Cipriani - a proper doughnut...

As a Wasps fan, I used to be quite a fan of Cipriani's when he first appeared on the scene, but the constant self-praise and loss of form turned him into an amusing facsimile of what he was supposed to be (England's supposed "saviour" at 10).

The late nights and trouble in Australia following his numerous pages of gutter press in England show he is stupid enough not to learn from his man sausage-ups. Yes, he may have dated Kelly Brook ( ), but we also need to remember his delve into the seedy world of the lady-boy. (Allegedly).

Now he has done himself no favours at all. He appears to have joined the social circles of the human Li-Lo that is Jordan.

Please Danny, go to Oz and stay there. We really don't give a monkeys anymore...

So, you've got the hump with him for not dating women who are, in your opinion not attractive enough? What's that got to do with rugby? You must give a monkeys enough to write a post about it, but I just wonder what point you're trying to make here?

Mr Bounce like you I used to really like Cipriani. Two performances that stood out were his HC final appearance against Leicester and his one man demolition of Ireland. Both which I went to live. It's a shame he has let things slip. Reminds me of a certain Welshman.


Are we going to see Cipriani following in the footsteps of the Orange One?

Would it really surprise anyone if Danny Cipriani became the new Bachelor if there is a 2nd series?

The likes of Celebrity Big Brother,Strictly Come Dancing and Total Wipeout are all potential career paths for him.

Cipriani and Henson simply don't have the rugby mentality anymore. It's hard to see them getting back into rugby.

In my opinion the new England rugby star who hopefully will be playing for England in the near future is Owen Farrell. I know for sure he has the rugby mentality to succeed.

Cari wrote:So, you've got the hump with him for not dating women who are, in your opinion not attractive enough? What's that got to do with rugby? You must give a monkeys enough to write a post about it, but I just wonder what point you're trying to make here?

I thought you were more of a Bowe fan anyway?

Its not tahts hes not attarctuive, its that shes a barnd as oppossed to a human being. It doesnt excactly suggest that Mt Chips is focussed on his rugby above his celebrity status, despite constant claims to the opposite. If he'd followed the advice of those around him he could well be Englands Preistland rather than their Henson.

Cant he find himself a nice princess and settle down like Tindall?

Peter seabiscuit wheeler true Cipriani should be trying to woo Pippa Middleton not Jordan!

Cipriani is giving the tabloids a merry dance and probably loving every minute of it.

Serious question - would anyone want him at their club?

I don't really have an opinion of Cipriani as a person - I've not seen him play rugby that much. I think he's squandered his rugby career which is a shame because the couple of times I did see him play, he looked very good (that was before he met Ms Brook). I was questioning the manner in which Mr Bounce made his point. He applauded Cipriani's choice of one (attractive) woman, then berated him for the other two alledged incidents, and rather hypocritically said he didn't care about his social life...

Cari Kelly Brook is much classier and more attractive than Jordan. I think most men would have envied him being with Kelly Brook.

Jordan and the lady boy on the other hand....

I was merely stating that he he's not doing himself any favours with the media. Kelly Brook is a good PR move as she is is deemed as far more classy than the tabloid media darling that is Jordan. Image is what Danny is all about - he just wants attention a la Henson.

He was supposed to be going to Oz to further his rugby career and to hopefully get back into the England squad rather than be in the papers. I think we all know now which way he wants to play it. He's a fame seeker and has a higher opinion of himself than anyone else.

Unfortunately he's a walking pr disaster and has done himself no favours. Wasted potential.

I agree with you there Mr B. he has pished his rugby career up the wall it seems, which is a shame. However, if all he wants to be is tabloid fodder, then the best thing he can do is sh*g Katie Price because the red tops are obsessed with her for some reason, and she always keeps her own PR machine working. Quite a clever move by Cips in that respect...

He was never the same after his career almost ended with injury. Real shame

Hammerofthunor he is a 23 year old! He still has plenty of time to turn it around if he wants.

Agree with you Cari. Cipriani won't be doing his chances of getting onto a reality tv show any harm.

Here's a really unflattering picture of them here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045846/Katie-Price-Danny-Cipriani-cosy-Thorpe-Park-Fright-Night.html

Celebrities are supposed to be beautiful people? Yeeah right!

beshocked wrote:Peter seabiscuit wheeler true Cipriani should be trying to woo Pippa Middleton not Jordan!

I think he'd be happy with Harry in a dress if his previous is anything to go by

beshocked wrote:Peter seabiscuit wheeler true Cipriani should be trying to woo Pippa Middleton not Jordan!

Cipriani is giving the tabloids a merry dance and probably loving every minute of it.

Serious question - would anyone want him at their club?

I'd have him at Newcastle in a nanosecond ( I know, before anybody says it, beggars can't be choosers). I still believe he is one of the most naturally talented attacking players England have produced in a long time. If somebody can get him focused and not trying so hard to do the impossible on the pitch he'd be England's fly half, no question in my mind.

I think people blow his personal life out of all proportion. He's been daft at times and needs to grow up, but he's still only 23, it's far too early to write a player with his amount of talent off. He'll get picked up by a club back in England once his contract down under is up, we'll see what happens then.

If he went to Newcastle he'd be staright on Geordie Shore

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:If he went to Newcastle he'd be staright on Geordie Shore

Ew, don't swear at me with that rubbish.

Any man that gets with Jordan should realise it'll only end in disaster.

She comes with a warning sign.

...and a lifebelt

I'd risk drowning, don't care what any of you say, Kelly or Katy, i'd not say no to either and i doubt you would either.

A big YES to Kelly.

A big HELL NO to Katie, dont find her attractive in the slightest.

Serious question - would anyone want him at their club?

Cockers would beat the idiotic tendancies out of him, literally if need be. Lewsey started the good work but didn't continue the sculpting Cipriani needs. I have no interest in who he finds attractive I just think it's a spectacular waste of talent all because he's a wuss in defence and an idiot off of the field.

The way Cockerill kicks the %^&* out of his players it wouldn't surprise me Sam!
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Leicester-Tigers-survive-brutal-training-session/story-13419291-detail/story.html

Would you seriously want Cipriani at Welford Road? Imagine if Jordan and Cipriani get together. You would have the whole entourage.

Defence is quite important. Could you teach Cipriani how to tackle without a defence coach?

beshocked - I'm not so sure about farrell as I played against him when he was at st.george's and there were better players on both sides than him and without the huge impact his father had i don't think he would be playing at club level.
He has undoubtedly improved which is understandable playing in the premiership but I dont believe he will be a future england star and if he is I feel that may be down to the fact that we dont have an abundance of young talented fly halves in this country.
On Cip this clip shows his potential and this is what flood and wilko cant do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMnaPR3DhLk
But his defence is woeful i dont think he even has any he is always rushing up in the line and leaving his defence with no chance and usually the UE's outweigh his positives

The brutal training sessions are a semi permanant fixture at Welford Rd, it used to tradition that on a Tuesday it was full contact and the physios and club doctor would be in attendance because it would be match level intensity and fisty cuffs weren't unknown. Having said that if you believe some of the stories from ex-pros at Tigers then fisty cuffs were sometimes present in non-contact sessions including games of touch. I'm confident Tigers would toughen him up.

The defence coach should have nothing to do with the intensity and technical ability to tackle. At this level those should be a given and at Tigers if you don't have the intensity you don't get picked (Amorosino case in point). We could use a defence coach because Tigers tend to lose their structure over several phases and whilst the commitment is there the organisation isn't always. Tigers also tend to struggle when teams counter attack with width from a tactical kick (especially if it does into touch).

The entourage? They can come if they want, plenty of the players bring family to the games. There's normally a couple of Tuilagi's at most home games for them to socialise with. Won't happen though as Cips will never drop his wage demands in the way Allen did and Tait has in order to come into the Tigers salary cap as squad players with the determination to become first teamers again. Plus Tigers have the next big English fly half on their books anyway, he's been showing great skill at only 18 and whilst playing behind a pack under pressure.

Luvsports funny of you to write the player off so soon. He is only 20, he is a rising star.

Owen Farrell has excellent defence and on his day is an excellent goal kicker.

He has also scored two tries this season so far. He will continue to improve.

Sam when I say entourage I mean the media.

The media only go where there is a story, if he came to a team like Tigers then the opportunity to make a story through his behaviour would be greatly deminished (for fear of having to explain himself to Cockerill on a Monday). The amount of press would be greatly lessened as the main haunt for the Tigers players is Timo 2 the restaurant owned by Geordan and Castro. Can't see many reporters bothering to follow him to the nightclubs in Leicester/Loughborough/Nottingham either.

If he continued to court celebrities, well that's fine and up to him. It's when he stumbles out of nightclubs the morning he's supposed to be at training and when he tries to be clever stealing booze from behind the bar that he needs to knock on the head.

Looks like Danny's got women bother...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045846/Imogen-Thomas-blasts-Danny-Cipriani-pictures-emerge-cosying-Katie-Price.html

Can't see Cipriani staying in Oz for much longer. Rebels signed O'Conner who will more than likely take the 10 jersey. He'll head back to England and bounce around clubs for a while before retiring early.

Bitter Beer wrote:I'd risk drowning, don't care what any of you say, Kelly or Katy, i'd not say no to either and i doubt you would either.

Jordan is foul

yeah lol- silly whitgift buy.

Rebels signed O'Conner who will more than likely take the 10 jersey

I saw an interview last year where O'Connor said his favourite position was 12 but he tends to get selected at 10 or in the back three due to his size. Maybe the chance to play in his favourite position helped sway his decision and let's face it he can't be worse than Huxley was for the Rebels this season.

Sorry, but I think he would fit perfectly into the England squad just now.

Silly antics off the pitch, abusing women, dwarf tossing, jumping off ferrys, dating Jordan, 'cheating' on a princess

See his antics fit perfectly into the squad

I disagree Risky, he'd never fit into this England squad.

Creative, risk-taker, potentially brilliant, unrobotic - Smith and Wells would go into melt-down dealing with a player of Cipriani's potential.

I just wish he was Scottish.

I supposes FES he could take parks - can't tackle ' won' tackle position

He'd also be a handy replacement for our "running fly half" that is Jackson, in the sense that Cipriani is actually a capable runner with ball in hand, or at least he does actually run the ball every now and then.

I was watching the Northampton game at the weekend. Ryan Lamb, there's another that got away. Qualified to play for Scotland that lad, before his England representation. Imagine if we had someone like him.

Cipriani can't tackle. Tackling is quite important in rugby. Also he has the innate ability to gift the opposition points on a platter.

If he could actually tackle and cut out the errors he would be brilliant. Big ask though.

Agree with that, but Wilkinson has a big tackling reputation, and with his poor kicking and dreadful game management he also gifts the opposition points on a platter, just in a different way.

One player is an England legend, the other would barely be deemed eligible to be spat on were he to return to the country. Go figure.

I think there's a general lack of perspective in English rugby. Were Quade Cooper English, Johnson would not in a million years have picked him. He also is a weak tackler, and makes high profile mistakes.

He's not "tough mentally" you see, and not a "winner". He also isn't boring. Not England material.

I was watching the ITV coverage following the England win over Scotland, and Dallaglio was asked who should start at 10 for England against France. His response was Wilkinson, because you have to pick Wilkinson against France. The rationale, because Wilkinson kicked France out of the tournament 8 years previous. Staggering.

I was watching the ITV coverage following the England win over Scotland, and Dallaglio was asked who should start at 10 for England against France. His response was Wilkinson, because you have to pick Wilkinson against France. The rationale, because Wilkinson kicked France out of the tournament 8 years previous. Staggering..

Staggering for you, I was beating my head against a brick wall. It's not like Floody even makes that many mistakes his game is pretty clean. He's not the greatest tactical kicker going but his points kicking is generally very good (when un-molested by Dave Alred) so I couldn't understand why the fly half that gave us our best attacking display of the tournament was named at 12! England are going to have some interesting times finding another 10 to compete with Flood now that Hodgson and Wilko are getting on and Geraghty has gone to France.

beshocked wrote:Cipriani can't tackle. Tackling is quite important in rugby. Also he has the innate ability to gift the opposition points on a platter.

If he could actually tackle and cut out the errors he would be brilliant. Big ask though.

I dunno, most of the 10's I played were wimps (and expected to be so!) it's only since Wilkinson went charging around like an extra flanker that things changed.

If Cipriani fails to deliver as hoped on the field, then makes dubious decisions in his personal life off it, there is surely a place for him in the current English squad

Riskysports wrote:Sorry, but I think he would fit perfectly into the England squad just now.

Silly antics off the pitch, abusing women, dwarf tossing, jumping off ferrys, dating Jordan, 'cheating' on a princess

See his antics fit perfectly into the squad

The difference : England players go home early, Cipriani stays out late

Touché.

Funnyexiledscot I suppose that's true but Cipriani hasn't got great game management skills. Most importantly he isn't reliable. He is erratic.

Plus he isn't as mercurial as Quade Cooper.

Wilkinson became an English hero because of his reliability - defence,good structure, good kicking etc. In the world cup Wilkinson lost all his reliability - even missed a tackle to concede a try.

Also Wilkinson has a great attitude and is a nice bloke. Cipriani is a wannabe celebrity.

Cipriani is one of those frustating players that if he had the right frame of mind he could be a great player.

I certainly agree that he's frustrating. I thought the move to Australia would help him but it appears as though it's so far been a mistake.

Wilkinson didn't lose his reliability in the World Cup. He lost it years ago. If you remember, he was a total mess at the last World Cup, and in between he's produced some of the worst kicking from hand performances I've ever seen. His goal kicking is also now completely average. It was dreadful in the World Cup, but pretty average before then.

Yes, he played the odd decent (not exceptional lets be clear) game before the WC, and he's come back into a semblance of his old self at Toulon, but his performances at the WC were poor, and had Cipriani played as badly, we'd have never heard the end of it.

It's because Wilkinson is such a nice bloke and because of his record that he seems to be largely forgiven. Judged purely on rugby for England over the last 5 years, the verdict would be savage.

England need Cipriani back at Wasps. Similarly Haskell. These players are too talented to ignore. Imagine if Wasps, season after next, could assemble Haskell, Simpson and Cipriani as an 8,9,10 combination. Given some time, that would be an excellent club combination for the England management to assess. As it stands, Haskell will be out of the picture as will Cipriani.

Oh well, I guess England can make do with Nick Easter, Richard Wigglesworth and Andy Goode instead.

Haskell is supposed to be returning to Wasps for the 2012/13 season so that is part of the puzzle to ink in FES. Didn't Cipriani only sign a two year deal with the Rebels? Which would mean he could return as well, though he'd need some time off to have a brief rest.

I doubt we'll see the combo of Easter/Wigglesworth/Goode. Next season when Crane is back fit again we might see Crane/Youngs/Flood that would be a good combination if England can find the feral openside we desperately need.

Sam If MJ stays in charge that's what we will see.......
He would also have Twelvetrees partnering Tuilagi in the centres.....

Eh could be worse (was worse during the RWC), at least the fans of the smaller AP teams will be happy that Tigers are more beatable.