBC flyweight title was only interim, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam has mostly held the 'proper' version.

It is madness.


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Post by coxy0001 Mon 19 Sep 2011, 4:54 pm

Because he hasn't won titles in 4 divisions?

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 19 Sep 2011, 4:55 pm

It's not an actual title win though. It was given to him after they stripped Bradley for no reason. I hope fans don't look at this as a legit 4th weight title, it's an insult to all the great Mexicans and tarnishes Morales himself in my eyes.

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Post by Valero's Conscience Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:03 pm

Union Cane wrote:His WBC flyweight title was only interim, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam has mostly held the 'proper' version.

It is madness.

Cheers, I thought he had won 4 'proper' titles, I guess I was wrong!


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Post by Rowley Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:06 pm

Morales has won belts in more divisions than Henry Armstrong. He must be really, really good.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:12 pm

Morales had two wins at 140 and was coming off a loss. His opponent was a late replacement with not a single name on his record and very few fights at the weight.

Is it against the rules to tell the WBC to kill themselves?

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Post by BALTIMORA Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:14 pm

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Morales had two wins at 140 and was coming off a loss. His opponent was a late replacement with not a single name on his record and very few fights at the weight.

Is it against the rules to tell the WBC to kill themselves?

But Morales is MEXICAN... Duh!

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:16 pm

I know, I know...

If I changed my citizenship to Mexican do you think I could get a shot at Vitali? I don't weigh 200+ pounds.

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Post by BALTIMORA Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:27 pm

Don't see why not. They took the 154 and 160 belts from Martinez and gifted them to Alvarez and Chavez Jr. I'm surprised Froch is still their 168 champ.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:35 pm

No mexicans at super middleweight. Maybe Julio Cesar Chavez should declare himself a super middle and thus get the title.

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Post by BALTIMORA Mon 19 Sep 2011, 5:49 pm

Doesn't have to be anyone good...

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