How would big Frank have faired on the current scene?

by Michaels, Sean Wed 09 Nov 2011, 10:24 am

First topic message reminder :

In his own words, 'there were a fair few cups of tea around in my day'.

He only ever lost to World Champions or future World chapions in an era that was significantly tougher than the current one. Furthermore he arguably ran out of gas against Smith and Witherspoon when both matches were his to throw away.

How does he fair against the likes of the K's and Haye? In my eyes his achievements prior to beating McCall were greater than becoming World champion. I feel he would be in the top 5 current heavies with a shout at being undisputed number 1.

by **HumanWindmill** Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:24 pm

Ironmiketyson1984 wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Ironmiketyson1984 wrote:He would do ok but would lose to khan - khan would be to quick, lighting combo's and take a UD decision

Bruno would beat manny thou

Well, it seems you've found your level, and we all know what we're dealing with.

Life is about opinions - forums are about opinions and discussions - sorry not everyone agrees with your point of view fella

Well, fella, if your opinion is that Bruno should fight Khan or Manny it's an opinion beneath the standards of this forum. We are boxing fans here, you see.

Fella.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:25 pm

Windy I saw his agenda last night...

He's another d4..

by Steffan Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:26 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Windy I saw his agenda last night...

He's another d4..

Least its someone new for you to argue with though Truss Wink

by 6oldenbhoy Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:28 pm

Ironmiketyson1984 wrote:He would do ok but would lose to khan - khan would be to quick, lighting combo's and take a UD decision

Bruno would beat manny thou

I wish he had fought Khan, I would have streamed that chizzle.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:35 pm

Think he's part of the Khan set up...certainly trying to promote him at every given opportunity..

Wearing thin already..

by Jukebox Timebomb Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:54 pm

alma wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
In all honestly Herbie Hide was a better HW than Bruno.

Really?!!

Yeah not sure Frank would have gone down 9 times against Riddick Bowe

There is no way Frank would've gone 7 rounds with Bowe. I'd be surprised if he made it out of the dressing room.

by Jukebox Timebomb Fri 11 Nov 2011, 6:59 pm

Bruno flattened Coetzee, who was stopped only four times in his career, one of those being when he was about forty five years old. Coetzee had credentials at least as good as many Klitschko victims and there are a couple or three other names on Bruno's record that wouldn't look out of place on the Klitschko ledgers, either.

Enzo Maccarinelli was only stopped 4 times in his career. Every time Bruno stepped up to even fringe world class he lost. Every boxer has poor names on their records which is why it's better to focus on the good wins. Bruno has none.

by **HumanWindmill** Fri 11 Nov 2011, 7:02 pm

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
Bruno flattened Coetzee, who was stopped only four times in his career, one of those being when he was about forty five years old. Coetzee had credentials at least as good as many Klitschko victims and there are a couple or three other names on Bruno's record that wouldn't look out of place on the Klitschko ledgers, either.

Enzo Maccarinelli was only stopped 4 times in his career. Every time Bruno stepped up to even fringe world class he lost. Every boxer has poor names on their records which is why it's better to focus on the good wins. Bruno has none.

No, he didn't.

Lewis, Tyson, Witherspoon were not ' fringe ' level. Only Smith was. Bruno beat many ' fringe ' level fighters.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 11 Nov 2011, 7:04 pm

Mike Tyson "He was hitting me with such hurtful punches"

by Happytravelling Sat 12 Nov 2011, 1:13 am

Why are you boys bothering to dispute with the deluded minority who want to believe Bruno only KO'd bums...

Its the thing that always turns me off these sites. People so blinded by bias all they do is put together a farcical deconstruction of the careers of boxers they don't like. Everybody they fought was a bum. Even the world title holders they fought were lucky, on the slide, "past their prime" etc. A meticulous, extreme, assassination of every fight which basically just just highlights their petty prejudice rather than any real objective opinion.

People who don't want to accept the obvious, will never accept the obvious... These are the knobs who buy the next things debut fight tickets at a huge price and then write it was a farce if they KO their opposition in a round or they're an over hyped bum if they go the distance.

Bruno had a hell of a punch. It looked slow at times but invariably toppled lads who commonly were perceived to be durable fighters. You can look at boxrec and find all the fighters you'd never heard of etc. But just cos you never heard of them doesn't mean at the time they were bums.

Just accept it. If you don't think he had a decent punch. You're in a very small minority and its probably your prejudice speaking and not your brain.

by Atila Sat 12 Nov 2011, 3:32 am

Super D Boon wrote:A devastating punch for a fat clown like Chuck Gardener maybe, but not that devastating at the top level. Like we've discussed before about the hugely overrated Tyson "wobble", it was a wobble no more! Tyson was momentarily shaken but hardly in trouble given Tyson threw right back and pinned Bruno to the ropes straight away. Lewis (not great for his chin), Witherspoon, Smith all withstood Bruno's best work and were probably losing at the time they stopped Bruno. McCall took some hefty knocks against Bruno but still stood the full twelve, I still can't see Bruno as being anything more than a decent puncher at the top level.

Like someone said Bruno never really beat any decent opponents, mainly journeymen, fat lumps like Gardener and way past it fellas like Coetze and Bugner. Just goes to show how dire it was back then. Apart from a drug addled and disinterested Oliver McCall, Bruno never beat anyone decent and looked good knocking out janitors and bus drivers.

The reason Bruno is lauded is because we British we seem to like our heavies a bit thick and stupid and Bruno certainly fit the bill nicely in that department and he was the only half decent heavy from the UK at the time. He was highly manipulative in selling his dopey and stupid persona and his ridiculously unfunny "know what I mean 'arry" routine and make tons of cash for it! How much did the champ Witherspoon get in relation to Bruno for their fight? Think Bruno landed a couple of mils where poor Tim got peanuts!

Anyway, he wasn't that good all things considered.

I pretty much agree with this post.

I would add that Bruno seemed to throw punches by number, as though he only could remember certain combinations. Everytime he went a few rounds he seemed to run out of ideas and start to gas.

Regarding Bruno's punching power, there are two types of punchers. There is the type of puncher who with good timing and good speed can catch an opponent unaware and force a stoppage, and there's the type who with sheer force can hurt their opponent if the opponent isn't fast enough to avoid the blow. Bruno was the second kind of puncher.

by Michaels, Sean Sat 12 Nov 2011, 8:27 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Think he's part of the Khan set up...certainly trying to promote him at every given opportunity..

Wearing thin already..

Plenty of time on his hands now they shut the MAC down.

by Jukebox Timebomb Sat 12 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
Bruno flattened Coetzee, who was stopped only four times in his career, one of those being when he was about forty five years old. Coetzee had credentials at least as good as many Klitschko victims and there are a couple or three other names on Bruno's record that wouldn't look out of place on the Klitschko ledgers, either.

Enzo Maccarinelli was only stopped 4 times in his career. Every time Bruno stepped up to even fringe world class he lost. Every boxer has poor names on their records which is why it's better to focus on the good wins. Bruno has none.

No, he didn't.

Lewis, Tyson, Witherspoon were not ' fringe ' level. Only Smith was. Bruno beat many ' fringe ' level fighters.

Well tell me all about Bruno's great wins.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 4:30 pm

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
Bruno flattened Coetzee, who was stopped only four times in his career, one of those being when he was about forty five years old. Coetzee had credentials at least as good as many Klitschko victims and there are a couple or three other names on Bruno's record that wouldn't look out of place on the Klitschko ledgers, either.

Enzo Maccarinelli was only stopped 4 times in his career. Every time Bruno stepped up to even fringe world class he lost. Every boxer has poor names on their records which is why it's better to focus on the good wins. Bruno has none.

No, he didn't.

Lewis, Tyson, Witherspoon were not ' fringe ' level. Only Smith was. Bruno beat many ' fringe ' level fighters.

Well tell me all about Bruno's great wins.

Having already proven you wrong, I don't need to. Besides, I didn't claim ' great ' wins. I merely responded to your entry level mistake in saying he didn't beat any fringe contenders.

He did - and you can look them up for yourself.

by Jukebox Timebomb Sat 12 Nov 2011, 4:35 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:
Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Jukebox Timebomb wrote:
Bruno flattened Coetzee, who was stopped only four times in his career, one of those being when he was about forty five years old. Coetzee had credentials at least as good as many Klitschko victims and there are a couple or three other names on Bruno's record that wouldn't look out of place on the Klitschko ledgers, either.

Enzo Maccarinelli was only stopped 4 times in his career. Every time Bruno stepped up to even fringe world class he lost. Every boxer has poor names on their records which is why it's better to focus on the good wins. Bruno has none.

No, he didn't.

Lewis, Tyson, Witherspoon were not ' fringe ' level. Only Smith was. Bruno beat many ' fringe ' level fighters.

Well tell me all about Bruno's great wins.

Having already proven you wrong, I don't need to. Besides, I didn't claim ' great ' wins. I merely responded to your entry level mistake in saying he didn't beat any fringe contenders.

He did - and you can look them up for yourself.

Very helpful reply, thanks.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 4:44 pm

Proportional to the grace with which you ' requested ' the information.

You are welcome.

by Happytravelling Sun 13 Nov 2011, 1:07 am

Windy, don't bother... As I said, the thing that turned me off these sites was arguing with people with such entrenched bias they would construct the most extreme and blinkered argument and would totally deny any rationality.

Those that were around at the time remember how more or less every critic and impartial commentatory believe Frank to have one of the biggest punches in boxing. So, this post revisionist nonsense is exactly that.... nonsense...

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