Cause and effects of anitcs outside of the match...!

It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

Considering the hounding that the media is currently presenting to the England squad it is no surprise. Similarly the English rivals next weekend the french, who have been the epitome of derision and the derided by themselves, their coach, their critics and their plaudits. This is apparent in their game too. The selections are bizarre but the out come of a group of talent on paper is even more unfathomable, these players are exceptional for their clubs.

Or do you think that all this business in the press is left off the field.

Certainly in Wales when Mike Phillips and Andy Powell were receiving poor press they were playing poorly, Ireland in 2007 had all sorts of allegations surrounding them and performed below themselves.

I don't think it can be left entirely off the field.

For starters it affects concentration on rugby. Look at BBC interview with Wiggles, Hape and Tuilagi...its 4 minutes of trying to get them to make some controverisal comment about off field antics, not about the rugby. Hape says he feels certain players have let the squad down. now that in itself may be true but then when the other players hear this it undermines camaraderie.

I hope that this series of incidents will only serve to sharpen resolve - England traditionally seem to get serious in knockout stages.

they seem very miffed with guscotts comments. which is very understandable- as they seem to know about stories from his era that make todays england antics seem like a tea party. Hape shouldnt have been forced into saying what he said for obvious reasons. We know these things make a difference , but lets hope the lads get even more motivated to prodiuce great rugby- so the papers can report on that rather than all this trivial 'hello' or 'OK' girlie magazine talk

maestegmafia wrote:It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

For goodness sake zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are professionals

So nothing do do with the fact that Scotland cranked up the pressure and rose up as a "team", Sean Lamont had one helluva game and the "aware" Ansbro had both English centres second guessing every time he had the ball.

Clutching at straws to justify an English performance or maybe looking at Welsh past performances..................... suprised at you Masteg........ perhaps not tho.

Its all about been professional............... perhaps they should look at players in other sports e.g. David Beckham was villified by almost everyone in England and the UK after getting sent sent off in the WC against Agentina, how did he reply? down in the dumps and performances plummetted? well no!!..........by putting his head down, practicising hard and putting performances that won back the respect of the football world.

flyhalffactory wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

For goodness sake zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are professionals

So nothing do do with the fact that Scotland cranked up the pressure and rose up as a "team", Sean Lamont had one helluva game and the "aware" Ansbro had both English centres second guessing every time he had the ball.

Clutching at straws to justify an English performance or maybe looking at Welsh past performances..................... suprised at you Masteg........ perhaps not tho.

Its all about been professional............... perhaps they should look at players in other sports e.g. David Beckham was villified by almost everyone in England and the UK after getting sent sent off in the WC against Agentina, how did he reply? down in the dumps and performances plummetted? well no!!..........by putting his head down, practicising hard and putting performances that won back the respect of the football world.

The guy has wheels but not for the wing....he needs to be given ball in th eline as every time he took a pass he was bundled into touch...weapon like that needs to see the ball earlier

I don't think the players have done anything wrong. Guscott's an idiot, just jealous he never won a world cup.

flyhalffactory wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

For goodness sake zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are professionals

So nothing do do with the fact that Scotland cranked up the pressure and rose up as a "team", Sean Lamont had one helluva game and the "aware" Ansbro had both English centres second guessing every time he had the ball.

Clutching at straws to justify an English performance or maybe looking at Welsh past performances..................... suprised at you Masteg........ perhaps not tho.

Hey FHF,

No need for the dig mate... A casual observation thats all.

I disagree that there is a difference when someone is a professional and life outside of work confronts your productivity, we all see it in our work all the time. There is usually a very good reason why someone is under performing.

Sport is no different.

EnglishReign wrote:I don't think the players have done anything wrong. Guscott's an idiot, just jealous he never won a world cup.

Are you mad?

They are professionals earning a massive of money, in perhaps the most important tournament in Rugby Union, they have a whole country following them, some spending hard earned savings to watch them, all hoping that they can bring some cheer into what is for most very unsure and hard times................ if in any other career a person went on the p1ss and clubbing a few nights before an exam or an important meeting and underperformed or failed they might very well get sacked (if any of my grads did that and failed they would be out on their ear).

Guscott was smack on

I'll be amazed if no other team has gone out for a few beers. It wasn't the whole squad anyway. I don't care about the public, I'm one of them and am content with the knowledge that it is just a bleedin' game. Some minor events being blown out of proportion, I can live with that.

i agree on your point that issues outside work can affect your job.

BUT
I think the problem is that the rugby players know~(and have mentioned) what the guys in guscotts era got up to. Guscott must have either been a part of it- or know about it and keeping from the public eye,- either way he needs to stop giving the press more stories and stop being a hypocrite

I am not the sort of person to condeme people for just 'misbehaving' when plenty of others out there have done the same but either not got caught out or in a time when privacy was rewarded!

maestegmafia wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

For goodness sake zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are professionals

So nothing do do with the fact that Scotland cranked up the pressure and rose up as a "team", Sean Lamont had one helluva game and the "aware" Ansbro had both English centres second guessing every time he had the ball.

Clutching at straws to justify an English performance or maybe looking at Welsh past performances..................... suprised at you Masteg........ perhaps not tho.

Hey FHF,

No need for the dig mate... A casual observation thats all.

I disagree that there is a difference when someone is a professional and life outside of work confronts your productivity, we all see it in our work all the time. There is usually a very good reason why someone is under performing.

Sport is no different.

Sorry mate, just it appeared to ignore what pressure we (Scotland) brought to the game........ we are still feeling the pain .

Maesteg one of the reasons why someone could be perceived to be "underperforming" is that their opponent are better than them on the day. On that day Lamont played very well and even if Tindall had been "Hunky Dory" I think Schlong would have outperformed him.

And yes we see it in all walks of life, but its the character of that person on how he confronts these moments

flyhalffactory wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:It has been said a few times by various journalists post England vs Scotland match that Mike Tindall and his much vaunted counterparts looked off their game.

For goodness sake zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are professionals

So nothing do do with the fact that Scotland cranked up the pressure and rose up as a "team", Sean Lamont had one helluva game and the "aware" Ansbro had both English centres second guessing every time he had the ball.

Clutching at straws to justify an English performance or maybe looking at Welsh past performances..................... suprised at you Masteg........ perhaps not tho.

Hey FHF,

No need for the dig mate... A casual observation thats all.

I disagree that there is a difference when someone is a professional and life outside of work confronts your productivity, we all see it in our work all the time. There is usually a very good reason why someone is under performing.

Sport is no different.

Sorry mate, just it appeared to ignore what pressure we (Scotland) brought to the game........ we are still feeling the pain .

Maesteg one of the reasons why someone could be perceived to be "underperforming" is that their opponent are better than them on the day. On that day Lamont played very well and even if Tindall had been "Hunky Dory" I think Schlong would have outperformed him.

And yes we see it in all walks of life, but its the character of that person on how he confronts these moments

And it is character that is very much in question. And how character deals with stress.



No disrespect to the way that Scotland played rugby at all. They were the better team until the last ten minutes, England proved to be a touch better at the end, hense the close score.

But also likewise Scotlands players were not being hounded by the press.

In the days of regular tours,discipline was hanndled by manager,coach and a players committee.It was recognised off field antics would occur,incidents would be handled,palms greased and the press bought off.
Every tour faced similar problems,the senior players and management dealt with it.
It seems in a pro era such crude methods no longer work,but they are worth a try.
England during Woodwards reign had every thing sorted for them,all they had to do was play.Johnson was there he should apply the same methods,but when you have a senior player setting the wrong example?

The other thing is these days theres a lot more antics one can get up to (or at least caught getting up to)

Players werent caught on CCTV or caught twittering while drunk and things like that.

Needless to say probably a lot more of it went on back then purely because it was less transparent. What happens on tour doesn't necessarily stay on tour these days so now it can't be brushed under the carpet by management as it could then if everyone knows about it beforehand.

World Cup winners 2003 and finalists 2007, what do you expect bois bach? It's the price of success.

World Cup winners 2003 and finalists 2007, what do you expect bois bach? It's the price of success.

I think for the red top scumreporters that's not of interest - if Tindle had married an ordinary local lass who's highest social standing was secretary of the local badminton club I don't think we would be having half of what is being splashed across the pages and screens.

One of our local football teams here (premiership side) has just had one of their players done for sexual assault and doing grade A drugs whilst on the urine in a nightclub in midweek. Bet you haven't heard of that if you are living outside of North Eastern England. This bloke is probably getting paid more in one week than the rugby players get paid in a month yet no major national campaign is running in the gutter press to put this 'professional' sportsman in the dock. Now if he was married to royalty..........

On the Urine?

thats a new one.

Yeah i have seen a number of these in the last few weeks.

If you are taking the urine out of someone
If you are on the urine at a pub
You are urined off, becuase of something someone said.

et.

My all time favourite here on 606v2 is love sacks.

Man sausage

Testing Testing wunnn toowah three

Glas a du wrote:World Cup winners 2003 and finalists 2007, what do you expect bois bach? It's the price of success.

Just as well they didnt win two grand slams really or theyd be getting Hensoned

TrailApe wrote:This bloke is probably getting paid more in one week than the rugby players get paid in a month yet no major national campaign is running in the gutter press to put this 'professional' sportsman in the dock. Now if he was married to royalty..

Fair comment, all the more pressure added. I hear Buckingham Palace were very unimpressed at having to change their story, and re-inform their legal team after it was proven that Tindall hadnt been telling the truth either.

Martin Johnson was right, Rugby player drinks beer shocker but England Rugby Captain, who'd married the Queen of Englands Grand Daughter just before the RWC drinks beer and fondles ex girlfriend in numerous bars at RWC.. Now that is a shocker....

That will excite the press, and always will do and will be hung around Tindalls neck by the gutter press for ever. Hardly the leading by example that was Jonno's way...!

THat is not the point of this thread though...!


The thread was contrived to ask peoples opinions on how outside matters whether it is a bereavement in the family or friends, derision between a crazy coach and his team or at the other extremity what Tindall or Haskell has been up to.

Considering the England teams behaviour last time they were in NZ, and the horrible allegations that followed them their current behaviour is surprising and the reaction of the Kiwi, Aussie and British press very predictable.

It certainly seems to be effecting the players, is it worse than the way that poor performance and derision in the French squad has effected them?

We will find out this Saturday.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Glas a du wrote:World Cup winners 2003 and finalists 2007, what do you expect bois bach? It's the price of success.

Just as well they didnt win two grand slams really or theyd be getting Hensoned

You'll have to explain that post. It makes no sense whatsoever.