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Post by HERSH Tue 27 Sep 2011, 12:20 pm

First topic message reminder :

How the teams line up

England team: B Foden; C Ashton, M Tuilagi, M Tindall, D Armitage; J Wilkinson, B Youngs; M Stevens, S Thompson, D Cole, L Deacon, C Lawes, T Croft, L Moody (capt), J Haskell.

Replacements: D Hartley, A Corbisiero, T Palmer, N Easter, R Wigglesworth, T Flood, M Banahan.


Scotland team: C Paterson; M Evans, J Ansbro, S Lamont, S Danielli; R Jackson, M Blair; A Jacobsen, R Ford, E Murray, R Gray, A Kellock (capt), A Strokosch , J Barclay, R Vernon.

Replacements: S Lawson, A Dickinson, N Hines, R Rennie, C Cusiter, D Parks, N De Luca.




Last 10 meetings


2011 England 22 - 16 Scotland
2010 Scotland 15 - 15 England
2009 England 26 - 12 Scotland
2008 Scotland 15 - 9 England
2007 England 42 - 20 Scotland
2006 Scotland 18 - 12 England
2005 England 43 - 22 Scotland
2004 Scotland 13 - 35 England
2003 England 40 - 9 Scotland
2002 Scotland 3 - 29 England

England 7 - Scotland 2 - Draw 1

England 273 pts - Scotland 143 pts


IMO on paper the Scots might as well start packing their bags, but I have a strange feeling they might just pull it off, Chris Paterson will have plenty of shots at goal if England continue getting penalised at the breakdown and we all know what that means, he very rarely misses unless his wearing cherry and White!

Or am I being silly?


RWC so far

England


Argentina 9 - 13 England
England 41 - 10 Georgia
England 67 - 3 Romania

England PF 121 pts - PA 22pts


Scotland

Scotland 34 - 24 Romania
Scotland 15 - 6 Georgia
Argentina 13 - 12 Scotland

Scotland PF 61 - PA 43


Missed this one,

England 17 tries to Scotlands 4




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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:17 am

mckay1402 wrote:bad decision. would have scored a try had they kept going Doh

Nah I think it was a good call to take that just before half time. Keeping the scoreboard ticking over is key especially as Wilkinson is struggling with the boot. Each 3 points Scotland accumulate will worry England.

Keep her lit! Braveheart
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Post by Countnefarious Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:18 am

Christian cross?

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

Rolling Eyes

Stevens is probably a non-believer. We should be grateful he hasn't been put to death as the bible commands

Well given the missed penalties and the way we've played 6 points isn't the end of the world.


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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

Gatts wrote:
Countnefarious wrote:I noticed that "good Christian," Euan Murray, maliciously digging his elbow into another man's face there. Oh well, at least he doesn't play on Sundays: far more important sign of a man's character.

Dude, whatever you think leave the guys religion out of it, there is a line and you just crossed it

+1 get a grip FFS. No need to bring religon up here.
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Post by Guest Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

Let's keep the stupid wummery off this thread please folks. Thanks

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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:20 am

rugbydreamer wrote:Let's keep the stupid wummery off this thread please folks. Thanks
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Post by Countnefarious Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:20 am

Gatts wrote:
Countnefarious wrote:I noticed that "good Christian," Euan Murray, maliciously digging his elbow into another man's face there. Oh well, at least he doesn't play on Sundays: far more important sign of a man's character.

Dude, whatever you think leave the guys religion out of it, there is a line and you just crossed it

Please enlighten me as to how I, in any way, disrespected any religion. I'm merely pointing out that phsyically attacking someone is probably worse than playing a game on a sunday. Not really a big deal so relax.

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Post by Cari Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:21 am

I think it's time for a coffee

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Post by Biltong Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:21 am

I suppose next will be someones politics. Doh
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Post by TheGreyGhost Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:21 am

Stone him!

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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Can Scotland maintain this momentum?

Kev the Cat seems to believe they can with the caveat that I keep feeding him a sh1t load of salmon

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Post by Guest Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Count - friendly words of advice for you: drop it

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

This game so far as the look of the France v Tonga game. England are looking a bit shell shocked at the moment.

Lets hope the second half for England is a lot, lot better.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Scotland look far more fired up than England in that 40 minutes and deserve to be in front.

I suspect there may be a few F's and C's thrown around in the dressing room and if England don't come out with more intensity second half they do not deserve to win.

Ben Youngs needs to step up the pace. He has looked laboured and he is normally the catalyst for England playing an up tempo game.
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:22 am

Darn SNP

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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Countnefarious wrote:
Gatts wrote:
Countnefarious wrote:I noticed that "good Christian," Euan Murray, maliciously digging his elbow into another man's face there. Oh well, at least he doesn't play on Sundays: far more important sign of a man's character.

Dude, whatever you think leave the guys religion out of it, there is a line and you just crossed it

Please enlighten me as to how I, in any way, disrespected any religion. I'm merely pointing out that phsyically attacking someone is probably worse than playing a game on a sunday. Not really a big deal so relax.

I don't need to explain it and since you don't recognise it there is evidently no point.

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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Countnefarious lets just focus on the game eh? There's another thread if you want to discuss Murrays religious beliefs.
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Post by TheGreyGhost Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:23 am

Madg, Scotland don't have the strike power that Tonga have.


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Post by Guest Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

Ozzy3213 (LDCPete) wrote:Scotland look far more fired up than England in that 40 minutes and deserve to be in front.

I suspect there may be a few F's and C's thrown around in the dressing room and if England don't come out with more intensity second half they do not deserve to win.

Ben Youngs needs to step up the pace. He has looked laboured and he is normally the catalyst for England playing an up tempo game.

I think Scotland are doing what Ireland did in the 6N's and are targetting him, it's clear he's getting pretty rattled as well. He needs to compose himself asap in the 2nd half.

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

Predictable start really. Early penalty against England that could've gone either way, opposition build on from there.

England playing way too flat, Scotland barely needing to move to get tackles in, braveheart etc

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Post by doctornickolas Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

Murray is giving Stevens a torrid time at the scrum.

Scotland just aren't going to score 4 tries though if they played for a month.

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Post by Biltong Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:24 am

good sucking up to the mods there gatts. Wink How's North?
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:25 am

rugbydreamer wrote:Count - friendly words of advice for you: drop it

Friendly? Red is the colour of anger and aggression. You should use green like the wife does for marking books (red is negative apparently)
Very Happy

Youngs is behaving like a silly kid at times (again). Hopefully we'll improve in the next half. Lost 4 or 5 scrums and how many lineouts? Big problems

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:25 am

y far the most deserving team are going through. Eng wil only get hammered if they progress anyway. awful.

One thing i hope comes out of this.. John Wells (who has given us poor forwards under three managers) finally gets fired and we get a completely new set-up.

Whatever happened to JW's boots too? Sad to see him become so poor now.

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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

Ozzy3213 (LDCPete) wrote:
I suspect there may be a few F's and C's dwarves thrown around in the dressing room

+ 1 thumbsup
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Post by Biltong Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

HammerofThunor wrote:
rugbydreamer wrote:Count - friendly words of advice for you: drop it

Friendly? Red is the colour of anger and aggression. You should use green like the wife does for marking books (red is negative apparently)
Very Happy

Youngs is behaving like a silly kid at times (again). Hopefully we'll improve in the next half. Lost 4 or 5 scrums and how many lineouts? Big problems

yeah, or start with orange if it is only friendly. Whistle
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

Christ, this is like a replay of most Scotland vs. England games of the last ten years. I'm so frustrated I can feel time melting...
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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:26 am

I wonder what T shirts Nike have waiting in the dressing room

I went all the way to Eden park, lost, didn't even play the All Blacks and all I got was this lousy black t shirt

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:27 am

rugbydreamer wrote:
Ozzy3213 (LDCPete) wrote:Scotland look far more fired up than England in that 40 minutes and deserve to be in front.

I suspect there may be a few F's and C's thrown around in the dressing room and if England don't come out with more intensity second half they do not deserve to win.

Ben Youngs needs to step up the pace. He has looked laboured and he is normally the catalyst for England playing an up tempo game.

I think Scotland are doing what Ireland did in the 6N's and are targetting him, it's clear he's getting pretty rattled as well. He needs to compose himself asap in the 2nd half.

Much as I think Haskell has played well in this tournament, I think Youngs may be crying out for Easter at 8, and his clubmate Flood at 10. He looks uncomfortable at present, and that familiarity may allow him to play his more natural game. England need to stop Scotland getting to him, if we don't do that, we will lose this game.
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Post by Cumbrian Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:28 am

Much better start from England!
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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

Huge hit from tuilagi! Far to obvious from Scotland.
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

Couldn't be worse.

But yes acceptable so far

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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:30 am

Youngs is having a nightmare out there.
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Post by TheGreyGhost Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:30 am

Obstructive crossing from England in mid-field there. Not spotted.

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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:30 am

Youngs will go soon

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Post by Davie Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

Ozzy3213 (LDCPete) wrote:Much as I think Haskell has played well in this tournament, I think Youngs may be crying out for Easter at 8, and his clubmate Flood at 10.

If Youngs is uncomfortable with Haskell and Wilkinson, then a far more obvious replacement would be to get Youngs off instead of 8 and 10

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Post by mckay1402 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:31 am

I expected England to come out like this. If Scotland can hold off the pressure it's just possible...
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Post by mckay1402 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

Evans off. bad
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Post by mckay1402 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

How the hell did vickery get a job as a commentator? the least appealing voice on television
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

Love the overhead camera at the scrum.
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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:32 am

Scotland have the better scrum and lineout, are dominating the breakdown and have a better place kicker. In theory this should be a straight forward game to close out for scotland..... Headscratch
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:33 am

mckay1402 wrote:How the hell did vickery get a job as a commentator? the least appealing voice on television

He's ridiculously biased to England

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

Davie wrote:
Ozzy3213 (LDCPete) wrote:Much as I think Haskell has played well in this tournament, I think Youngs may be crying out for Easter at 8, and his clubmate Flood at 10.

If Youngs is uncomfortable with Haskell and Wilkinson, then a far more obvious replacement would be to get Youngs off instead of 8 and 10

Wigglesworth won't win us the game from 9.
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Post by Davie Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

mckay1402 wrote:How the hell did vickery get a job as a commentator?

How the hell did Joubert get a job as a referee?

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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

Tins drops the dwarf

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Post by EnglishReign Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:35 am

Davie wrote:
mckay1402 wrote:How the hell did vickery get a job as a commentator?

How the hell did Joubert get a job as a referee?

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

What was the point of that?

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Post by rodders Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

The last 20min will be interesting. The Argentina game may start playing on Scotlands minds, however England don't look the fittest side.
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Post by Gatts Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

Jonny McWilkinson missed again

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Post by Guest Sat 01 Oct 2011, 9:36 am

Joubert's been okay for me, the penalty stats are pretty level and he's not making any major mistakes. He's fine.

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