New England ODI team

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With all the talk of changes in the ODI team, who would be in yours?

Personally I'd go with:

Cook(c)
Pietersen
Trott
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler/Bairstow(wk)
Patel/Stokes
Bresnan/Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

Only trouble is that that would entail Patel or Stokes having to bowl 10 overs unless Trott or KP chipped in. Might be a problem.

So what if Strauss hadn't managed as many as others.

He's captain to the number one test side in the world, so thoughts of dropping him are pointless.

Buttler was only in the t20 squad for the short tour of india, IMO hie should have been in the odi squad as well. He had been india long beforehand playing the clt20, knew the conditions, and IMO, he would have done very well out there.

i been a fan of buttler for quite awhile now, hes got something special about him i think

the way he handled himself in the cb40 final for a guy who is sometimes seen as a lower order slogger was very impressive, especially on that stage

Buttler is class, and he isnt a slogger, he plays good cricket shots, and inventive ones as well lol.

Cook (c)
Hales
Bell
KP
Morgan
Patel
Buttler/Bairstow (wk)
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

for me that team is no brainer... if i was England captain/coach/selector that is the team i would play. If you HAD to play Trott i would swap with Bell. BUT... i would insist Trott had to bowl his dibbery dobblers for a couple of overs. that would increase ODI value without a doubt.
although i am massive fan of mr Bell. Not many people would disagree he is our BEST batsman (technique and form wise)!? so why cant we find him a place in our ODI side!
Ive always been a big fan of KP and his ability to demolish bowling sides, but im starting to contemplate him not being in our ODI side... but he needs a v poor series against Pakistan for that to actually come to fruition.

just looking at Buttlers List A stats hes got an average of 71 and a SR of 142! incredible stats... they are slightly exaggerated as hes been not out 12 times but still. hes scored over 850 runs off 600 balls and averages around four 4's and one 6 per his innings. We're very lucky if Kieswetter does that!
for me Buttler is an undeniable talent, such composure and crisp hitting for a young Englishmen (and not SA born) he should have a go at the expense of Kieswetter and see how he gets on at international level. it would not surprise me at all if he took to it really well.

Finn appears to be cementing his place in the side. He was one of the few posititives, to come out of that your, and he bowled, quickly, aggresively, and constantly took wickets.

Even as a fan of Bell I can't see why anyone would put him in the team instead of Trott at the moment.
Trott scores more runs, faster. Why would you bring someone who scores less, slower, into the team in his place?

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Even as a fan of Bell I can't see why anyone would put him in the team instead of Trott at the moment.
Trott scores more runs, faster. Why would you bring someone who scores less, slower, into the team in his place?

coz bell looks prettier doing it

Because they love the chip shot straight to the fielder.

Looking at it from the selectors point of view, they must be pretty flipped off. Bairstow didnt work, dernbach didnt work, kieswetter didnt work, etc, seem to have gone backwards.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Because they love the chip shot straight to the fielder.

And KP's flamingo one legged hoik to midwicket to get out is okay?

we've had an awful odi series, lets just hope the t20 game goes better.

Gregers wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Because they love the chip shot straight to the fielder.

And KP's flamingo one legged hoik to midwicket to get out is okay?

He has a far better ODI record than Bell.

i thought the KP, bell issue would come up again lol

Kieswetter
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Bopara
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Finn

Even though I don't particularly rate Patel or Bopara we need them in the side as bowling options, you just can't play an ODI with only 5 potential bowlers as then they will all have to bowl 10. In the future hopefully Stokes can take the Bopara role and perhaps a batting spinner all rounder will come along who is an improvement on Samit but atm that is the best we have. Kieswetter for me is worth persisting with as he wasn't the problem in India, Cook and Trott will be solid if unspectacular (although they are nowehere near as slow as people make out). Big scores wiull rely heavily on Morgan and Pietersen but this is no different from India relying on Dhoni/Raina/Kholi for their big scores in this series.

The bolwing is a bit more tricky, Finn has to be involved after his great tour in India, Broad and Bresnan are generally solid and Swann picks himself. Anderson would have to come in for English matches or anywhere that will offer swing - not sure who for, would depend on current form I guess.

i just think that side is too reliant on morgan and KP, as you have mentioned, and tbh thats been a problem for awhile now and we need to try and fix that problem not continue with it.

if you forget names for a moment and look at structuring a team for a 50 over match you will usually play 4 specialist bowlers and 2 all-rounders to take account of the 5 sets of 10 overs needed. that leaves 5 spots. you obviously need a wicketkeeper so that leaves 4 spots. cook as captain gets a spot so we are down to three spots for specialist batsmen. atm you would have to say trott, KP and morgan get those three spots.

that basically means we end up with no room for guys like buttler and bairstow, given they cant bowl, unless they play as wicketkeeper. thats one of the reasons i think kieswetter should be ditched. his record opening is very ordinary to say the least, he does not look like someone who is going to make the type of inings that will win us matches on a regular basis or make us a better team going forward.

we better hope that swanny gets some form back soon as well, he had a poor odi series, and t20 game.

cricketfan90 wrote:we better hope that swanny gets some form back soon as well, he had a poor odi series, and t20 game.

Just one bad series.Not really surprising against India tbh.He will be back against Pakistan

rich1uk wrote:i just think that side is too reliant on morgan and KP, as you have mentioned, and tbh thats been a problem for awhile now and we need to try and fix that problem not continue with it.

if you forget names for a moment and look at structuring a team for a 50 over match you will usually play 4 specialist bowlers and 2 all-rounders to take account of the 5 sets of 10 overs needed. that leaves 5 spots. you obviously need a wicketkeeper so that leaves 4 spots. cook as captain gets a spot so we are down to three spots for specialist batsmen. atm you would have to say trott, KP and morgan get those three spots.

that basically means we end up with no room for guys like buttler and bairstow, given they cant bowl, unless they play as wicketkeeper. thats one of the reasons i think kieswetter should be ditched. his record opening is very ordinary to say the least, he does not look like someone who is going to make the type of inings that will win us matches on a regular basis or make us a better team going forward.

Yep this is kind of my thinking too, I would give CK one more go for now as like I said he wasn't out worst player by any means in India. Buttler or Davies for me would be next in line to replace him with the gloves as we need someone who is a top 6 batsman (Davies would open, Buttler would come in later with KP moving up). The real shame is that we don't have 1 or 2 all rounders who are good for 5 overs and also big hitters at the end of the innings. Stokes, I think, will become one but Bopara for me is the best we have atm, not for his big hitting obviously but his bowling is actually very very useful. Patel showed in one innings he can do a good job down the order and his bowling can be tidy.

The team just look like they want have a go at each other on any chance they get. Cook dosent seem to be inspiring the players, and if anything since he took over as captain, there has been a lot of tension in the field..

I don't know CF, I don't think there was anything wrong in England when we were winning, if anything there seemed to be a determination to win. I think some of the players didn't really want to be in India, it was a pointless tour purely to make money and then we played badly, got thumped and inevitably it led to a few bad moods in amongst the player, plus Swann's comments in his book couldn't have helped. Overall I'm not wirried, there are signs Cook's captaincy is improving and after a nice break now I'm confident our next ODI matches will be better.

we have issues with Kieswetter. He is always in stunnning form for somerset, and we spent ages gettinh him qualified for england, but has been a bitter letdown from the start. he has one hundred and that was against bangladesh. He averages 28, his keeping blows hot and cold, and in all honesty, since he came into the side, patel gets a lot of verbal abuse. Maybe time to go back to davies who did nothing wrong and scored runs when he was in the side. Or give buttler/bairstow the gloves.

Davies didn't eaxactly set the world alight when he came into the side. He probably deserved a longer run but he didn't demand selection. And what exactly has Bairstow done to demand extra responsibility in keeping wicket? He had a worse tour of India than Kieswetter.

its just options JD

IMO, davies should have never been dropped, and should still be in the side.

cricketfan90 wrote:we have issues with Kieswetter. He is always in stunnning form for somerset, and we spent ages gettinh him qualified for england, but has been a bitter letdown from the start. he has one hundred and that was against bangladesh. He averages 28, his keeping blows hot and cold, and in all honesty, since he came into the side, patel gets a lot of verbal abuse. Maybe time to go back to davies who did nothing wrong and scored runs when he was in the side. Or give buttler/bairstow the gloves.

FFS what are you trying to imply?

im saying that kieswetter has issues with Patel, and there is a lot of stuff going on the field which dosent need to.

every little thing that anyone does wrong kieswetter screams at them, yet on the whole, kieswetter had a shocking series in india

cricketfan90 wrote:im saying that kieswetter has issues with Patel, and there is a lot of stuff going on the field which dosent need to.

every little thing that anyone does wrong kieswetter screams at them, yet on the whole, kieswetter had a shocking series in india

you contradict yourself there

you say he screamed at anyone who makes a mistake but suggest he has issues with patel only

his behaviour behind the stumps was at times OTT but you are implying more than that

im not implying anything more than what i have said...

i just feel that kieswetter has had his chance and has blown it. He had the whole english summer plus this tour, so thats a run of 14 games and hasnt made an impact with the bat, and his keeping has been blowing hot and cold.

I don't get this hating on Kieswetter. Name one other keeper who has stood up to be selected ahead of him.

Bairstow had his chance in India and he performed much worse than Kieswetter, so he shouldn't get the gloves.

Davies shouldn't have been dropped when he was, but he is only averaging two more runs more than Craig in ODI's so why should he come in for him? If he deserved a longer run then Kieswetter does.

Buttler should maybe get a go, but I'd like to see him play as a bastman first and see how he goes before giving him the pressure of the gloves aswell.

Cook
Bell
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

My two-pennerth

Bell (capt.)
Pietersen
Trott
Taylor
Morgan
Kieswetter/Bairstow/Buttler
Stokes/Patel
Bresnen
Broad
Swann
Finn

Squad players:

Hales
Woakes
Stokes/Patel
Rashid
Dernbach

Why not leave Cook and Anderson to concentrate on test cricket, where they really excel?