BATH

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DEPTH CHART

1. Healy / Catt / Bristow
2. Strauss / Tolufua / Batty / Dunn
3. Franks / KPN / Tomascyzk
4. Muller / Hooper / Beaumont
5. Attwood / Eldsadt / Spencer
6. SOB / Fearns / Lund
7. Louw / Salvi / Mercer
8. Beattie / Kalamafoni / Skirving
9. Kerr-Barlow / Classens / Cook
10. Hook / Olding / Clegg
11. Ranger / Biggs
12. Steyn / Eastmond / Barkley / Williams
13. Bosch / Lualala / Daly / Mosses
14. Bowe  / Woodburn
15. Dagg / Goode / Catterick /Chisholm

6Ns
Catt - Strauss - Franks
Muller - Attwood
Louw - Kala - Salvi
Kerr-Barlow - Olding
Eastmond - Bosch
Biggs - Dagg - Ranger

4Ns
Healy - Tolufua - Tomascyuk
Muller - Attwood
SOB - Kala - Salvi
Classens - Hook
Eastmond - Lualala
Ranger - Daly - Bowe

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SENIOR SQUAD

Squad Size: 45/45
Hookers: 4
Props: 6 (2 LH, 3 TH)
Locks: 4
Back Row: 9
Half Backs: 6
Centres: 8
Back Three: 9

English Qualified: 24
Foreign: 21

Hookers
Adriaan Strauss [RSA]
Christopher Tolofua [FRA]
Ross Batty [ENG]
Tom Dunn [ENG] ACADEMY

Props
Cian Healy [IRE]
Nathan Catt* [ENG]
Tom Bristow [ENG]

Owen Franks* [NZL]
Kane Palmer Newport [ENG]
Oliver Tomascyzk [ENG]

Second Row
David Attwood* [ENG]
Johann Muller* [RSA]
Rynhardt Elstadt [RSA] (BS)
Stuart Hooper [ENG]

Back Row
Francois Louw* [RSA] (BS/OS/N8)
Julian Salvi [AUS] 
Guy Mercer [ENG]

Sean O'Brien [IRE] (BS/OS/N8)
Carl Fearns* [ENG] (BS/OS/N8)
Magnus Lund [ENG](BS/OS/N8)

Johnnie Beattie [SCO] (BS/N8)
Sione Kalamafoni [TON] (BS/N8)
Ben Skirving [ENG] (BS/N8)

Half Backs
Tawera Kerr - Barlow [NZL]
Michael Claassens* [RSA]
Chris Cook [ENG] - 16/4/91

James Hook [WAL] (FH/IC/OC/FB)
Stuart Olding [IRE] - 11/3/93 (FH/IC)
Rory Clegg [ENG]

Centres
Francois Steyn* [RSA] (IC/OC/FB/FH)
Kyle Eastmond* [ENG] (IC/OC/WG/FH)
Ollie Barkley [ENG] (IC/FH)
Ben Williams [ENG] (IC/OC)

Marcelo Bosch [ARG] (OC/IC/FB/FH)
Casey Laulala [NZL]
Eliot Daly [ENG] -8/10/92 (OC/FB/WG)
Ben Mosses [ENG]

Back Three
Tommy Bowe* [IRE] (WG/OC/FB)
Rene Ranger* [NZL] (WG/OC)
Tom Biggs [ENG]
Olly Woodburn [ENG] - 18/11/91

Israel Dagg* [NZL]
Alex Goode [ENG] (FB/FH)
Ross Chisholm [ENG]
Tom Catterick [ENG]
Rob Cook [ENG]

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THE ACADEMY

Squad Size: 20/20

HK - Max Anderson
PR - Tom Meatyard
LK - Will Spencer - 30/5/92
LK - Tom Ellis (England U18)
LK - Jamie Collins
LK - Josh Beaumont - 24/3/92
LK - Jake Oldaker - (England 18)
BR - Joe Buckle - 13/5/93
BR - Tom Baldwin - 28/9/92
BR - James Stephenson - 13/12/91
BR - Max Northcote-Green (England U18)
BR - Joe Ellyatt
N8 - Will Skuse - 14/2/92
N8 - James Tyas

SH - Matt Keyte - 5/4/91
SH - Will Clemensha - 4/9/92
FH - Ollie Devoto (England U20)
FH - Fred Gabbitas
WG - Richard Lane - 21/7/93
FB - Jamie-John Kilmartin - 21/1/93 (Scotland U20)

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INJURIES/SUSPENSIONS
Players are available in:
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BUDGET

Transfers/Loans In: (£-) Shaw - 0m, Phillips - 0m, Franks - 25m, Steyn - 23m, Laulala - 0m, Dagg - 22m, Golding, Muller, Lund, Clegg, Catterick, Beaumont - p/x, Chisholm - 2.5m, O'Brien - 23m, Cook 1.5m, Healy - 22m, Tolofua - £10m, Hook - 23m, Daly - 12m (plus 2m if EPS), Tomascyzk - 2m, Kalamafoni - 1.5m, Bowe - 24m, FVDMerwe - 7m, Salvi - 12m, Elstadt - 19m, Varndell - p/ex, Goode - p/ex, Ranger - 21m, Kerr-Barlow - 19m, Olding - 10m, Beattie - 20.5m, Bristow - 2m

Transfers/Loans Out:  Biller - 4m, Cuthbert - 8.5m, Scott Hobson - 1.5m, Bell - 2.5m, Roberts - 1.5m, Phillips - 5m, Beattie - 1.5m, Tanner - 1.5m, Lilley - 1.5m, Wilson, Shaw, Moody, Heathcote, Abendanon - p/x, Scott - 1.5m, Ovens - 1.5m, Beech - 1.5m, Flatman - 5m, Retirements - 8m, Moss - 0.5m, Donald - 2.5m, Taylor - 2.5m, Dixon, 1.5m, Vesty - 2.5m, Caldwell - 1.5m, Carraro - 1.5m, Mears - 8m, Banahan - p/ex, Varndell - p/ex, Hipkiss - 5m, Golding - 3m, Donald - 2.5m, McMillan - 1.5m

Budget Bonuses: £- 12m League, £10m TV Rights, £8m Sponsorship, £6m Cup

Current Budget: £3m

In regards to Sheri and Dickinson both are avaliable. But both are established internationals so would not come cheap.

I am interested in Barkley, mainly from you.

I'd do Kitchener + for Attwood if your after a lineout lock

I'll do Dickinson for Barkley.

Ahhh not going anywhere there then

Bathite wrote:If its Barkley I'm losing, it would need to be Seymour or Gaskell mate. Barkley a big loss to me.

Barkley + mercer
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Seymour and Gaskell?

Mercer is all potential, but not a first choice for Bath by a long stretch. Seymour is the form 7 in real life and Gaskell is the current Saxons captain. So i'd be losing out big time.

Bearing in mind Barkley is getting on and not rated that highly on here.

Maybe something like

Dickinson and Schofield
for
Attwood and one of Laulala, Hipkiss or Carraro

Seymour, Dickinson and Amesbury
for
Mercer, Flatman and Abendanon

I'm sure i would!! - Miller is probably the on form full back in the AP right now. Or atleast right up there. I can't afford to get rid of him. Especially if i were losing the form 7 in the AP as well!!

The way i see it is

Seymour >> Mercer
Dickinson > Flatman - But Flatman EQ so not a lot in it.
Amesbury << Abendanon

How about

Seymour, Cueto, Dickinson and Amesbury
for
Mercer, Banahan, Flatman and Abendanon

Ok i'll have a think and get back to you tomorrow

agree Louw has been very good mate.
but think tom johnson and steffon armitage just had the edge. had moody had some form, would of been different,

interested to see how eastmond gets on.
moody back will help you alot.
exeter wont be bottom for long, pete has created a very strong pack.
gonna be very tight league i think, leicester look strongest but are beatable.

Sorry mate, prefer Mullan to Wilson , too much of a difference

I'm not doing any deals where I give away cash

Let me have a little look through my team

What for Franks or Attwood?

Bathite wrote:Day + PDJ + Strauss
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Hipkiss + Wilson + Bendy

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Yeah I guess so, but still going to be a huge player for me for the rest of the season. How about Hipkiss instead? You could do with an extra centre

Sorry mate wouldnt rate any of them an improvemnt on what I have to be honest. Only Abendanoon offers me something as cover fullback and even then id rate Strauss higher at hook then Bendy at FB

Golding + Hudson + Catterick
=
Wilson + Shaw + Bendy

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Sorry mate. But I couldn't lose Muller. Could drop one part if you want?

What about Heathcote?

Think we are going to struggle mate PDJ/Mujati are key players for me while im only after Abendanoon for back up

Golding + Hudson + Lund + Clegg
=
Wilson + Shaw + Moody + Heathcote

Enq?

Strauss and Day are available for the right offer but Clark I shall be holding on to

Id do them both for Steyn but dont see you wanting to let him go

Already stated Muller is NFS so move away from that notion.
If you swap Mercey for Golding. That practically is a gain for you.

Mills I'll listen to....wood's going nowhere!!

Catt?

Thanks for the offers mate but none of those significantly improve what I already have, which is what I am looking for.

Golding + Muller + Lund + Clegg + Catterick
=
Wilson + Shaw + Moody + Heathcote + Bendy

Enq

Going to take a big offer for him!!

major push to call them talents.

Short term I gain but long term I don't and I'm trying to build a team to survive now but with good future prospects

Thoughts about the move mate?

Catterick or Fielden, you're already getting Muller off me!

I can't do J Hodgson, I'm afraid. Could chuck in something else if you want to sweeten the deal, but I think it is fair as it is currently.

If you want

Quite a few LH's there....what for Catt?

Perenise + Flatman 4 Ion + Corbs?

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No thanks mate. Not sure how you rate them, or how others rate them but I prefer both of mine.

No TH/LH from your squad bar Franks warrant losing Corbs.. sorry mate.

Hi mate

Seems as i have you next week i thought i'd give you a peek of my team

1.Kieron Brookes
2.Tom Lindsey
3.James Johnstone
4.Charlie Matthews
5.George Robson
6.Chris Robshaw (c)
7.Will Skinner
8.Nick Easter

9.Nic Berry
10.Danny Cipriani
11.Elliot Daly
12.Riki Flutey
13.Jared Payne
14.Andy Short
15.Adam Ashley-Cooper


Building a solid team at Bath , I'm trying to build for the future more than anything at the moment hence why i'm playing the likes of Charlie Matthews , Kieron Brookes , Elliot Daly , Andy Short and Matt Kvesic quite a lot lately with this season being a dud season till next year kicks off! Planning for the future ;-)

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:The best rotated teams in the league are Northampton Saints and Newcastle Falcons with just 2 players playing the maximum. The worst offenders are Exeter Chiefs and Sale Sharks with 9 players.

Should be noted that Chiefs, Worcester and Quins have missed a teamsheet this season but I personally dont see that as a reason to let fatigue go.

The key point in all this for me is that the Saracens pack must be absolutely knackered especially after 2 hard defeats in a row and they have the unbeaten Saints next


Bath Rugby
(4)

Owen Franks
David Attwood

Micheal Classens
Matt Carraro



Exeter Chiefs *
(9)

Perry Freshwater
Bismarck du Plessis
James Horwill
James Hanks
Ofisa Treviranus

Haydn Thomas
Sireli Naqelevuki
Gonzalo Camacho
Paul Sackey



Gloucester Rugby
(8)

Darren Dawdiuk
Alex Brown
Akapusi Qera
Luke Narraway

Dave Lewis
Patrick Lambie
Eliota Fuimanono-Sapolu
James Simpson-Daniels



Harlequins *
(6)

Joe Grey
James Johnston
George Robson
Nick Easter

Danny Care
Nick Evans



Leicester Tigers
(6)

Louis Deacon
Thomas Waldrom

Toby Flood
James O’Connor
Geordan Murphy
Manu Tuilagi



London Irish
(6)

Clarke Dermody
Paulică Ion
David Pocock

Shontayne Hape
Topsy Ojo
Delon Armitage



London Wasps
(6)

Tim Payne
George Chuter
Marco Wentzel
Julien Salvi

Tom Varndell
Jonathan Joseph



Newcastle Falcons
(2)

James Hudson

Tom May



Northampton Saints
(2)

Tom Wood

James Downey


Sale Sharks
(9)

Davit Kubriashvili
Dean Schofield
James Gaskell
Richie Vernon

Dwayne Peel
Johnny Wilkinson
Tom Brady
Sam Tuitipou
Jaque Fourie



Saracens
(7)

Schalk Brits
Carlos Nieto
Steve Borthwick
Jacques Burger
Ernst Joubert

Alex Goode
Andy Short



Worcester Warriors *
(5)

Tevita Taumoepeau
James Percival

Will Genia
Luke Rooney
Marcel Garvey

I'v put Short in his spot in the acadamy and deleted him!

Hodgson + Fearn + Helleur
=
Claasens + Flatman + Carraro

Enq

Quite a few LH's there.....Catt?

He's potentially a good prop, I wouldn't go OTT tbh, what you looking at?

It's because you gave me this comment:

"I rate Catt very highly, going to be a big talent."

I know who he is and hardly knocked him, he's a decent prop.

"Slater, Kitchener, 36, Benjamin"

All of those players are around or have been recentley around the Saxons so I rate them a fair bit higher then Catt tbh. Unless something else was coming my way I couldn't entertain any of those fella.

I did think that after posting.

I only wanted a backup LH so losing any of those wouldn't make sense for me, no probs.

I wanted the chance to rest some players, but also bed others in. So there will be some quality. But not my strongest side. What are you thinking?

Struggling.. Franks available at all?

Alright mate, I'm the new Sarries manager. What for Louw?

be a reasonably strong team but will look to rest some first teamers that played this week

garvey, JJ I will probably rest for my next league game.

You're just about to buy Sky?

You need a sky dish for the Pooly system

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