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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:53 pm

Next Wednesday as part of a course I am doing at work I have to give a 10 minute presentation as boxing with the aid of visual aids such as power point. My question is what boxer, topic, fight or any aspect of boxing would you choose. I am delivering the presentation to 30 people none of whom I have met before so I would like the topic to be of interest to the casual fan or a controversial event to keep them interested.

I am big boxing fan and my favourite fighter is Duran but my knowledge pales in comparison to the posters on this board. I have been reading the forum since 2009 when it was on the beebs website and i would really appreciate any help. The purpose of the presentation is to prove your confidence in public speaking since i will be doing this a lot in my cushty new job with the Armed Forces as a recruiter. Thank you in advance


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Post by Scottrf Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:58 pm

Do something broad like the history of the Heavyweight Championship?

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Post by AlexHuckerby Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:59 pm

the history between the fab four?

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:21 am

Given your a Duran fan I would go with the fab four. I got that book 4 kings a few months back. Not got round to reading it yet but it's supposedly very good.
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Post by BALTIMORA Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:23 am

The arguments for and against boxing.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:52 am

PEDs?

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Post by Valero's Conscience Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:46 am

Agreed on the Fab Four context. Considering it's just 10 minutes and you have 4 fighters, that's not a lot to talk about the career of each and their respective fights with each other so should be 'easy' to reach 10 minutes.

Four Kings is a good book and would recommend buying for useful facts and information, however that depends on how long you have before the presentation.

Personally I would like to talk for 10 minutes about the fall from grace of the belt organisations and the many examples of undeserving people fighting for titles.

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Post by Fists of Fury Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:50 am

Valero's Conscience wrote:Agreed on the Fab Four context. Considering it's just 10 minutes and you have 4 fighters, that's not a lot to talk about the career of each and their respective fights with each other so should be 'easy' to reach 10 minutes.

Four Kings is a good book and would recommend buying for useful facts and information, however that depends on how long you have before the presentation.

Personally I would like to talk for 10 minutes about the fall from grace of the belt organisations and the many examples of undeserving people fighting for titles.

Jose Sulaiman has agreed to speak with me about the proliferation of belts etc. If there's anything in particular you would like me to ask him then just PM me.

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Post by Rowley Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:58 am

The colour line would be an interesting topic to do it on. Can be as academic as you want. I would suggest Jack Johnson would be an interesting character to tie it around, the efforts he had to take to secure his shot, the attempts by white America such as prosecuting him for the Mann Act to strip him of his title. Could also assess how he acted when he had the belt and the impact it had on those who followed Johnson.

Would imagine research material would not be too tricky to come across, although if you have not already read it Unforgivable Blackness would be a good starting point. Although there are probably users on here with decent material on this mate.


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Post by Adam D Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:02 am

I think the end of this weekends Mayweather fight is a great topic that is also very topical.

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Post by Michaels, Sean Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:13 am

Eubank v Watson II and the effect it had on the sport.
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Post by tcribb Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:17 am

The transition from bare knuckle through to the gloved era.
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Post by Scottrf Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:19 am

tcribb wrote:The transition from bare knuckle through to the gloved era.
And into coloured gloves.

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Post by tcribb Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:27 am

Scottrf wrote:
tcribb wrote:The transition from bare knuckle through to the gloved era.
And into coloured gloves.

Good one Scott, I'll write a full dissertation on why those shouldnt be allowed. Including the epilogue on daft WWF like wrestling entrances.
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Post by Rowley Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:30 am

tcribb wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
tcribb wrote:The transition from bare knuckle through to the gloved era.
And into coloured gloves.

Good one Scott, I'll write a full dissertation on why those shouldnt be allowed. Including the epilogue on daft WWF like wrestling entrances.

Take it you'd also be a big fan of Johnny Nelson style skirt shorts then Cribb?

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Post by tcribb Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:37 am

rowley wrote:
tcribb wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
tcribb wrote:The transition from bare knuckle through to the gloved era.
And into coloured gloves.

Good one Scott, I'll write a full dissertation on why those shouldnt be allowed. Including the epilogue on daft WWF like wrestling entrances.

Take it you'd also be a big fan of Johnny Nelson style skirt shorts then Cribb?

Not at all Rowley, however if it deflects the eye from watching his fight, I shouldn't complain to heavily.
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Post by Scottrf Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:38 am

Who is heavily?

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Post by Union Cane Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:39 am

Heavily probably wouldn't take any notice of your complaints anyway...

We know your opinion on gloves, how about shorts? Are different colours acceptable there?

*Damn you Scott, damn you and your quick witted responses.


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Post by No1Jonesy Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:41 am

I've always thought that multi coloured gumshields are a tad to distracting... BAN THEM!

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Post by huw Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:42 am

Are the people you need to present to interested in the sport in any way?

If not or you don't know then the safe option would be something related to Ali.

Maybe even about the pre fight mind games. Lots of interesting stories on Ali there that will get an interest and you could even move on to how people are still immitating him now with Haye as another known example to non boxing fans.

Also would give an opportunity to discuss Tyson (bone into brain / eat his children etc.).


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Post by tcribb Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:50 am

Sorry for The mispronunciation of grammar/spelling fellas, didn't realise we had a forum full of wise guys.

Yes Union same shorts, same gloves, how about same race let's not complicate things.
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Post by Scottrf Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:52 am

tcribb wrote:Sorry for The mispronunciation of grammar/spelling fellas, didn't realise we had a forum full of wise guys.
Who you think you talkin' to?

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Post by Valero's Conscience Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:04 am

Fists of Fury wrote:
Valero's Conscience wrote:Agreed on the Fab Four context. Considering it's just 10 minutes and you have 4 fighters, that's not a lot to talk about the career of each and their respective fights with each other so should be 'easy' to reach 10 minutes.

Four Kings is a good book and would recommend buying for useful facts and information, however that depends on how long you have before the presentation.

Personally I would like to talk for 10 minutes about the fall from grace of the belt organisations and the many examples of undeserving people fighting for titles.

Jose Sulaiman has agreed to speak with me about the proliferation of belts etc. If there's anything in particular you would like me to ask him then just PM me.

Cheers Fists, I'll think of something worthwhile to send you, most likely the current examples of WBC masterminding of Alverez and Chavez Jr and judging by their track record how the WBC justifies their champ status.

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Post by bellchees Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:12 am

Could look in to the trouble boxers have trying to adjust to life after they are done with boxing, it could be relevant as it's a problem people in the armed forces suffer with also. Might be a bit depressing though.

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Post by Union Cane Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:15 am

You could focus on boxers who have come through the army, such as Nigel Benn.

Wasn't there a poster on the old 606 who once fought Benn in the army? Or did I dream that bit?
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Post by Rowley Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:24 am

Union Cane wrote:You could focus on boxers who have come through the army, such as Nigel Benn.

Wasn't there a poster on the old 606 who once fought Benn in the army? Or did I dream that bit?

Not sure Union, always have to take these things with a pinch of salt, because as someone memorably put it the other week if everyone is telling the truth about their boxing experience on here our collective amateur record would shame the Cuban Olympic squad. Think one bomb was something like 31-0 (30) as an amateur!

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Post by huw Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:26 am

rowley wrote:
Union Cane wrote:You could focus on boxers who have come through the army, such as Nigel Benn.

Wasn't there a poster on the old 606 who once fought Benn in the army? Or did I dream that bit?

Not sure Union, always have to take these things with a pinch of salt, because as someone memorably put it the other week if everyone is telling the truth about their boxing experience on here our collective amateur record would shame the Cuban Olympic squad. Think one bomb was something like 31-0 (30) as an amateur!

No way in the world would one of his fights gone to points!

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Post by Rowley Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:27 am

huw wrote:
rowley wrote:
Union Cane wrote:You could focus on boxers who have come through the army, such as Nigel Benn.

Wasn't there a poster on the old 606 who once fought Benn in the army? Or did I dream that bit?

Not sure Union, always have to take these things with a pinch of salt, because as someone memorably put it the other week if everyone is telling the truth about their boxing experience on here our collective amateur record would shame the Cuban Olympic squad. Think one bomb was something like 31-0 (30) as an amateur!

No way in the world would one of his fights gone to points!

It was against King Kong to be fair to him

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Post by Valero's Conscience Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:32 am

On a light note you could just discuss Prince Naz's different ring entrances!

Sure to get a giggle plus some of his entrances will be 10 minutes alone!

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Post by Scottrf Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:33 am

rowley wrote:It was against King Kong to be fair to him
Thought OneBomb was a Light Heavy, bit big for Agbeko?

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Post by huw Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:33 am

rowley wrote:
huw wrote:
rowley wrote:
Union Cane wrote:You could focus on boxers who have come through the army, such as Nigel Benn.

Wasn't there a poster on the old 606 who once fought Benn in the army? Or did I dream that bit?

Not sure Union, always have to take these things with a pinch of salt, because as someone memorably put it the other week if everyone is telling the truth about their boxing experience on here our collective amateur record would shame the Cuban Olympic squad. Think one bomb was something like 31-0 (30) as an amateur!

No way in the world would one of his fights gone to points!

It was against King Kong to be fair to him

Ah, I remember now, this was the one where the ref actually gave King Kong 7 long counts and helped him to his feet on three occasions. Plus One Bomb had a cold and really poorly little toes on both feet.

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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:47 am

Thank you very much for all your help, i dont know if the audience will have an interest in boxing huw most squaddies do have some when knowledge but only involving the big british fighters and that is who i will be talkling to. The Tyson line about the nose in to the brain was that after the Jesse Ferguson fight? I think a controversial event or figure like Tyson will keep interest up and people would definitely know Tyson. My other thought is to do one on the good side and bad side of boxing both represent by March 1983s fights at Madison Square Garden, that evening with Duran beating Davey Moore and the crowd singing happy birthday to him alongside Billy Collins tragic assault show both sides of the sport and the morals of some people involved. What was the reason for Restos loaded gloves though? An ageing journeyman suddenly was not going to get a title shot was he? or was there gambling involved as Resto would have been a big underdog. Thanks to everyone again.

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Post by Rowley Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:57 am

Tom if you are thinking of doing something on Collins Resto if you go in the documentary thread in the boxing vault believe there is a link to a very decent documentary about it.

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Post by BALTIMORA Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:18 am

How about ten minutes on why loaded gloves make boxing a safer sport?

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Post by bhb001 Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:02 pm

The difference between amatuer and professional boxing may give enough for ten minutes without swamping people in too much technical detail.

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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:02 pm

Thanks Mr Rowley having just watched the documentary I can safely say I have found my subject. I have seen some dodgy characters in sport but I can say that without a doubt Panama Lewis is the biggest sleazeball/scumbag/piece of filth I have ever seen! unbelievably though I do have sympathy for Resto which I didn't expect to have, he knew what he was doing but I doubt he thought the consequences would be so tragic. How Panama was let near a ring again is beyond belief, the most controversial figure in the sport I have ever read about.

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Post by Super D Boon Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:03 pm

Do one on the history of boxing forums. How 606 became 606v2 and the rivalry between our British sites and American sites such as ESB.

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Post by GerardMcL Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:19 pm

Erik Morales
Roberto Duran

I chat for hours about these two guys. The way they fought, the reason they fought like this when they could have boxed more. The machismo and cojones. The Barrera, Pacquaio, Leonard, DeJesus fights.

Man just play a highlight video of Hands of Stone and you wont need to say anything


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Post by Guest Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:48 pm

Talk about how Lennox Lewis is really Canadian, how people who hate Amir Khan are all card carrying racists and how Joe Calzaghe is over-rated!

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Post by AlexHuckerby Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:49 pm

send a pm to colonial lion asking as to how haye ripped of the country youll have more than 10 minute worth there

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Post by TechInept Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:54 pm

Are you doing your DIT course!? I finished mine last week. The best presentations were always what they found most interesting themselves, so go with your favourite part or thing about boxing.

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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:42 pm

No it isnt DITs i am doing that next month at Tidworth, it is a brat course all Army recruiters have got to do it, its a week down in Exeter basically giving speeches to prove you are confident to talk to 14-18 year olds about signing up. I have had 12 years of crap postings and I thought my dreams had come true with this one, but it is terrible you just go to schools trying to get lazy uninterested kids to do command tasks avoid at all costs! I have decided to do the Collins Resto fight few people bar boxing fans know of it and I think it is a good story to tell with the biggest villain, every story needs a bad guy and with Panama Lewis you get that, did you do boxing on your DITs?

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Post by TechInept Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:36 pm

I'm in the training wing at a reme phase two, trying to get lazy uninterested soldiers to do command tasks! I just did a presentation on the diffrent types of rocks for mine because I wanted a challenge and it was a bit diffrent, almost everyone else just did their favourite football team.

Yeah good idea for the topic, you could do 20 mins easily there!

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Post by Twitchey Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:47 pm

Frank Bruno - the highs and lows Everyone knows about Frank and loves him.

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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:05 pm

TechInept are you at Arborfield or Bordon? if you are at Bordon i might bump into you late next year if I get loaded on my tiffy course. As for Frank Bruno its been 15 years since he last fought and I think over half the people I will be talking to would of heard of him sad as it is

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Post by TechInept Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:41 pm

I'm at Arborfield, I only left here 2 years ago, one posting and I'm already back!

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