Pakistan spot fixing trial

by Guest Thu 06 Oct 2011, 5:55 pm

The final spot fixing trial got underway the other day, and the cases of amir asif and butt.

however another 3 names have been brought up today, and accused of spot fixing.. these players are.

Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal
Wahab Riaz.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Thu 06 Oct 2011, 10:01 pm

Could be an interesting trial. And can you imagine what the cricket board on old 606 would have been like Whistle

Australian Rugby League player Ryan Tandy was convicted of spot fixing overnight too https://www.606v2.com/t15536-nrl-ryan-tandy-found-guilty-of-match-fixing#555682

And with Wayne Rooney's dad arrested today too ...

by **Fists of Fury** Fri 07 Oct 2011, 9:42 am

Cricketfan, don't let me see you making libellous comments again please.

by Guest Fri 07 Oct 2011, 9:49 am

huh, it was opnion, its meant to be a forum to debate..

and that was the truth what i wrote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Guest Fri 07 Oct 2011, 9:51 am

CF, instead of arguing with ADMIN of this board, I strongly suggest you button it.

by **Fists of Fury** Fri 07 Oct 2011, 9:52 am

Don't be so bloody stupid. You claimed that a cricketer had purposely performed badly to fix a match, when there is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is the case. Do you not see what is libellous about such claims?

Whether it is your opinion or not I couldn't give a monkeys, but you cannot write things like that, it is the sort of thing that could get us shut down.

And anyway, not like that was the only bad game Kamran Akmal has ever had, is it! He's had plenty of shockers behind the stumps.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 07 Oct 2011, 11:26 am

Fists of Fury wrote:Don't be so bloody stupid. You claimed that a cricketer had purposely performed badly to fix a match, when there is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is the case. Do you not see what is libellous about such claims?

Whether it is your opinion or not I couldn't give a monkeys, but you cannot write things like that, it is the sort of thing that could get us shut down.

And anyway, not like that was the only bad game Kamran Akmal has ever had, is it! He's had plenty of shockers behind the stumps.

...and is a very rich man. Yknow just saying, no accusations.

Ill repeat my Ryan Sidebottom / Matt Prior reference though as a counter ...possible bribery with sweets aside noone seriously suspects that that was dodgy, just incompetance

by Guest Fri 07 Oct 2011, 2:13 pm

lol haha peter....

by Guest Sat 15 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

The trial i think has already lasted 8 days and isnt finished, a number of people have been questioned, including the offical lords scorer, who was asked, if anyone could judge purely randomly, when a no ball was going to be bowled, and i think it wwas something like one in 10 billion, or something silly like that

by Guest Wed 26 Oct 2011, 9:17 pm

i was watching sky sports news earlier, and there was an official statement read out, and it appears, that salman butt and Moahammed Asif have been charged with another 2 charges which they both deny.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 26 Oct 2011, 10:44 pm

I think this whole thing runs a heck of a lot deeper than we could ever have envisaged.

It'll be interesting to see the outcome, and who exactly it implicates.

by Guest Thu 27 Oct 2011, 9:19 am

Fists of Fury wrote:I think this whole thing runs a heck of a lot deeper than we could ever have envisaged.

It'll be interesting to see the outcome, and who exactly it implicates.

i have been following the trial closely, and there's a lot to come out of it, if and when its revealed.

by Guest Thu 27 Oct 2011, 11:52 am

They are certainly not missing Amir. Junaid Khan looks to be a very good bowler.

by Guest Thu 27 Oct 2011, 7:55 pm

The jury, are back at 10am tomorrow morning to give their verdict apparently.

by Guest Fri 28 Oct 2011, 5:02 pm

Jury have been sent home, apparently to come back on Monday, they still cant reach a result!

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 12:03 pm

BBC news has confirmed that Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif have been found guilty.

Salman Butt has been found guilty of conspiring to cheat, and to accept payments

Mohammed Asif has been found guilty of conspiring to cheat

the judge has said its a sad day that these two have been found guilty and bringing the game of cricket into disrepute

by **Kenny** Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:11 pm

Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif found Guilty of their part in spot fixing scam . Sentence to follow .

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:11 pm

i have already said about this on the spot fixing trial thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:12 pm

KingKenny7Heaven wrote:Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif found Guilty of their part in spot fixing scam . Sentence to follow .

Merging this with the existing thread

by **Fists of Fury** Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:12 pm

Not a great surprise, be interesting to see what the sentences are.

Any news on Amir?

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:13 pm

amir didnt contest his earlier punishment and wasnt at this trial. The other two had contested the punishments they had been given.

by Hoggy_Bear Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:17 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:amir didnt contest his earlier punishment and wasnt at this trial. The other two had contested the punishments they had been given.

Has Amir pleaded guilty and been sentenced by the courts then?

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:19 pm

From memory he wasn't charged as he was regarded as less culpable and lead by the other 2?

He certainly got a lighter ban from the ICC for that reason.

by **Kenny** Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:19 pm

Sorry didn't see the thread , they shouldn't be allowed to make money out of cricket again should be banned for life .

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:30 pm

i hope when the sentecing comes out, that they are banned for life. I hate cheats, and i hate match fixers, and these players have put cricket in the headlines for all the wrong reasons!

by liverbnz Tue 01 Nov 2011, 2:53 pm

Good to see. They have done so much damage to cricket to Pakistan and seem to have no remorse for it.

As for Amir, there were no criminal charges brought against him. His punishment from the ICC is a separate issue.

by liverbnz Tue 01 Nov 2011, 3:00 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:i hope when the sentecing comes out, that they are banned for life. I hate cheats, and i hate match fixers, and these players have put cricket in the headlines for all the wrong reasons!

This is the criminal case - a separate issue from the sporting one. They have already been punished by the ICC no?

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 5:40 pm

liverbnz wrote:Good to see. They have done so much damage to cricket to Pakistan and seem to have no remorse for it.

As for Amir, there were no criminal charges brought against him. His punishment from the ICC is a separate issue.

are you sure thats right about amir ?

afaik he was charged with the same offences but pleaded guilty so did not go to trial and i assume he will be sentenced seperately as a result

by GG Tue 01 Nov 2011, 5:51 pm

Amir and Majeed pleaded guilty, hence why they weren't part of the trial.

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:47 pm

Seven years prison sounds scary. One thing is sure that these are not the only three involved in all this. Now they know that they will get sentenced, wouldn't it open the pandora box and like the OP said that there were other three names discussed. We don't know how much are we able to see of this whole episode.

Another thing which I didn't understand was if Butt and Asif were gulity then why did they take chance of going through not guilty route.

This whole thing is definitely not what it seems to be. Also if Azharrudin was never sentenced to prison for losing matches then seven years for spot fixing will be too harsh.

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:48 pm

times have changed, the trials in different countres, there's a lot more to it, then what apeears on the surfce!

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:50 pm

Why the heck they came back for trial anyway?
They could have stayed in Pakistan and avoided this whole thing.

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:51 pm

they had to.

its not just cricket anymore. Its corruption, therefore it invovles the criminal jusctice system all over the world.

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:57 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:they had to.

its not just cricket anymore. Its corruption, therefore it invovles the criminal jusctice system all over the world.

thats complete nonsense

they were being accused of a crime in the UK , they could have stayed in pakistan if they wanted to, not sure what the extradition arrangments are tbh

they only reason they could have had is they expected not to be found guilty and if that had happened they would have had serious grounds for going to CAS to get the ICC decision on their suspensions overturned

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 7:59 pm

either way, its not just about cricket anymore, as has been said. Its formal corruption charges, and they will most likely be sentenced to prison sentences.

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:05 pm

of course its not about cricket , if it was only about cricket they wouldn't have been facing criminal charges ...

imo they took a huge risk by voluntary coming back to face this trial , they could have stayed in pakistan and let the UK seek extradition but that would definitely meant an end to their cricket careers

if they had been found not guilty, which is obviously what they were hoping, they could have returned to the game at some point, that has now backfired on them tho and they are now probably going to end up in prison and no way back into cricket imo

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:12 pm

That's very much a certainity but I think that others involved should also be brought to the justice and not just these three.

by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:13 pm

its been a long trial, and its good to see that suitable punishments should be dished out

by anu_d Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:51 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:The final spot fixing trial got underway the other day, and the cases of amir asif and butt.

however another 3 names have been brought up today, and accused of spot fixing.. these players are.

Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal
Wahab Riaz.

a sham
spineless Pak board to allow their players to be tried in UK

by Gregers Tue 01 Nov 2011, 8:56 pm

I honestly thought they would get off, 7 years seems way too severe IMO

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:01 pm

anu_d wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:The final spot fixing trial got underway the other day, and the cases of amir asif and butt.

however another 3 names have been brought up today, and accused of spot fixing.. these players are.

Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal
Wahab Riaz.

a sham
spineless Pak board to allow their players to be tried in UK

the fixing took place in UK so this makes sense and they were involved as well. i think board knew that anyway. they want to make out an example of these guys.
It would have been very difficult for these guys to not to atend the hearing as UK and Pak have extardition treaties and UK govt could have pressurised the Pak govt on that issue as well.

I read somewhere that Majeed said that Afridi was useless as he never took the money to fix matches (on sting camera). It is a well known fact that Butt never saw eye to eye with Afridi. There are not too many well wishers of Afridi in the board and that is the reason he has taken so many retirements till date.

There are lots of dodgy things going around in Pak cricket like random retirements, random award of captaincies, random sacking of players, random absconding of players etc.

by Djoker is in Nadal's head Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:28 pm

They were guilty from the beginning thats why ICC baned them and gave them suspension. Imran too said in one interview that these three are gulity because if they were not then NOW would have been shut down (which they did anyway).

To sum up this verdict was inevitable.

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:47 pm

Djoker is in Nadal's head wrote:They were guilty from the beginning thats why ICC baned them and gave them suspension. Imran too said in one interview that these three are gulity because if they were not then NOW would have been shut down (which they did anyway).

To sum up this verdict was inevitable.

not really

there are significant differences between what constitutes a breach of the ICC code of conduct to what constitutes breaking national laws

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:50 pm

rich1uk wrote:
Djoker is in Nadal's head wrote:They were guilty from the beginning thats why ICC baned them and gave them suspension. Imran too said in one interview that these three are gulity because if they were not then NOW would have been shut down (which they did anyway).

To sum up this verdict was inevitable.

not really

there are significant differences between what constitutes a breach of the ICC code of conduct to what constitutes breaking national laws

like what?

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:52 pm

wow wrote:
rich1uk wrote:
Djoker is in Nadal's head wrote:They were guilty from the beginning thats why ICC baned them and gave them suspension. Imran too said in one interview that these three are gulity because if they were not then NOW would have been shut down (which they did anyway).

To sum up this verdict was inevitable.

not really

there are significant differences between what constitutes a breach of the ICC code of conduct to what constitutes breaking national laws

like what?

you can be in breach of the ICC code of conduct without breaking any laws

try reading it maybe

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 9:56 pm

rich1uk wrote:[
you can be in breach of the ICC code of conduct without breaking any laws

try reading it maybe

I agree on what u say but the point is why did icc ban these guys?
on the same pretext, isn't it.

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:02 pm

the ICC banned them because they were found to be in breach of the ICC code of conduct which has nothing to do with whether they did anything illegal or not under UK law

if they had been found not guilty in the criminal action then that might have given them some grounds to appeal against the ICC's ban at CAS but there would be no guarantee even that would have been successful

by wow Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:05 pm

rich1uk wrote:the ICC banned them because they were found to be in breach of the ICC code of conduct which has nothing to do with whether they did anything illegal or not under UK law

if they had been found not guilty in the criminal action then that might have given them some grounds to appeal against the ICC's ban at CAS but there would be no guarantee even that would have been successful

ICC banned them because they were found guilty of spot fixing or fixing in cricket. And if I am not wrog then same charges with 4 different names have been labelled against these three players.

by skyeman Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:10 pm

I am sorry if you disagree, but i find it incredible that with so, so much evidence against the accused, that some members of the jury were not in favour of finding both guilty (what does it take). These two should never ever be allowed to play professional cricket again. Some retired cricketers say they are not paid enough, (utter tosh). As Butt as said himself, he got £110.00 per day expenses, £1000.00 per match, win bonuses, endorsements and much more besides. To the average Pakistani, i am sure these amounts would seem like fortunes. They are a disgrace not only to there country, but to cricket and there families. Even with the guilty verdict, i think there will be no prison sentence, but the the stain on their characters will now be indelible. A warning too all.!!

by rich1uk Tue 01 Nov 2011, 10:10 pm

so what

if you read the relevant sections of the ICC code of conduct they could still be found guilty of breaking that without breaking any national laws

i dont know how many times i have to say that

the standards of evidence are different as is what actions constitute a breach

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